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AP source: Charred body found in rubble of burned cabin in Southern California mountains


BIG BEAR, Calif. (AP) — The cabin where a former police officer is believed to be holed up is one fire.

TV footage from the scene shows smoke pouring from the cabin.

Police surrounded the cabin in the snow-covered woods of Big Bear, a resort town about 80 miles east of Los Angeles where authorities have focused their hunt for Christopher Dorner since they said he had launched a campaign to exact revenge against theLos Angeles Police Department for his firing.


ETA



Fugitive ex-cop Dorner reportedly dead after standoff with police

[Updated at 5:40 p.m. PT]

Shooting suspect Christopher Dorner has not emerged from a cabin destroyed by fire, the Associated Press reports. Dorner, the focus of a week-long manhunt, was believed to have barricaded himself in the mountain home after a deadly shootout with officers earlier Tuesday.

A single gunshot apparently fired inside the cabin was heard just before the fire broke out around 4:30 p.m. PT, a law enforcement source who request anonymity told the AP.

Fox News and CBS News are both reporting that Dorner has died inside the charred cabin.

Officials were waiting for the fire to burn out before approaching the ruins to search for a body, the AP reported.

Authorities said they believe Dorner fled to the cabin after exchanging gunfire with deputies, killing one and wounding another.

[From earlier reports]

The cabin where former LAPD officer Christopher Dorner is believed to be barricaded is now on fire.

Media at the scene reporter hearing numerous rounds of ammunition blasting about the time fire became fully involved. It is unknown if police and the suspect exchanged shots or they were ignited by the blaze.

It is also unknown if Dorner is still inside, but officers at the scene are taking a wait-and-see approach. Thick black smoke and flames can been seen coming from the mountain cabin.

Police and tactical units are requesting that the fire personnel stay back.

Overheard from authorities on the police radio channel:

"Hold until we start mop up with fire."

"Still not ready for fire. There's a lot of smoldering."

"More ammo going off."

"Fire doing quite well. I'm going to let it go."

Police want to let the fire burn through the basement as a precaution before entering. A firefighter raised in that residence is on the scene, and is telling officers that the basement is 12 x 15 feet. The ceiling of the basement is wood.

Police captain to officers surrounding the house: "If you see something catching on fire that's not supposed to be you let me know, otherwise let it go."

Police now asking if the firefighter familiar with the house knows if there would be any reason for ammunition to be stored in the home. Firefighter has not been in the residence in years so he doesn't know.

Kyle Martin, whose family owns the burning cabin, just told CNN that it was not being rented at the time. He said it does have electricity, but no internet, phone or cable.

Police are assembling a 10-man team to keep an eye on the garage.

NBC News reports that the second officer wounded during the early shootout is in serious condition, but is expected to survive.

[From earlier events]

Police said Dorner fled inside the cabin after after reportedly killing one deputy and wounding another during a gun battle earlier this afternoon.

Authorities have the cabin surrounded near Big Bear Lake, about 100 miles northeast of Los Angeles. Dozens of SWAT officers and armored vehicles have been sent to the scene.

"Enough is enough. It is time to turn yourself in," LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith said during a televised press conference. "It's time to end the bloodshed."

Cmdr. Smith said Tuesday's shootout between Dorner and officer occurred about 12:30 p.m. when deputies responded to a call about a vehicle have been stolen by a man resembling the wanted ex-officer.

According to the L.A. Times:

"Hundreds of rounds" were exchanged in about half an hour during the gun battle between fugitive former police officer Christopher Dorner and law enforcement officers Tuesday afternoon, sources said.

Days ago, Dorner broke into a cabin off Route 38, a source said. He allegedly tied up the couple inside and held them hostage until Tuesday morning when he left. It is unclear whether Dorner stole their vehicle or another, but Fish and Wildlife officers knew to be on the lookout for a white pickup truck when they spotted Dorner driving one and attempted to stop him, the source said.

A spokeswoman with the San Bernardino sheriff's office said the two wounded deputies were transported from the area via air ambulance. Their conditions were not immediately known.

During the shootout, police said Dorner apparently fled into a nearby cabin.

"Suspect is pinned down next to the shooting scene," a San Bernardino dispatcher could be heard saying over a police radio channel. "Marshals have a positive ID and visual of the suspect."

