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Should cops be able to shoot random (Innocent) people? [Not Confirming who they shoot at]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-torrance-shooting-20130209,0,4414028.story

Dorner had a Grey Toyota Tundra. One of the vehicles they shot up was a Blue Toyota Tacoma.

And they didn't accidentally shot one bullet into this innocent civilians truck. I counted 46 (I might be off by one or two).



The second victim of Police shooting also the wrong color and model. And inside a skinny white guy.




And this isn't even the end. The Supsect is a tall (Near 6 feet), black, and 270 lbs.

They have shot at a truck with two Asian mexican ladies. And a truck with a white guy in it.

So unless two asian mexican ladies look like a black guy or a blue truck looks like a gray truck (Differen't model as well) something is clearly wrong here.

Someone made a joke that if you are a tall black man you need to stay inside for a few days. But since we have two asian mexican ladies and a white guy being shot at. It is pretty clear that if cops are around you are in danger (If you are in southern california at the moment).

Quote:

Two people were struck by gunfire and transported to an area hospital with unknown injuries, Chase said. No officers were injured.

The second incident, which involved Torrance police, occurred at Flagler Lane and Beryl Street about 5:45 a.m. No injuries were reported in that incident.

I agree this guy needs to be stopped. But is shooting 40+ bullets at every shadow that might be him really the best way to "catch" him?

An easy, "Please Come out with your hands up" Would have worked. Those people would have walked out of their vehicles and not been shot. Calling backup and following the vehicles would have worked as well.

Running the license plate numbers would show who they are as well.

This upsets me to no ends.


Normally there is a, "But if you look at it from this point it makes sense" Direction from the action Police perform.

But how do you shoot at the wrong truck 40+ times (That is the wrong color and model number) and they look nothing like the suspect. Or shoot at two asian mexican ladies, or a white guy when you are looking for a 6 foot, 270 lb, black guy?


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If they enforced bank regulations like they do park rules, we wouldn't be in this mess

by on Feb. 7, 2013 at 11:22 PM
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brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Feb. 8, 2013 at 9:25 AM



Quoting Whaaaaaa....O.o:

Quoting brookiecookie87:




She came at me because I said they went against procedure. I have stated numerous time they are not allowed to do what they did.
And I wasn't calling you a cronie. I was talking about a real life situation my family has been through.


My bad. You deleted the message you replied to so I wasn't aware of that. Sorry for what your family has gone through.

There are indeed great people in the Police Force, and it is always sad when something bad happens to a good person.


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If they enforced bank regulations like they do park rules, we wouldn't be in this mess

Whaaaaaa....O.o
by on Feb. 8, 2013 at 9:28 AM
Quoting brookiecookie87:




My phone cuts the tree. I haven't deleted anything. Nor do I ever. I own what I say.

I'm sorry if I come off combatant, but I live in a part of the country where officers have an extras large target on their backs. I drill my children daily on their full name, mommy and daddy's full names, where to go I the house if there is a break in. And I have set up my phone so that they only have to push 2 buttons to call 911 and my dh. As an Leo family we must be extra diligent.
AMBG825
by on Feb. 8, 2013 at 9:29 AM

 Surely you have a source other than yourself right? Can you post it please so us intelligent people can make an unbiased assessment?

 

I mean come on. Your last post on the police you claimed that attacking police officers with bottles, rocks and sticks was a "peaceful protest" and the officer should have stood there and been attacked. Not someone I'm going to be a credible source.

 

Just post a source. If it says EXACTLY what you are claiming ...that they randomly pulled over a vehicle and started shooting for absolutely no reason ....all for shits and grins. I will tell you that they were out of line and should be fired. I don't think it's an unreasonable request to ask you to (for once in your life) back up one of your paranoid claims.

Quoting brookiecookie87:


You are going to make lies up now? I don't hate everyone who puts on a uniform or badge.

I do hate Police Officers who will shoot 40+ Bullets into the back of a truck that is the wrong color, wrong model, and the suspect looks nothing like the people int he truck. I do hate that it can happen twice in one day.

I do hate that a Police Officer who reports excessive violence gets fired while the one who did the violence  keeps his job.

But no-I don't hate Police Officers that are out there doing the right thing.

You can continue to lie if it makes you feel better. But it is not the truth.

There you go with that Youtube News lie again. Please show me one of my post that is based on Youtube. or do you want me to post my last 10 post again and prove to you (Or well everyone else) that you are a liar?

Oh look more lies and attempts at discrediting. I am no anarchist. Just because I don't support corruption and blind servitude does not make me an anarchist.

Do you think that truck shot itself in the back 40+ times? Do you think the two asian ladies deliverying papers looked like a 6 foot tall 270 lb black man?

