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Detailed time-line, background & updates about Christopher Dorner [Updated Monday 23:05]

Suspect: Christopher Dorner - Former LAPD officer and Naval lieutenant. Trained sniper, proficient in numerous tactics, firearms and police procedures. He has "declared war" on the LAPD and is a fugitive from justice as of 11:30PM this evening. Anonymous 24/7 Tip Line: 877-LAPD-247 or 1-800-222-TIPS

TIMELINE:

  • Sunday Feb. 3rd: Suspect wanted in connection with murder of two people in Irvine, CA. Woman was daughter of retired police Captain who reportedly represented the suspect in his termination hearing from the LAPD. The other victim was her fiance. Suspect was employed from 2005 to 2008 with the LAPD and was fired in early 2009 for "allegedly lying about actions of a fellow officer" he reported for excessive force.

  • Last few days: Suspect posted his 11,000 word manifesto [another version, some are edited] to Facebook. Suspect's "target" list seems to be centered around 12 [now 11] people though ~40 names were mentioned. Please respect these people and their names and don't post information if you find the uncensored version.

  • Tue/Wed: Spotted near San Diego at the Loma Lake base which was locked down and reopened. It has been confirmed he stayed at a hotel near the base on Tuesday, checking out Wednesday. Source - KCAL9 News

  • Wed. (10:00 PM): Suspect allegedly tied up an 81-year old man and attempted to steal his boat but was unable to operate it. Suspect's wallet and a detective badge were found nearby. State-wide alert goes out via California Highway Patrol. Source - ABC7 News

  • Thu. (~1:25 AM): Corona, CA - Citizen notified police that were protecting one of the suspect's targets of a truck that fit description. Upon following it, one officer was injured when the suspect fired at them grazing his forehead. They were not able to give chase. Source - KCAL9 News

  • Thu. (~1:45 AM): Riverside, CA - Just minutes later about 5 miles away, two officers sitting at a red light had the suspect walk up and open fire. One officer (trainer) is killed, the other (trainee) is injured but expected to recover. Source. - CBS.

  • Thu. (5:15AM): Torrance, CA - A patrol unit assigned to protect a different target misidentified the blue truck with the two women delivering newspapers. Reportedly the headlights were off and officers opened fire in rapid bursts, a brief pause and then more bursts (according to witnesses). No details known if they identified themselves first. Both women were hit, one twice in the back and one in the arm. Both are expected to recover. Source. - LA Times.

  • Thu. (5:20 AM): A few blocks from the first mistaken-identity shooting, police were responding to the shots fired call and came across another similar truck to the suspect's. There was a collision to the rear of the vehicle and police fired three shots (at least) into the windshield. The driver was luckily uninjured and not involved. Source. Source - LA Times

  • Thu. (1:41 PM): Big Bear, CA - A burned-out truck matching the description of a getaway vehicle owned by triple-murder suspect was found in the San Bernardino mountains. [edit: CONFIRMED to be his truck]. Source - KCAL9 News

  • Thu. (~4:00 PM): Large tactical operation going on in the San Bernardino Mountains north of LA (Big Bear) involving SWAT and other agencies as they scan the area. Agencies have now demanded air news teams not show the search locations, which two local news organizations called an "unusual request", despite the logic behind it. Source - KCAL9 News

  • Thu. 5:15PM: Suspect mailed a package to CNN's Anderson Cooper who confirmed via Twitter. The package contained a note, DVD and a coin that had been shot through with bullet holes in it. Source - LA Times.

  • Thu. 5:35 PM: Tracks found leading away from the burned out vehicle in Big Bear but no suspect has been found. Tracking dogs, air resources (with FLIR night vision) and ~125 Law Enforcement officers are in the area doing door to door searches. Source - press conference.

  • Thu. 5:40 PM: Suspect called himself a "top shot" Sharpshooter. The Navy has three levels of proficiency [edit: above the base qualification that is]. These are Marksman -> Sharpshooter -> Expert as the top level. Reportedly he's listed as a Marksman with rifles (lowest level) but he's listed as an Expert (highest level) with a 9mm pistol. Source - CNN's Anderson Cooper.