A 3-mile-wide perimeter has been set up by police, and authorities were asking news helicopters not to broadcast live video of the cabin.

[SLIDESHOW: Manhunt for former LAPD officer]

"We don't want to tip our hand," Cmdr. Smith said.

Residents in the area were being told to stay inside and lock their doors. The California Highway Patrol has closed all highways near the scene.

"People should stay away from that area. It is not safe right now," a police spokeswoman told KTLA-TV.

Dorner has been on the run for seven days. He is accused of killing three people--including one police officer--last week.

The 33-year-old former naval and LAPD officer turned triple-murder suspect, has been at the center of a massive manhunt stretching from the Bernardino Mountains—where his burned-out pickup truck was found last week—to the Mexican border.

In a manifesto posted online earlier this month, Dorner promised "unconventional and asymmetrical warfare" against the LAPD, which fired him in 2008. On Saturday, actor Charlie Sheen—who was mentioned in Dorner's online manifesto—released a video pleading with the accused killer to call him.

On Saturday, police conducted a door-to-door search for Dorner in Big Bear Lake, Calif., but snowfall hampered their efforts in the surrounding mountains.

On Sunday in Los Angeles, an increased police presence was seen at the Grammy Awards, which some thought Dorner might target. In Northridge, Calif., a home improvement store was evacuated after a report of a possible Dorner sighting, hours after the LAPD announced a $1 million reward for information leading to his arrest.

"This is the largest local reward ever offered, to our knowledge," Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck said at a news conference. "This is an act of domestic terrorism. This is a man who has targeted those that we entrust to protect the public. His actions cannot go unanswered."

by on Feb. 12, 2013 at 4:25 PM
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brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Feb. 12, 2013 at 7:55 PM



Quote:

"I am told this cabin has a basement so as a precaution, I am going to let that heat burn through to the basement"

 

That would make sense if they didn't start the fire. The fire started from the tear gas canisters/burners they threw in the cabin.

And now parts of the cabin/house are collapsing.

Quoting LauraKW:

Just said on CNN they aren't moving in to the cabin because they don't know if he is still in the cabin and they don't want to risk another officer's life. They think the fire might be a diversion.

Quoting brookiecookie87:




Quote:

Scanner "Do you want to have fire start putting water on it once the roof starts to collapse" and "3-4 Corner there is a lot of room left that has not caught yet"
Doesn't seem like they are interested in taking him alive at all.


Quoting viv212:

It'll be worse for him if they take him alive. They will beat the crap out of him.



Quoting sweet-a-kins:

That's exactly what they want





They have been shooting to kill, they shot two people (that look nothing like him) because they throught it was him





One was two Asian women and 1 white man








They don't want him Alive






Quoting connie45:

I hope that,he gives up and is taken alive. No way law enforcement, especially the LAPD, want his possible demise on,their hands. Adding fuel to the anti police brigade would not,be helpful.






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LauraKW
by "Dude!" on Feb. 12, 2013 at 8:09 PM
Someone else said he started the fire from the inside. After they threw in the tear gas canisters he tried to escape but was forced back in, and then he, Dorner, started the fire to create a diversion. I think the news stations are in such a rush to release info before they get scooped that they aren't verifying anything.

Quoting brookiecookie87:




Quote:

"I am told this cabin has a basement so as a precaution, I am going to let that heat burn through to the basement"

 

That would make sense if they didn't start the fire. The fire started from the tear gas canisters/burners they threw in the cabin.

And now parts of the cabin/house are collapsing.



Quoting LauraKW:

Just said on CNN they aren't moving in to the cabin because they don't know if he is still in the cabin and they don't want to risk another officer's life. They think the fire might be a diversion.



Quoting brookiecookie87:





Quote:

Scanner "Do you want to have fire start putting water on it once the roof starts to collapse" and "3-4 Corner there is a lot of room left that has not caught yet"
Doesn't seem like they are interested in taking him alive at all.




Quoting viv212:

It'll be worse for him if they take him alive. They will beat the crap out of him.





Quoting sweet-a-kins:

That's exactly what they want







They have been shooting to kill, they shot two people (that look nothing like him) because they throught it was him







One was two Asian women and 1 white man











They don't want him Alive








Quoting connie45:

I hope that,he gives up and is taken alive. No way law enforcement, especially the LAPD, want his possible demise on,their hands. Adding fuel to the anti police brigade would not,be helpful.