Quoting AMBG825:

 No need to be sorry.  There isn't enough information. There is no statement as to why it was actually pulled over and what led up to the events. Just your assessment and opinion of what happened. And quite honestly your opinion of events means nothing to anyone. The assessment of someone who has made it quite clear that they hate everyone who puts on a uniform and badge is not unbiased information. The opinion of someone who doesn't know police procedure or even what laws are is not a credible source of information. And quite frankly someone who can't count higher than 20 without the use of fingers and toes is not a credible source of information.

 

Now if you cite a source that says exactly what you're saying ....one that has both sides of the story (which btw wouldn't be YouTube news) then I'll agree with you that the cops were out of line. But the half baked opinion of an admitted anarchist is not enough information for intelligent people to draw conclusions on.

Quoting brookiecookie87:

 

Sorry not enough information? What would qualify Police shooting at a truck that is the wrong color and model?

The two asian ladies were shot at around 5:00 am while they were on a news paper route delivering papers. Is driving slowly now qualify people to be shot at?

Is having a truck now grounds for cops to shoot at you 40+ times?

Is it now okay for Polica to shoot  40+ times at someone before verifying if the person is who they are after? Before even seeing if the person they are shooting even LOOKS like the person they are after. Is it now okay to shoot 40+ times before even asking the person to surrender or give himself up?

Quoting AMBG825:

 Sorry. Not enough information. Do you have a news source that gives details on the incidents. Preferably not from YouTube.

 

 

 

 

 

 






 

kansasmom1978
by Bronze Member on Feb. 8, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Perhaps some other district should be hunting this guy and not the LAPD. Sounds like their emotions are too involved after two officers were shot. one of which died. 

PinkButterfly66
by Gold Member on Feb. 8, 2013 at 9:39 AM
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Repremanded.. they should be kicked off the force, blacklisted for ever from any police force or military, and tried for their crimes.

Quoting nickellmomof2:

First I want to say, I'm all for guns, all for catching this guy, all for the police...but that being said, this is beyond stupid!  I know several people in law enforcement (including family) and we are all outraged!  The cops who did this will be repremanded for this act.  There is no reason what-so-ever for this recklessness. Yes, they are stressed.  Yes, they are worried about their own safetly, I mean this guy is targeting cops and their families.  Yes, for them, this is personal.  But this makes no sense, the truck wasn't even the right color.  There were 2 women inside.  These cops will be lucky to keep their jobs.


AMBG825
by on Feb. 8, 2013 at 9:49 AM

 

Quoting Whaaaaaa....O.o:

Quoting brookiecookie87:




She came at me because I said they went against procedure. I have stated numerous time they are not allowed to do what they did.
And I wasn't calling you a cronie. I was talking about a real life situation my family has been through.

 But we don't know if they followed procedures or not. There are no details of the incident to make that determination. Just being little old ladies does not mean they didn't do something stupid to warrant the situation. As the wife of an LE officer, how many times have you heard of some little old lady getting pulled over and trying to run the cops down with her car? We had a "little old lady" aim a gun at a cop here recently because he pulled her over for speeding. So just being 2 asian ladies (and what being asian has to do with anything I don't know) in a car does really say anything at all.






 

brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Feb. 8, 2013 at 9:52 AM


Is all you are capable of now is lies? Why don't you provide a link to prove your claim?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html


Quote:

The women, shot in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue, were taken to area hospitals, Torrance police Lt. Devin Chase said. They were not identified. One was shot in the hand and the other in the back, according to Jesse Escochea, who captured video of the victims being treated.

It was not immediately known what newspapers the women were delivering. After the shooting, the blue pickup was riddled with bullet holes and what appeared to be newspapers lay in the street alongside.

http://us.cnn.com/2013/02/07/us/lapd-attacks/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Quote:

 

 

In Torrance, LAPD officers guarding one of Dorner's alleged targets mistakenly opened fire on a blue pickup truck that resembled one Dorner was thought to be driving, said Los Angeles police Chief Charlie Beck.

The gunfire left two people wounded, Beck said. Torrance police also fired on another blue pickup, but no one was injured in that incident, according to a senior law enforcement source.

Apparently resembled can mean, "It was a truck" since it was the wrong color and model, and the people driving looked nothing like the suspect.

Quoting AMBG825:

 Surely you have a source other than yourself right? Can you post it please so us intelligent people can make an unbiased assessment?

 

I mean come on. Your last post on the police you claimed that attacking police officers with bottles, rocks and sticks was a "peaceful protest" and the officer should have stood there and been attacked. Not someone I'm going to be a credible source.