  • Thu. 5:55 PM: Suspect's recent history - Appeal to get his job back was denied in 2011, upholding original decision back in 2008 to fire him. In 2007, he had reported a fellow officer for excessive force on Mr. Christopher Gettler. In his statement, he said that "she stood up and kicked Gettler twice in the left clavicle. And then...kicked him on the left cheek, causing him to start bleeding". It was later reported Mr. Gettler was schizophrenic and that Dorner filed the complaint about his fellow officer two weeks later. His allegation was denied by the female officer, the claim was classified as "Unfounded", he was charged with "making false statements" and officially fired in early 2009. In December 2012, he defaulted on his home in Las Vegas and just days ago his Naval Reserve career was terminated [edit: honorable dischage]. Source - ABC7 News.

  • Thu. 6:00 PM: Suspect's home near Las Vegas is surrounded but empty. The search area is covering all of California and parts of Nevada at this point. Other areas heavily involved in California are Corona, Riverside, Irvine and Big Bear Lake. Big Bear ski resort and schools around the various incidents have been closed. Source - ABC7 Los Angeles.

  • Thu. 7:05 PM: West coast is in prime-time TV so not much news/info on the air, just non-sourced info from the scanners. News back on in a few hours, will update if new info.

  • Thu. 8:20 PM: FBI is finishing up at his Las Vegas home, FAA completely restricting airspace above search and the coin mailed to CNN's Anderson Cooper was a "Challenge Coin" given to him by his former boss LAPD Police Chief William Bratton.

  • Thu. 8:30 PM: Pictures of the items mailed to Anderson Cooper. The challenge coin and DVD.

  • Thu. 9:05 PM: Written on duct tape that the coin was wrapped in is "Thanks but no thanks Will Bratton" as well as "1 M.O.A." [edit: per user /u/November_Bravo "1 Minute of Angle, in shooting terms this means being accurate enough to shoot a ~1" group at 100 yards"]. The video is apparently of Mr. Getter's interview after the event. He is the schizophrenic man Dorner claimed was a victim of excessive force. Getter's testimony supposedly confirms Dorner's complaint to his superiors but nothing has been shown to the public to confirm this. Source - LA Times.

  • Thu. 9:15 PM: Press conference - ~400 homes expected to be checked this evening. No sightings or signs of him outside of the last tracks in Big bear in the snow/mud. No new tracks of a second vehicle near the original burned out vehicle. Schools and ski resort are opening back up, implying the area around Big Bear is relatively clear but search is ongoing in poor weather conditions. Aerial support is still flying, two SB County helicopters and one LA County chopper all of which with F.L.I.R. infrared/night vision technology. Source - KCAL9 News

  • Thu. 9:40 PM: KCAL9 reporting multiple news sources received letters/DVDs from the suspect. Only Anderson Cooper got the coin, reportedly. Also reports that some of Dorner's equipment, including police related items were found in a trash bin as early as Monday in San Diego. Source - KCAL9 News

  • Thu. 10:10 PM: Alleged excessive force victim Gettler's family interviewed, confirms suspect Dorner was standing up for their son (their words) but then pleaded with Dorner to turn himself in and stop hurting people. Also, the boat he tried to steal was unable to launch because a rope got caught in the propeller. The owner said the suspect mentioned "heading to Mexico". Source - KTTV Fox 11.

  • Thu. 10:30 PM: Online court documents reportedly show that the LAPD questioned Dorner's excessive force claims because of the timing of reporting it to his supervisor. Apparently he received an unsatisfactory performance review just before that, saying he'd have to "improve in order to move up in the department". Dorner had then filed a wrongful termination suit against the LAPD. Source - KTLA 5 News.

  • Thu. 11:05 PM: Dorner was honorably discharged from the reserves last Friday. Suspect was reportedly married for ~30 days back in 2007. LAPD has doubled up all patrols, no solo officers. Motorcycle cops have been put into cruisers for their protection. Various units at key strategic targets and the entire state is reportedly on tactical alert. Source - KNBC 4 News.

  • Overnight: Various hoaxes, false reports, etc. Car in San Diego and sighting in white Lexus appear to be bogus. Protection has been stepped up at most police stations and many federal buildings. A vehicle matching with Dorner's plates was found in San Diego but proved to be the vehicle he swapped license plates with before burning the truck later. Source - CBS.