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brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Feb. 12, 2013 at 8:17 PM


I don't see what kind purpose a fire inside his own cabin would sever as a diversion for.

If he is in the Cabin a fire won't distract them from where he is. Unless he was thinking, "Here divert your attention to the fire while I burn to death or suffocate".

It wouldn't look bad for the Police to have accidentally have started a fire with whatever they threw in. People might argue that it looks bad to let a man burn to death. But if he is firing at them the counter argument is just as strong if not more.

Quoting LauraKW:

Someone else said he started the fire from the inside. After they threw in the tear gas canisters he tried to escape but was forced back in, and then he, Dorner, started the fire to create a diversion. I think the news stations are in such a rush to release info before they get scooped that they aren't verifying anything.

Quoting brookiecookie87:




Quote:

"I am told this cabin has a basement so as a precaution, I am going to let that heat burn through to the basement"

 

That would make sense if they didn't start the fire. The fire started from the tear gas canisters/burners they threw in the cabin.

And now parts of the cabin/house are collapsing.



Quoting LauraKW:

Just said on CNN they aren't moving in to the cabin because they don't know if he is still in the cabin and they don't want to risk another officer's life. They think the fire might be a diversion.



Quoting brookiecookie87:





Quote:

Scanner "Do you want to have fire start putting water on it once the roof starts to collapse" and "3-4 Corner there is a lot of room left that has not caught yet"
Doesn't seem like they are interested in taking him alive at all.




Quoting viv212:

It'll be worse for him if they take him alive. They will beat the crap out of him.





Quoting sweet-a-kins:

That's exactly what they want







They have been shooting to kill, they shot two people (that look nothing like him) because they throught it was him







One was two Asian women and 1 white man











They don't want him Alive








Quoting connie45:

I hope that,he gives up and is taken alive. No way law enforcement, especially the LAPD, want his possible demise on,their hands. Adding fuel to the anti police brigade would not,be helpful.










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lovinallofthem
by Member on Feb. 12, 2013 at 8:23 PM
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cracks me up how people soooo unrelated to LAPD can be soooo self righteously against them because of some NUT and his CRAZY 'manifesto' .. the guy was a loser way before he tried to be a cop.   stories have already come out locally about his history of whacked-out accusations BEFORE the PD, all the way back to the beginning of his military 'career'...   oh wait!! you are going to say it was "planted info" , and claim that the LAPD made all those stories up, right??? 

give me a big ol' break.

Quoting krysstizzle:

A $1million dollar reward on his head seems a bit much, but that's just my opinion. 

I fully believe Dorner needs to be brought to justice if he is found guilty of murder (innocent until proven and all that). His actions are reprehensible. 

I also fully believe the LAPD is full of shit and corruption and should be investigated and held responsible for all of their misdeeds.

But I think we all know which of those two scenarios are going to happen (hint: it's not the second one) Personally, I find the institutionalized violence (including violence against innocent people) allegedly perpetrated by the LAPD to be more reprehensible than one violent man. 

Quoting TTC2Long:

What are you talking about? He's a murderer with stated plans to kill a LOT of people. Of course they're going to go balls out!

Quoting krysstizzle:

The amount of resources poured into this is out of fucking control. 

Suspicious, much? 



 

TTC2Long
by on Feb. 12, 2013 at 8:24 PM
If they didn't pour resources into it and he continued to evade police and kill, there would be an uproar. And you're complaining that they're putting TO much into it. Silly. Just silly.

Quoting krysstizzle:

A $1million dollar reward on his head seems a bit much, but that's just my opinion. 

I fully believe Dorner needs to be brought to justice if he is found guilty of murder (innocent until proven and all that). His actions are reprehensible. 

I also fully believe the LAPD is full of shit and corruption and should be investigated and held responsible for all of their misdeeds.

But I think we all know which of those two scenarios are going to happen (hint: it's not the second one) Personally, I find the institutionalized violence (including violence against innocent people) allegedly perpetrated by the LAPD to be more reprehensible than one violent man. 

Quoting TTC2Long:

What are you talking about? He's a murderer with stated plans to kill a LOT of people. Of course they're going to go balls out!



Quoting krysstizzle:

The amount of resources poured into this is out of fucking control. 

Suspicious, much? 