 

Just post a source. If it says EXACTLY what you are claiming ...that they randomly pulled over a vehicle and started shooting for absolutely no reason ....all for shits and grins. I will tell you that they were out of line and should be fired. I don't think it's an unreasonable request to ask you to (for once in your life) back up one of your paranoid claims.

Quoting brookiecookie87:


You are going to make lies up now? I don't hate everyone who puts on a uniform or badge.

I do hate Police Officers who will shoot 40+ Bullets into the back of a truck that is the wrong color, wrong model, and the suspect looks nothing like the people int he truck. I do hate that it can happen twice in one day.

I do hate that a Police Officer who reports excessive violence gets fired while the one who did the violence  keeps his job.

But no-I don't hate Police Officers that are out there doing the right thing.

You can continue to lie if it makes you feel better. But it is not the truth.

There you go with that Youtube News lie again. Please show me one of my post that is based on Youtube. or do you want me to post my last 10 post again and prove to you (Or well everyone else) that you are a liar?

Oh look more lies and attempts at discrediting. I am no anarchist. Just because I don't support corruption and blind servitude does not make me an anarchist.

Do you think that truck shot itself in the back 40+ times? Do you think the two asian ladies deliverying papers looked like a 6 foot tall 270 lb black man?

Quoting AMBG825:

 No need to be sorry.  There isn't enough information. There is no statement as to why it was actually pulled over and what led up to the events. Just your assessment and opinion of what happened. And quite honestly your opinion of events means nothing to anyone. The assessment of someone who has made it quite clear that they hate everyone who puts on a uniform and badge is not unbiased information. The opinion of someone who doesn't know police procedure or even what laws are is not a credible source of information. And quite frankly someone who can't count higher than 20 without the use of fingers and toes is not a credible source of information.

 

Now if you cite a source that says exactly what you're saying ....one that has both sides of the story (which btw wouldn't be YouTube news) then I'll agree with you that the cops were out of line. But the half baked opinion of an admitted anarchist is not enough information for intelligent people to draw conclusions on.

Quoting brookiecookie87:


Sorry not enough information? What would qualify Police shooting at a truck that is the wrong color and model?

The two asian ladies were shot at around 5:00 am while they were on a news paper route delivering papers. Is driving slowly now qualify people to be shot at?

Is having a truck now grounds for cops to shoot at you 40+ times?

Is it now okay for Polica to shoot  40+ times at someone before verifying if the person is who they are after? Before even seeing if the person they are shooting even LOOKS like the person they are after. Is it now okay to shoot 40+ times before even asking the person to surrender or give himself up?

Quoting AMBG825:

 Sorry. Not enough information. Do you have a news source that gives details on the incidents. Preferably not from YouTube.



 



 



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If they enforced bank regulations like they do park rules, we wouldn't be in this mess

krysstizzle
by on Feb. 8, 2013 at 9:52 AM


Quoting AMBG825:

 

Quoting Whaaaaaa....O.o:

Quoting brookiecookie87:




She came at me because I said they went against procedure. I have stated numerous time they are not allowed to do what they did.
And I wasn't calling you a cronie. I was talking about a real life situation my family has been through.

 But we don't know if they followed procedures or not. There are no details of the incident to make that determination. Just being little old ladies does not mean they didn't do something stupid to warrant the situation. As the wife of an LE officer, how many times have you heard of some little old lady getting pulled over and trying to run the cops down with her car? We had a "little old lady" aim a gun at a cop here recently because he pulled her over for speeding. So just being 2 asian ladies (and what being asian has to do with anything I don't know) in a car does really say anything at all.

The LAPD statement said it was a tragic case of "mistaken identity". It seems if those people had done anything to warrant such a reaction, they would have jumped on it. 

brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Feb. 8, 2013 at 9:56 AM



Quoting AMBG825:

 

Quoting Whaaaaaa....O.o:

Quoting brookiecookie87:




She came at me because I said they went against procedure. I have stated numerous time they are not allowed to do what they did.
And I wasn't calling you a cronie. I was talking about a real life situation my family has been through.

 But we don't know if they followed procedures or not. There are no details of the incident to make that determination. Just being little old ladies does not mean they didn't do something stupid to warrant the situation. As the wife of an LE officer, how many times have you heard of some little old lady getting pulled over and trying to run the cops down with her car? We had a "little old lady" aim a gun at a cop here recently because he pulled her over for speeding. So just being 2 asian ladies (and what being asian has to do with anything I don't know) in a car does really say anything at all.

There are articles all over about it. Take your pick. Besides "matching" the description (Which they don't) neither truck drivers were doing anything (illegal or wrong).