  • Friday 9:00 AM: Weather hampering search efforts, Bear Valley schools did end up staying closed (despite earlier reports), ski resort is open. Press conference expected around 9:15AM.

  • Fri. 9:15 AM: Press conference in Big Bear - Houses in the area have been checked, they will continue searching the area "until he is found or proven to have left the mountain". LAPD, however, has called off their tactical alert despite increased patrols. Helicopters are grounded because of the heavy snow. Search is ground only, SWAT in SnowCats, APCs with chains on them, etc. Efforts have zeroed in on a wooded area about a mile away from Bear mountain. Original snow tracks from the burned out vehicle were followed as far as possible until they hit frozen ground and lost them. Source - SB County Sheriff John McMahon.

  • Fri. 9:25 AM: LAPD has changed from emergency calls only to normal service now that more re-enforcements have been called up (overtime, longer hours). Source - KTLA 5 News

  • Fri. 10:50 AM: L.A (Twin Towers) County Jail and street shut down after 'sighting.' [12:05 - false sighting, lockdown lifted - credit: /u/earlierson].Source - LA Times (credit: /u/popsquat and /u/aohus)

  • Fri. 11:00 AM: LAPD back on citywide tactical alert. Source - CBS/KCAL.

  • Fri. 12:15 PM: Press conference It was reported that according to LAPD, the suspects ex-wife works at the jail [edit: sergeant with sheriffs dept.] that was locked down earlier. Sheriff McMahon stated "There is a reasonable belief he has left the area." However, they will keep searching the area for clues. Source - KNX 1070 Radio.

  • Fri. 1:15 PM: Search underway at home of suspect's mother. Source - CBS.

  • Fri. 3:45 PM: Officials have released the last known images of the suspect, obtained from surveillance video at an Orange County hotel on January 28th. Source - CBS

  • Fri. 4:15 PM: Mother of the suspect owns property in the San Bernardino Mountains according to the local Sheriff's Department spokeswoman. Source - OC Weekly

  • Fri. 6:30 PM: Footage of suspect's firearms training video released. Source - CNN.

  • Fri. 7:00 PM: Search called off for the night because of extreme weather conditions. Police will remain in the area. Source - FOX 11 News

  • Fri. 7:20 PM: Truck that was dumped broke an axle on and was incapacitated, indicating he did not necessarily choose that as the dump site. According to latest reports, no weapons were found in it (ammo only). It's also been noted that his family used to own property up in those mountains. Source - John Miller interview on Anderson Cooper 360.

  • Fri. 7:45 PM: Several grocery bags of evidence were removed from the home of the suspect's mother. Neighbor claims suspect was “friendly” when she spoke to him last week as he was moving camouflage bags to his truck. Source - CBS

  • Fri. 8:35 PM: Video deposition of the man at the center of the excessive force claim filed by the suspect. (credit: /u/JeffBoucher)

  • Fri. 10:05 PM: The man questioning Mr. Gettler on the video is reportedly Randy Quan, father of the woman who was killed on Sunday. He is also mentioned throughout the suspect's statements. Source - MyFoxLA 11 (credit: /u/ImprobableCause)


Item Time/Date Event/Comments/Links
1 Sat. Feb. 9, 15:45 PST Timeline Part II continues here
2 Sat. Feb. 9, 17:00 PST Evidence is collected from a storage unit by police

3 Sat. Feb. 9, 17:10 PST Fake calls to the police reported as people pose as Dorner
 
4 Sat. Feb. 9, 22:40 PST LAPD reopens the case around Dorner's termination to "ensure that the public knows that the Los Angeles Police Department is fair and transparent."

