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link to uncensored Dorner manifesto

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by on Feb. 8, 2013 at 11:43 PM
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survivorinohio
by René on Feb. 9, 2013 at 3:04 PM

I read it.  I think its tragic and that two wrongs dont make a right but part of me really hopes some of his targets are pretty uneasy.  There should be harsh consequences to the corruption he is reacting to.

soonergirl980
by Silver Member on Feb. 9, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Ohhhh I see if you have a list of people or warn if anyone gets in the way that makes it different than killing random innocent people. Just make sure you have a list.


Quoting brookiecookie87:


Because calling him a hero implies he is doing everything right (Like a hero normally does). He isn't. He is making wrong choices and doing the wrong things.

I don't think anyone is excusing his actions. I haven't seen anyone say, "He is doing the right thing killing people" Which is the actions he has done.

What he is doing is horrible. But he is completely different than Adam Lanza for example. Adam Lanza wanted to kill as much people as he could. Christopher Dorner has a list of people he wants to kill and has specified that any Office that is in his way will be on his list as well.

He is wrong. And horrible for his actions. But he is the result of a broken/corrupt system.

Quoting soonergirl980:

There are people on this thread saying they "understand" what his doing and that they are "rooting" for him. Please tell me that how that is any better than calling him a hero. Excusing his actions because they don't like the LAPD is wrong he is wrong it is horrible what he is doing I don't care what his "reasons" are. I'm sure whatever the hell was going on up in Adam Lanzas head he felt totally justified too but there is no "justification" for any of it. End of story.


Quoting brookiecookie87:


No one is calling him a hero. Unless they call him an anti-hero (Think Punisher).

You don't think that the LAPD hasn't killed innocent people? And worse-Walk off completely free for it?

This is actually a great example. In their look for him they shot at two different trucks (Three people) using 50+ bullets. Neither person was him. Luckily their aim isn't that great and all three of them are still alive. But if they had better aim it would be 3 deaths vs 3 deaths (Well if Christopher Dorner had better aim it would be 3 deaths vs 4 deaths).

This shouldn't be a game of, "Who is more awful" and, "Who is more evil". Killing innocent people is awful. Protecting people who harm/kill innocent people is equally as awful.

The system needs to be fixed. Finding someone you think is "worse" doesn't justify a broke/corrupt system.

Quoting soonergirl980:

He's worse than the LAPD he's going around murdering innocent people and he's not done he is a disgusting human being. He doesn't just laugh about death he causes it. He is evil.


Quoting krysstizzle:

One man who murdered 3 people (which is despicable, no arguments) is worse than an entire instututionalized department corrupt to the core, a department charged with protecting and serving the peace the routinely engages in corrupt and despicable actions, that beat the powerless and laugh about death. Worse than that? 

He's bad. The LAPD is just as awful. 

Quoting Mipsy:

Agreed. Murdering others solves nothing and he is no better than those he is angry with. He's worse.

Quoting mehamil1:

Alright, the man is not crazy. This is even more terrifying than I thought. 












soonergirl980
by Silver Member on Feb. 9, 2013 at 3:09 PM
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and the Adam Lanzas and James Horns of the world are a result of a broken mental health system but I didn't see anyone trying to make justification about them as a result of that.


Quoting brookiecookie87:


Because calling him a hero implies he is doing everything right (Like a hero normally does). He isn't. He is making wrong choices and doing the wrong things.

I don't think anyone is excusing his actions. I haven't seen anyone say, "He is doing the right thing killing people" Which is the actions he has done.

What he is doing is horrible. But he is completely different than Adam Lanza for example. Adam Lanza wanted to kill as much people as he could. Christopher Dorner has a list of people he wants to kill and has specified that any Office that is in his way will be on his list as well.

He is wrong. And horrible for his actions. But he is the result of a broken/corrupt system.

Quoting soonergirl980:

There are people on this thread saying they "understand" what his doing and that they are "rooting" for him. Please tell me that how that is any better than calling him a hero. Excusing his actions because they don't like the LAPD is wrong he is wrong it is horrible what he is doing I don't care what his "reasons" are. I'm sure whatever the hell was going on up in Adam Lanzas head he felt totally justified too but there is no "justification" for any of it. End of story.


Quoting brookiecookie87:


No one is calling him a hero. Unless they call him an anti-hero (Think Punisher).

You don't think that the LAPD hasn't killed innocent people? And worse-Walk off completely free for it?

This is actually a great example. In their look for him they shot at two different trucks (Three people) using 50+ bullets. Neither person was him. Luckily their aim isn't that great and all three of them are still alive. But if they had better aim it would be 3 deaths vs 3 deaths (Well if Christopher Dorner had better aim it would be 3 deaths vs 4 deaths).

This shouldn't be a game of, "Who is more awful" and, "Who is more evil". Killing innocent people is awful. Protecting people who harm/kill innocent people is equally as awful.

The system needs to be fixed. Finding someone you think is "worse" doesn't justify a broke/corrupt system.

Quoting soonergirl980:

He's worse than the LAPD he's going around murdering innocent people and he's not done he is a disgusting human being. He doesn't just laugh about death he causes it. He is evil.