If these ladies were trying to run the cops down why are there 40+ bullet holes in the back? If they held a gun to the cops why is every news source citing the Police saying they thought it was a, 'match'? and then rush the people to the hospital instead of claiming they were defending themselves and instead of arresting the ones that are 'okay', they let them go?


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If they enforced bank regulations like they do park rules, we wouldn't be in this mess

AMBG825
by on Feb. 8, 2013 at 10:00 AM

 it was not immediately known what newspapers they were delivering or what led up to the events.

 

Doesn't say what you're claiming.

Quoting brookiecookie87:

 

Is all you are capable of now is lies? Why don't you provide a link to prove your claim?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

 

Quote:

The women, shot in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue, were taken to area hospitals, Torrance police Lt. Devin Chase said. They were not identified. One was shot in the hand and the other in the back, according to Jesse Escochea, who captured video of the victims being treated.

It was not immediately known what newspapers the women were delivering. After the shooting, the blue pickup was riddled with bullet holes and what appeared to be newspapers lay in the street alongside.

 

http://us.cnn.com/2013/02/07/us/lapd-attacks/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Quote:

 

 

In Torrance, LAPD officers guarding one of Dorner's alleged targets mistakenly opened fire on a blue pickup truck that resembled one Dorner was thought to be driving, said Los Angeles police Chief Charlie Beck.

The gunfire left two people wounded, Beck said. Torrance police also fired on another blue pickup, but no one was injured in that incident, according to a senior law enforcement source.

Apparently resembled can mean, "It was a truck" since it was the wrong color and model, and the people driving looked nothing like the suspect.

 

Quoting AMBG825:

 Surely you have a source other than yourself right? Can you post it please so us intelligent people can make an unbiased assessment?

 

I mean come on. Your last post on the police you claimed that attacking police officers with bottles, rocks and sticks was a "peaceful protest" and the officer should have stood there and been attacked. Not someone I'm going to be a credible source.

 

Just post a source. If it says EXACTLY what you are claiming ...that they randomly pulled over a vehicle and started shooting for absolutely no reason ....all for shits and grins. I will tell you that they were out of line and should be fired. I don't think it's an unreasonable request to ask you to (for once in your life) back up one of your paranoid claims.

Quoting brookiecookie87:


You are going to make lies up now? I don't hate everyone who puts on a uniform or badge.

I do hate Police Officers who will shoot 40+ Bullets into the back of a truck that is the wrong color, wrong model, and the suspect looks nothing like the people int he truck. I do hate that it can happen twice in one day.

I do hate that a Police Officer who reports excessive violence gets fired while the one who did the violence  keeps his job.

But no-I don't hate Police Officers that are out there doing the right thing.

You can continue to lie if it makes you feel better. But it is not the truth.

There you go with that Youtube News lie again. Please show me one of my post that is based on Youtube. or do you want me to post my last 10 post again and prove to you (Or well everyone else) that you are a liar?

Oh look more lies and attempts at discrediting. I am no anarchist. Just because I don't support corruption and blind servitude does not make me an anarchist.

Do you think that truck shot itself in the back 40+ times? Do you think the two asian ladies deliverying papers looked like a 6 foot tall 270 lb black man?

Quoting AMBG825:

 No need to be sorry.  There isn't enough information. There is no statement as to why it was actually pulled over and what led up to the events. Just your assessment and opinion of what happened. And quite honestly your opinion of events means nothing to anyone. The assessment of someone who has made it quite clear that they hate everyone who puts on a uniform and badge is not unbiased information. The opinion of someone who doesn't know police procedure or even what laws are is not a credible source of information. And quite frankly someone who can't count higher than 20 without the use of fingers and toes is not a credible source of information.

 

Now if you cite a source that says exactly what you're saying ....one that has both sides of the story (which btw wouldn't be YouTube news) then I'll agree with you that the cops were out of line. But the half baked opinion of an admitted anarchist is not enough information for intelligent people to draw conclusions on.

Quoting brookiecookie87:

 

Sorry not enough information? What would qualify Police shooting at a truck that is the wrong color and model?

The two asian ladies were shot at around 5:00 am while they were on a news paper route delivering papers. Is driving slowly now qualify people to be shot at?

Is having a truck now grounds for cops to shoot at you 40+ times?

Is it now okay for Polica to shoot  40+ times at someone before verifying if the person is who they are after? Before even seeing if the person they are shooting even LOOKS like the person they are after. Is it now okay to shoot 40+ times before even asking the person to surrender or give himself up?

Quoting AMBG825:

 Sorry. Not enough information. Do you have a news source that gives details on the incidents. Preferably not from YouTube.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 






 

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