5 Sun. Feb. 10, 7:11 PST A man claiming to be Christopher Dorner, the former LAPD police officer who is the subject of a massive manhunt in California after allegedly killing Monica Quan and two others, called Randall Quan, Monica's father, and told him that he "should have done a better job of protecting his daughter," according to court documents cited by ABC. Source

6 Sun. Feb 10, 08:52 PST Police will be offering reward for info leading to Dorner's capture. Source

7 Sun. Feb 10, 10:54 PST Dorner Manhunt Scares Skiers away from Big Bear Resorts - Source

8 Sun. Feb 10, 10:56 PST Updated info regarding Part III, Item 6, saying call was traced to Vancouver, Washington Source & local radio station KFI AM640
9 Sun. Feb 10, 11:03 PST JUST IN: Police evacuated an apartment in San Bernardino after a false report that #Dorner was seen there, according to Lt. Madden. Source Twitter of Keley Duckett, a Business and News reporter for the Long Beach Press Telegram

10 Sun. Feb 10, 11:06 PST The Bear Mtn command post is being dismantled. Sheriff's officials will be out of this area by 11 am. Source Twitter of crime and safety reporter for San Bernardino County
12 Sun Feb 10, 23:11 PST Anonymous Claims to have taken down LAPD website (almost don't think this belongs in the timeline, but for posterity sake) Source

13 Mon Feb 11, 10:50 PST Dorner called "a colleague" late Saturday afternoon. Detective suggests Dorner "[has] been buying pre-paid disposable cell phones. He'll use them once, turn them off and discard them and virtually at that stage there's no way to track his location.” Source

14 Mon Feb 11, 10:50 PST LAPD lifts tactical alert. Source
15 Mon Feb 11, 13:45 PST Dorner officially charged with "murdering a Riverside police officer and special circumstances that could bring the death penalty."Source
2 Mon. Feb. 11, 19:20 PST Dorner "could have fled to Mexico, according to documents filed in federal court."Source 1 Source 2
3 Mon. Feb. 11, 19:40 PST Police searched a hotel in Tijuana for Dorner, finding nothing. Source
4 Mon. Feb 11, 20:53 PST LAPD "Crippled" by Dorner Search, Limited in Response to Other Crimes Source
5 Mon. Feb 11, 23:05 PST LAPD using FBI and outside consultants to figure out how Dorner may be thinking as they appear to be confused by his actions. Over 800 tips called in about Dorner. LAPD escorting threatened officer and family on outings.Source

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viv212
by Gold Member on Feb. 8, 2013 at 7:41 PM
I wrote out a long reply and damn thing got deleted.

Is it wrong that I'm kind of rooting for him?

LAPD is one big gang. That's all it is.


Quoting brookiecookie87:


I noticed that. No idea. Maybe she thought she was the first to post it but saw it in a few other topics?


Quoting krysstizzle:

Btw, what the heck happened to that other post, about his deranged manifesto? It seems to have gone *poof*




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viv212
by Gold Member on Feb. 8, 2013 at 7:42 PM
I agree. It is sad. I'm rooting for the underdog but killing innocent people isn't something I root for.

Quoting mehamil1:

I would be rooting for this guy if he wasn't killing people. Especially the daughter and fiance of the woman who represented him. That is just God awful. She had nothing to do with what happened to him. This whole situation breaks my heart. 

The LAPD is reaping what it has sown. Fucking hell. 

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viv212
by Gold Member on Feb. 8, 2013 at 8:10 PM
You could not be serious.

Quoting 12hellokitty:


His manifesto is filled with liberals talking points specifically naming liberal talking heads.  You can spin it anyway you want but those are the facts.  And this is just one more example of many where the shooter has turned out to be a liberal crazy.  This one just happens to be so over the top in citing liberal talking head influences, it's going to be a tough job for liberals to cover up and deflect.  All though they have done a good job at covering up the Benghazi lies of the Obama administrations, so I don't put it past them.  It does present a problem for Hillary's 2016 run....


Quoting brookiecookie87:

You don't see a difference in conservative leaders saying things like, "If the Liberals do this I will fight like we did in the civil war!". And, "They are ruining our country and trying to destroy it!". And people believing that and attacking people based on it?

You don't see the difference between that and this? Where the guy says EXACTLY why he is doing this. No need to assume why-He says exactly why.

No liberal told him, "They are targeting you because you are a whistleblower. You should take up arms against them!". He got there on his own.

If you want to say, "See there is proof that liberal people can do crazy things too". Then, yes. People are people. People on both sides of the fence will do crazy things.