Quoting krysstizzle:

One man who murdered 3 people (which is despicable, no arguments) is worse than an entire instututionalized department corrupt to the core, a department charged with protecting and serving the peace the routinely engages in corrupt and despicable actions, that beat the powerless and laugh about death. Worse than that? 

He's bad. The LAPD is just as awful. 

Quoting Mipsy:

Agreed. Murdering others solves nothing and he is no better than those he is angry with. He's worse.

Quoting mehamil1:

Alright, the man is not crazy. This is even more terrifying than I thought. 












brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Feb. 9, 2013 at 3:11 PM


Actually-Yes. Those are two very different things.

I didn't say it makes it okay. But it is completely different.

Quoting soonergirl980:

Ohhhh I see if you have a list of people or warn if anyone gets in the way that makes it different than killing random innocent people. Just make sure you have a list.


Quoting brookiecookie87:


Because calling him a hero implies he is doing everything right (Like a hero normally does). He isn't. He is making wrong choices and doing the wrong things.

I don't think anyone is excusing his actions. I haven't seen anyone say, "He is doing the right thing killing people" Which is the actions he has done.

What he is doing is horrible. But he is completely different than Adam Lanza for example. Adam Lanza wanted to kill as much people as he could. Christopher Dorner has a list of people he wants to kill and has specified that any Office that is in his way will be on his list as well.

He is wrong. And horrible for his actions. But he is the result of a broken/corrupt system.

Quoting soonergirl980:

There are people on this thread saying they "understand" what his doing and that they are "rooting" for him. Please tell me that how that is any better than calling him a hero. Excusing his actions because they don't like the LAPD is wrong he is wrong it is horrible what he is doing I don't care what his "reasons" are. I'm sure whatever the hell was going on up in Adam Lanzas head he felt totally justified too but there is no "justification" for any of it. End of story.


Quoting brookiecookie87:


No one is calling him a hero. Unless they call him an anti-hero (Think Punisher).

You don't think that the LAPD hasn't killed innocent people? And worse-Walk off completely free for it?

This is actually a great example. In their look for him they shot at two different trucks (Three people) using 50+ bullets. Neither person was him. Luckily their aim isn't that great and all three of them are still alive. But if they had better aim it would be 3 deaths vs 3 deaths (Well if Christopher Dorner had better aim it would be 3 deaths vs 4 deaths).

This shouldn't be a game of, "Who is more awful" and, "Who is more evil". Killing innocent people is awful. Protecting people who harm/kill innocent people is equally as awful.

The system needs to be fixed. Finding someone you think is "worse" doesn't justify a broke/corrupt system.

Quoting soonergirl980:

He's worse than the LAPD he's going around murdering innocent people and he's not done he is a disgusting human being. He doesn't just laugh about death he causes it. He is evil.


Quoting krysstizzle:

One man who murdered 3 people (which is despicable, no arguments) is worse than an entire instututionalized department corrupt to the core, a department charged with protecting and serving the peace the routinely engages in corrupt and despicable actions, that beat the powerless and laugh about death. Worse than that? 

He's bad. The LAPD is just as awful. 

Quoting Mipsy:

Agreed. Murdering others solves nothing and he is no better than those he is angry with. He's worse.

Quoting mehamil1:

Alright, the man is not crazy. This is even more terrifying than I thought. 














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brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Feb. 9, 2013 at 3:13 PM
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You do realize I never said, "What he is doing is okay because he is the result of a broken system", right? I also never said, "He is justified for doing it because of the broken system". I never made either statement.

One could indeed argue that Adam Lanzas and James Horns of the worlds are a result of a broken mental health system and that we should fix it.  And in fact there were many people who said just that. That we need to get rid of the negative stigma with mental illness and find more and better treatments.

It doesn't make what they did okay. But it explains why they did it.

Quoting soonergirl980:

and the Adam Lanzas and James Horns of the world are a result of a broken mental health system but I didn't see anyone trying to make justification about them as a result of that.


Quoting brookiecookie87:


Because calling him a hero implies he is doing everything right (Like a hero normally does). He isn't. He is making wrong choices and doing the wrong things.

I don't think anyone is excusing his actions. I haven't seen anyone say, "He is doing the right thing killing people" Which is the actions he has done.

What he is doing is horrible. But he is completely different than Adam Lanza for example. Adam Lanza wanted to kill as much people as he could. Christopher Dorner has a list of people he wants to kill and has specified that any Office that is in his way will be on his list as well.

He is wrong. And horrible for his actions. But he is the result of a broken/corrupt system.

Quoting soonergirl980:

There are people on this thread saying they "understand" what his doing and that they are "rooting" for him. Please tell me that how that is any better than calling him a hero. Excusing his actions because they don't like the LAPD is wrong he is wrong it is horrible what he is doing I don't care what his "reasons" are. I'm sure whatever the hell was going on up in Adam Lanzas head he felt totally justified too but there is no "justification" for any of it. End of story.


Quoting brookiecookie87:


No one is calling him a hero. Unless they call him an anti-hero (Think Punisher).

