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My 13 year old just got back from Church camp. When I asked her what she learned, she told me how God sent his only son to die for us and how cool she thought that was. I was very happy for her :-)

That led to a discussion about whether or not Jesus was God's son or God incarnate. She believes that he was God's son. I say he was supposed to be both. Then we talked about if Jesus actually rose from the dead after three days. She believes that while Jesus died on the cross he didn't come back to life. Instead God resurrected his spirit and his body was too special to rot so it was preserved.

Is she right? Did I learn all the wrong things in Sunday school?

by on Feb. 7, 2013 at 2:43 PM
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EireLass
by Ruby Member on Feb. 7, 2013 at 8:38 PM

I homeschooled my kids, so whenever they had a question about something, we found books about it (this was before internet). So it took a trip to the library, or looking through our encyclopedias, etc. It was a good way to teach them how to research and learn different things.

Quoting paganbaby:

Now there's a thought! I'll ask her if she remembers which passage it is.

Quoting EireLass:

It would make a special moment for you to sit with her and have her show you which parts of the Bible they read, etc. Then you'd both be on the same page.


FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Feb. 7, 2013 at 8:41 PM


Quoting chcon:

The tomb was empty, he was resurrected. Later when he showed himself to his disciples, one of them just had to see the holes in his hands and touch them (Thomas) before he would believe - which Jesus did. She may be misunderstanding it or the instructor did not make it clear.

This is what I believe.  

There are many who interpret differently.  Take what your daughter believes and go from there.  

The idea mentioned earlier, about sitting with her, letting you show her, where in the Bible, she has been taught, her feelings and what she believes to be.......is a wonderful idea.

FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Feb. 7, 2013 at 8:42 PM
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Quoting EireLass:

I homeschooled my kids, so whenever they had a question about something, we found books about it (this was before internet). So it took a trip to the library, or looking through our encyclopedias, etc. It was a good way to teach them how to research and learn different things.

Quoting paganbaby:

Now there's a thought! I'll ask her if she remembers which passage it is.

Quoting EireLass:

It would make a special moment for you to sit with her and have her show you which parts of the Bible they read, etc. Then you'd both be on the same page.


This is a wonderful suggestion.

While we do use the Internet, often, my daughter and I do this often, on many different school subjects and otherwise.

momtoscott
by Platinum Member on Feb. 7, 2013 at 8:46 PM

 There were big tussles over these questions in the early church.  Some Christians believed that Jesus was a separate entity from God and/or that his physical body was not resurrected.  Early church history is pretty interesting, and practically every line of the creeds Christians recite today reflects some kind of struggle.  There are actually specific heresies named after the interpretations you and your daughter are discussing, although I don't remember the exact names. 

stephs5isenough
by on Feb. 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM
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You are correct.  God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit are in fact all the same.  They are all in fact all God but they are God in three different forms.  It sounds very confusing but that is where faith comes in.    Jesus is in fact God and "YES,"  Jesus did rise from the dead after three days.

John 2:22

New King James Version (NKJV)

22 Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them;[a] and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.

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toomanypoodles
by Ruby Member on Feb. 7, 2013 at 9:20 PM
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 (Most) Christians believe in the Deity of Christ---that God took the form of a man, Jesus.  There are many, many scriptural reference that reveal that.  I will post them.

But I like to explain it to kids with this analogy:

What if you ran an ant colony, the keeper of ants.  What if you wanted to communicate to the ants?  What if they were walking into danger and you wanted to reach the ants so you could save them from what was coming?  You can't talk to an ant, they can't understand you.  BUT, if you became an ant yourself you could then go into the colony and warn them of what would happen, you could lead them to the way of their salvation.  So I believe that is sort of what God did...became a physical man so he could reach us and show us the way in which we should go.

I learned that story as a kid.  I believe it originated with Billy Graham.  :)

toomanypoodles
by Ruby Member on Feb. 7, 2013 at 9:23 PM
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Bible verses that show Jesus is Divine

by Matt Slick

Following are verses used to show that Jesus is God in flesh. The scriptures used here are from the New American Standard Bible.