But that is completely different than the leaders of one of the sides constantly pushing fear and then someone taking it as true and acting out based on what the people are saying.



Quoting 12hellokitty:

Considering the manifesto is filled with influences from liberal media specifically naming several left wing talking heads.  The liberal media was is always so quick to try and find connections with right wing sources, many times promoting association with out any proof.  We saw it with the NY attempted car bomb, where elected officials along with liberal media blamed the Tea Party.  Then with the Giffords shooting liberal talking heads blamed Palin and other on the right, along with Obama giving a lecture on civility.  Then in the Aurora shooting we had the Tea Party blamed once again.  All of those incidents had the left wing talking heads con-people demonizingconservative republicans without reason, yet this tragedy has the blood of the liberals media all over it and they are silent.  Not surprising people are already trying to deflect blame from Dorner by setting up a false narrative.



Quoting krysstizzle:

Yeah, not at all :)

I've been reading this story from different sources this morning. The spin is disgusting, honestly. The big scary black man, hulking lunatic, rambling manifesto cop killer mad about being fired. 

It's beyond irritating. Looking throught the comments sections though, roughly 60 or 70% of the commenters share my sentiments. 

Dorner is wrong in his actions, irrefuteably. But ignoring the role the LAPD is playing in this is ridiculous and irresponsible. If any of the things Dorner says are true (and at least his whistleblowing seems to be true, based on the victims testimony), then the LAPD are at least as bad as what he's doing. 

Quoting brookiecookie87:


Oh man. I didn't follow the topic. Was the discussion not going the way she wanted?


Quoting krysstizzle:

That's quite generous of you. My thoughts weren't so kind. 

Regardless, I'm watching this case. I don't know what I hope for the outcome, aside from no one else getting hurt or killed. 

Quoting brookiecookie87:


I noticed that. No idea. Maybe she thought she was the first to post it but saw it in a few other topics?


Quoting krysstizzle:

Btw, what the heck happened to that other post, about his deranged manifesto? It seems to have gone *poof*


















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viv212
by Gold Member on Feb. 8, 2013 at 8:38 PM
I was writing about this when the last post got deleted.

Training Day movie is what really happens when officers are training. My BIL and cousin's husband were both employed by LAPD and left because of the corruption. You would not believe what the trainers had the new recruits do. My BIL tells this story of how he had to beat and tasered a homeless disabled man at the trainers command. And if he didn't, he would be the one to get beat. Or peed on, amongst other things.


Quoting mehamil1:

He reported an officer for going to far physically with a homeless man. For reporting the police brutality, he was fired. Though I'm sure much more happened. 

I am not just talking about this one instance though. The LAPD is notoriously corrupt. I am not saying anyone deserves what has happened to them, but this guy snapped as a result of the shit he has been through (and probably other stuff going on as well, this kind of nuts doesn't grow in a vacuum). Killing people as acts of revenge though? No, not right. I would be on this guys side if it wasn't for the fact that he's taking out innocent people. 


Quoting futureshock:
Quoting mehamil1:

I would be rooting for this guy if he wasn't killing people. Especially the daughter and fiance of the woman who represented him. That is just God awful. She had nothing to do with what happened to him. This whole situation breaks my heart. 

The LAPD is reaping what it has sown. Fucking hell. 

What happend to him? The LAPD is reaping what it has sown.

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JoshRachelsMAMA
by JRM on Feb. 8, 2013 at 8:45 PM

You can never truly get it out Krys, it's in the bones KWIM?

Quoting krysstizzle:

I agree. I also believe that the LAPD should be completely investigated, up one side and down the other and held responsible for any and all corruption/unethical behavior (dismantle it, prosecute the guilty, all of it) just as much as I believe Dorner should be prosecuted. 

Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

I as well. I can tell you from my professional experience, that it would not be surprising to me if the LAPD was in fact railroading and that's why he was fired. I've seen such things happen to officers that I knew in the NYPD.

While I commend his exposure of alleged corruption and cronyism in the LAPD, I for one, want him caught and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Nothing he did is an excuse for what happened to him. 

Quoting brookiecookie87:

Yeah-I believe there will be a huge push for the media to discredit him.

Because not only does he point out corruption, he names people, and cites examples of the lies/corruption.