You don't think that the LAPD hasn't killed innocent people? And worse-Walk off completely free for it?

This is actually a great example. In their look for him they shot at two different trucks (Three people) using 50+ bullets. Neither person was him. Luckily their aim isn't that great and all three of them are still alive. But if they had better aim it would be 3 deaths vs 3 deaths (Well if Christopher Dorner had better aim it would be 3 deaths vs 4 deaths).

This shouldn't be a game of, "Who is more awful" and, "Who is more evil". Killing innocent people is awful. Protecting people who harm/kill innocent people is equally as awful.

The system needs to be fixed. Finding someone you think is "worse" doesn't justify a broke/corrupt system.

Quoting soonergirl980:

He's worse than the LAPD he's going around murdering innocent people and he's not done he is a disgusting human being. He doesn't just laugh about death he causes it. He is evil.


Quoting krysstizzle:

One man who murdered 3 people (which is despicable, no arguments) is worse than an entire instututionalized department corrupt to the core, a department charged with protecting and serving the peace the routinely engages in corrupt and despicable actions, that beat the powerless and laugh about death. Worse than that? 

He's bad. The LAPD is just as awful. 

Quoting Mipsy:

Agreed. Murdering others solves nothing and he is no better than those he is angry with. He's worse.

Quoting mehamil1:

Alright, the man is not crazy. This is even more terrifying than I thought. 














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mehamil1
by Platinum Member on Feb. 9, 2013 at 3:17 PM
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I know enough about the LAPD and police departments in general to know what he is saying is true. I live in Chicago. I am Irish. That means I'm related to a good portion of the police force here. A lot of the cousins I grew up with are now cops and abuse their power. They were assholes as children, they are assholes as adults. To make matters worse, they now have authority and power and are armed. 

I am not saying all cops are bad. They aren't. However, too many are. Too many commit crimes against innocent people and it's covered up. The cops who bring it to attention are fired. Dorner was one of them and this is the result of that level of corruption. The LAPD has shot 3 innocent people they thought was him. So obviously he has a valid point here. 

I do not support what he is doing at all. Revenge is redundant. it solves nothing. Despite all of that, I know what he is saying is true. That doesn't make what he's doing right or justified, and I think he knows that. Back a person into a corner and they lash out. 

Quoting soonergirl980:

You are assuming what a murderous asshole writes is true.

Quoting mehamil1:

I do not think Revenge solves anything. But after reading his manifesto, I get why he's doing it. I wonder why this hasn't happened before. 

He is the symptom of a much larger problem within the LAPD. He's not worse. He's the outcome of what happens when a giant institution royally fucks up and acts with impunity and punishes those who speak out against it. 

Quoting Mipsy:
Yes, what he's doing is worse.
Quoting krysstizzle:

One an who murdered 3 people (which is despicable, no arguments) is worse than an entire instututionalized department corrupt to the core, a department charged with protecting and serving the peace the routinely engages in corrupt and despicable actions, that beat the powerless and laugh about death. Worse than that? 

He's bad. The LAPD is just as awful. 

Quoting Mipsy:
Agreed. Murdering others solves nothing and he is no better than those he is angry with. He's worse.
Quoting mehamil1:

Alright, the man is not crazy. This is even more terrifying than I thought. 

ashellbell
by shellbark on Feb. 9, 2013 at 3:21 PM
Nope just angry.


Quoting mehamil1:

Alright, the man is not crazy. This is even more terrifying than I thought. 


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SuperJo
by Member on Feb. 9, 2013 at 4:01 PM
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I can't help feeling terribly for him after reading this. I feel horrible that he feels there's no better solution than to eliminate those people entirely.
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jynkx
by on Feb. 9, 2013 at 4:12 PM

marking my sopt.

viv212
by Gold Member on Feb. 9, 2013 at 4:15 PM
Who feels sorry for him?

I take it you don't know about LAPD?


Quoting soonergirl980:


This is why I hope he puts a bullet in his head. People are feeling sorry for this asshole. I guess if he kills one of his targets 6 year olds it'll be ok since apparently childern of people he feels harmed him are free game. It's only mentally unbalanced white males that kill innocent people that are evil.


Quoting viv212:

All your responses you have wrote regarding this are exactly mine. The LAPD is trying to make him look crazy and he's not. They're just scared of being exposed.



There's too many layers and politics in the LAPD. This guy is only skimming the top.



I don't agree with people dying but this guy isn't fucking around. I am still rooting for him- just not the deaths. He's not going to make it out alive himself.




Quoting krysstizzle:

One man who murdered 3 people (which is despicable, no arguments) is worse than an entire instututionalized department corrupt to the core, a department charged with protecting and serving the peace the routinely engages in corrupt and despicable actions, that beat the powerless and laugh about death. Worse than that? 

He's bad. The LAPD is just as awful. 

Quoting Mipsy:

Agreed. Murdering others solves nothing and he is no better than those he is angry with. He's worse.





Quoting mehamil1:

Alright, the man is not crazy. This is even more terrifying than I thought. 





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