  1. John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
    1. John 1:14 - "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."
  2. John 5:18 - "For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."
  3. John 8:24 - "I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins."
    1. Note: In the Greek, "He" is not there.
  4. John 8:58 - "Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.'"
    1. Exodus 3:14 - "And God said to Moses, 'I AM WHO I AM'; and He said, Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.'"
  5. John 10:30-33 - "I and the Father are one." 31 The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" 33 The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."
  6. John 20:28 - "Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
  7. Col. 2:9 - "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form."
  8. Phil. 2:5-8 - "Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
  9. Heb. 1:8 - "But of the Son He says, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom."
    1. Quoted from Psalm 45:6, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy kingdom."

Jesus is worshipped - Jesus said to worship God only, yet He receives worship.

  1. Matt. 4:10 - "Then Jesus said to him, 'Begone, Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only."'"
  2. Matt. 2:2 - "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east, and have come to worship Him."
  3. Matt. 2:11 - "And they came into the house and saw the Child with Mary His mother; and they fell down and worshiped Him; and opening their treasures they presented to Him gifts of gold and frankincense and myrrh."
  4. Matt. 14:33 - "And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God's Son!"
  5. Matt. 28:9 - "And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him."
  6. John 9:35-38 - "Jesus heard that they had put him out; and finding him, He said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" 36 He answered and said, "And who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?" 37 Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him, and He is the one who is talking with you." 38 And he said, "Lord, I believe." And he worshiped Him."
  7. Heb. 1:6 - "And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, 'And let all the angels of God worship Him.'"

Jesus is prayed to

  1. Acts 7:55-60 - "But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; 56 and he said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God." 57 But they cried out with a loud voice, and covered their ears, and they rushed upon him with one impulse. 58 And when they had driven him out of the city, they began stoning him, and the witnesses laid aside their robes at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59 And they went on stoning Stephen as he called upon the Lord and said, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!" 60 And falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them!" And having said this, he fell asleep."
  2. 1 Cor. 1:1-2 - "Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, 2 to the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours." (The phrase, "to call upon the name of the Lord" is a phrase used to designate prayer.)
    1. 1 Kings 18:24 - "Then you call on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of the Lord, and the God who answers by fire, He is God." And all the people answered and said, "That is a good idea."
    2. Zech. 13:9 - "And I will bring the third part through the fire, refine them as silver is refined, and test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, and I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are My people,' and they will say, ‘The Lord is my God.'"
  3. Rom. 10:13-14 - "for 'whoever will call upon the name of the Lord' will be saved." 14 How then shall they call upon Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him whom they have not heard?" (Paul is speaking of calling upon Jesus. (The phrase "Call upon the name of the Lord" is a quote from Joel 2:32)).
    1. Joel 2:32 - "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call." (LORD here is YHWH, the name of God as revealed in Exodus 3:14. Therefore, this quote, dealing with God Himself is attributed to Jesus.)

First and Last

  1. Isaiah 44:6 - "Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides Me."
    1. Rev. 1:17-18 - "Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, 18 and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades."
paganbaby
by Teflon Don on Feb. 7, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Thank you! That sound so much more understandable :-)

Quoting toomanypoodles:

 (Most) Christians believe in the Deity of Christ---that God took the form of a man, Jesus.  There are many, many scriptural reference that reveal that.  I will post them.

But I like to explain it to kids with this analogy:

What if you ran an ant colony, the keeper of ants.  What if you wanted to communicate to the ants?  What if they were walking into danger and you wanted to reach the ants so you could save them from what was coming?  You can't talk to an ant, they can't understand you.  BUT, if you became an ant yourself you could then go into the colony and warn them of what would happen, you could lead them to the way of their salvation.  So I believe that is sort of what God did...became a physical man so he could reach us and show us the way in which we should go.

I learned that story as a kid.  I believe it originated with Billy Graham.  :)


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paganbaby
by Teflon Don on Feb. 7, 2013 at 9:52 PM

Interesting!

Quoting momtoscott:

 There were big tussles over these questions in the early church.  Some Christians believed that Jesus was a separate entity from God and/or that his physical body was not resurrected.  Early church history is pretty interesting, and practically every line of the creeds Christians recite today reflects some kind of struggle.  There are actually specific heresies named after the interpretations you and your daughter are discussing, although I don't remember the exact names. 


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paganbaby
by Teflon Don on Feb. 7, 2013 at 9:54 PM

I know but I'm trying to be supportive :-)

Quoting Pema_Jampa:

Or just stories and is why there are so many interpretations of it.


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