And most of the examples are things people can actually check on and verify. And he even sent a Copy to Anerson Cooper with a message, "I never lied" on it. Seems silly to give examples that can be proved (Or disproved) to a Reporter if he is lying.



Quoting krysstizzle:

Yeah, not at all :)

I've been reading this story from different sources this morning. The spin is disgusting, honestly. The big scary black man, hulking lunatic, rambling manifesto cop killer mad about being fired. 

It's beyond irritating. Looking throught the comments sections though, roughly 60 or 70% of the commenters share my sentiments. 

Dorner is wrong in his actions, irrefuteably. But ignoring the role the LAPD is playing in this is ridiculous and irresponsible. If any of the things Dorner says are true (and at least his whistleblowing seems to be true, based on the victims testimony), then the LAPD are at least as bad as what he's doing. 

Quoting brookiecookie87:


Oh man. I didn't follow the topic. Was the discussion not going the way she wanted?

Quoting krysstizzle:

That's quite generous of you. My thoughts weren't so kind. 

Regardless, I'm watching this case. I don't know what I hope for the outcome, aside from no one else getting hurt or killed. 

Quoting brookiecookie87:


I noticed that. No idea. Maybe she thought she was the first to post it but saw it in a few other topics?

Quoting krysstizzle:

Btw, what the heck happened to that other post, about his deranged manifesto? It seems to have gone *poof*












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viv212
by Gold Member on Feb. 8, 2013 at 8:47 PM
No way. This guy knows he needs to die before ever getting taken in. Once LAPD gets ahold of him they will beat him ass with no mercy.

I think he knows he cannot expose the LAPD as a gang and all that they do, but he is getting heard.


Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

He needs to walk into a police building far away from Los Angeles UNARMED. Get arrested, prosecuted and convicted. He has piqued so much interest that he now has a platform to be heard and speak to the media sharks and the FBI. Perhaps this is the catalyst that brings change to the LAPD.



It's tragic that he felt he has to kill people to be heard.




Quoting FromAtoZ:

Thanks for taking the time to post this.

First thing I did when I woke up was turn on the news to see what has happened over night.  Not getting much up here.

My sister, who lives in central Cali called me.  She wanted to know where to find the manifesto.  It's every where.

The more I have read the more I truly pray no one else is injured or killed.  This man realizes he will not live through this and he seems to have accepted that.  I have no doubt any police officer that comes face to face with him, or otherwise, will shoot to kill and claim victory once having killed him.  

Some of the news coverage I have heard has, without a doubt, twisted and turned this in to a sensational movie like scenario.  This isn't a movie, this is real life.  This man's life, the corruption of the LAPD and the carnage left in the wake of this man's actions.  It is far more important and heart wrenching, disturbing and frightening than any of us can imagine.

I have no problem saying that there is a part of me who feels for this man.  To get to the point, in one's mind and life, where taking the actions he has becomes his reality is........hell, I can't even come up with the correct word.

His actions are not condoned, in any way at all.  I wish there had been some other way for him to handle all that has happened.  That he was stronger in mind to deal with things in a healthy and safe manner.

At this point, I do not feel this man has always been as crazed as he is.  

The LAPD will claim victory when this is done, when he is dead.  They will claim they vindicated their department and surrounding police departments.  Action will be taken to suppress all the evidence that may very well point to them.  Once again, the LAPD will reign supreme.  That is as frightening as the mind and actions of this man.

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by Bazinga! on Feb. 8, 2013 at 9:14 PM

 Ditto.

Quoting brookiecookie87:

 

I hope so as well.

Quoting nickellmomof2:

I really hope this comes to an end soon and no one else gets hurt.

 

 

 

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JoshRachelsMAMA
by JRM on Feb. 8, 2013 at 9:57 PM
No way? Why not? Why does he "need to die"?

Quoting viv212:

No way. This guy knows he needs to die before ever getting taken in. Once LAPD gets ahold of him they will beat him ass with no mercy.



I think he knows he cannot expose the LAPD as a gang and all that they do, but he is getting heard.




Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

He needs to walk into a police building far away from Los Angeles UNARMED. Get arrested, prosecuted and convicted. He has piqued so much interest that he now has a platform to be heard and speak to the media sharks and the FBI. Perhaps this is the catalyst that brings change to the LAPD.





It's tragic that he felt he has to kill people to be heard.






Quoting FromAtoZ:

Thanks for taking the time to post this.

First thing I did when I woke up was turn on the news to see what has happened over night.  Not getting much up here.

My sister, who lives in central Cali called me.  She wanted to know where to find the manifesto.  It's every where.

The more I have read the more I truly pray no one else is injured or killed.  This man realizes he will not live through this and he seems to have accepted that.  I have no doubt any police officer that comes face to face with him, or otherwise, will shoot to kill and claim victory once having killed him.  

Some of the news coverage I have heard has, without a doubt, twisted and turned this in to a sensational movie like scenario.  This isn't a movie, this is real life.  This man's life, the corruption of the LAPD and the carnage left in the wake of this man's actions.  It is far more important and heart wrenching, disturbing and frightening than any of us can imagine.

I have no problem saying that there is a part of me who feels for this man.  To get to the point, in one's mind and life, where taking the actions he has becomes his reality is........hell, I can't even come up with the correct word.

His actions are not condoned, in any way at all.  I wish there had been some other way for him to handle all that has happened.  That he was stronger in mind to deal with things in a healthy and safe manner.

At this point, I do not feel this man has always been as crazed as he is.  

The LAPD will claim victory when this is done, when he is dead.  They will claim they vindicated their department and surrounding police departments.  Action will be taken to suppress all the evidence that may very well point to them.  Once again, the LAPD will reign supreme.  That is as frightening as the mind and actions of this man.

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brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Feb. 8, 2013 at 10:45 PM


I would disagree as well. Being a Martyr won't help his cause too much. Turning himself in and shinning light futher on the situation  would.

But from the actions that have happened it doesn't seem like there are any plans to take him in alive. And since he said he is willing to die. Both sides seem in agreement that this will end in blood.

Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

No way? Why not? Why does he "need to die"?

Quoting viv212:

No way. This guy knows he needs to die before ever getting taken in. Once LAPD gets ahold of him they will beat him ass with no mercy.



I think he knows he cannot expose the LAPD as a gang and all that they do, but he is getting heard.




Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

He needs to walk into a police building far away from Los Angeles UNARMED. Get arrested, prosecuted and convicted. He has piqued so much interest that he now has a platform to be heard and speak to the media sharks and the FBI. Perhaps this is the catalyst that brings change to the LAPD.





It's tragic that he felt he has to kill people to be heard.






Quoting FromAtoZ:

Thanks for taking the time to post this.

First thing I did when I woke up was turn on the news to see what has happened over night.  Not getting much up here.

My sister, who lives in central Cali called me.  She wanted to know where to find the manifesto.  It's every where.

The more I have read the more I truly pray no one else is injured or killed.  This man realizes he will not live through this and he seems to have accepted that.  I have no doubt any police officer that comes face to face with him, or otherwise, will shoot to kill and claim victory once having killed him.  

Some of the news coverage I have heard has, without a doubt, twisted and turned this in to a sensational movie like scenario.  This isn't a movie, this is real life.  This man's life, the corruption of the LAPD and the carnage left in the wake of this man's actions.  It is far more important and heart wrenching, disturbing and frightening than any of us can imagine.

I have no problem saying that there is a part of me who feels for this man.  To get to the point, in one's mind and life, where taking the actions he has becomes his reality is........hell, I can't even come up with the correct word.

His actions are not condoned, in any way at all.  I wish there had been some other way for him to handle all that has happened.  That he was stronger in mind to deal with things in a healthy and safe manner.

At this point, I do not feel this man has always been as crazed as he is.  

The LAPD will claim victory when this is done, when he is dead.  They will claim they vindicated their department and surrounding police departments.  Action will be taken to suppress all the evidence that may very well point to them.  Once again, the LAPD will reign supreme.  That is as frightening as the mind and actions of this man.



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If they enforced bank regulations like they do park rules, we wouldn't be in this mess

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by Silver Member on Feb. 8, 2013 at 10:51 PM

wtf I feel like I'm living in a movie...or video game.

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