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krysstizzle
by DeepThought on Feb. 12, 2013 at 8:27 PM

If you think this man is the only one who has made accusations against the LAPD, you are sadly mistaken. LAPD has a long, ugly history of corruption. 

Take any kind of break you want, that doesn't change anything.

Quoting lovinallofthem:


cracks me up how people soooo unrelated to LAPD can be soooo self righteously against them because of some NUT and his CRAZY 'manifesto' .. the guy was a loser way before he tried to be a cop.   stories have already come out locally about his history of whacked-out accusations BEFORE the PD, all the way back to the beginning of his military 'career'...   oh wait!! you are going to say it was "planted info" , and claim that the LAPD made all those stories up, right??? 

give me a big ol' break.

Quoting krysstizzle:

A $1million dollar reward on his head seems a bit much, but that's just my opinion. 

I fully believe Dorner needs to be brought to justice if he is found guilty of murder (innocent until proven and all that). His actions are reprehensible. 

I also fully believe the LAPD is full of shit and corruption and should be investigated and held responsible for all of their misdeeds.

But I think we all know which of those two scenarios are going to happen (hint: it's not the second one) Personally, I find the institutionalized violence (including violence against innocent people) allegedly perpetrated by the LAPD to be more reprehensible than one violent man. 

Quoting TTC2Long:

What are you talking about? He's a murderer with stated plans to kill a LOT of people. Of course they're going to go balls out!

Quoting krysstizzle:

The amount of resources poured into this is out of fucking control. 

Suspicious, much? 





LauraKW
by "Dude!" on Feb. 12, 2013 at 8:28 PM
They don't know if he is in the cabin. They think he might have started the fire as a diversion while he escaped and that he is in the woods now. I think he probably burned to death in there, but I can understand why they would consider the possibility that he isn't in there.

Quoting brookiecookie87:


I don't see what kind purpose a fire inside his own cabin would sever as a diversion for.

If he is in the Cabin a fire won't distract them from where he is. Unless he was thinking, "Here divert your attention to the fire while I burn to death or suffocate".

It wouldn't look bad for the Police to have accidentally have started a fire with whatever they threw in. People might argue that it looks bad to let a man burn to death. But if he is firing at them the counter argument is just as strong if not more.


Quoting LauraKW:

Someone else said he started the fire from the inside. After they threw in the tear gas canisters he tried to escape but was forced back in, and then he, Dorner, started the fire to create a diversion. I think the news stations are in such a rush to release info before they get scooped that they aren't verifying anything.



Quoting brookiecookie87:





Quote:

"I am told this cabin has a basement so as a precaution, I am going to let that heat burn through to the basement"

 

That would make sense if they didn't start the fire. The fire started from the tear gas canisters/burners they threw in the cabin.

And now parts of the cabin/house are collapsing.





Quoting LauraKW:

Just said on CNN they aren't moving in to the cabin because they don't know if he is still in the cabin and they don't want to risk another officer's life. They think the fire might be a diversion.





Quoting brookiecookie87:






Quote:

Scanner "Do you want to have fire start putting water on it once the roof starts to collapse" and "3-4 Corner there is a lot of room left that has not caught yet"
Doesn't seem like they are interested in taking him alive at all.






Quoting viv212:

It'll be worse for him if they take him alive. They will beat the crap out of him.







Quoting sweet-a-kins:

That's exactly what they want









They have been shooting to kill, they shot two people (that look nothing like him) because they throught it was him









One was two Asian women and 1 white man














They don't want him Alive










Quoting connie45:

I hope that,he gives up and is taken alive. No way law enforcement, especially the LAPD, want his possible demise on,their hands. Adding fuel to the anti police brigade would not,be helpful.













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krysstizzle
by DeepThought on Feb. 12, 2013 at 8:28 PM

*shrug* There are many people out there much, much more dangerous than this man. So I stand by my statement: a $1 million reward on his head is a bit much, to put it lightly.

Quoting TTC2Long:

If they didn't pour resources into it and he continued to evade police and kill, there would be an uproar. And you're complaining that they're putting TO much into it. Silly. Just silly.

Quoting krysstizzle:

A $1million dollar reward on his head seems a bit much, but that's just my opinion. 

I fully believe Dorner needs to be brought to justice if he is found guilty of murder (innocent until proven and all that). His actions are reprehensible. 

I also fully believe the LAPD is full of shit and corruption and should be investigated and held responsible for all of their misdeeds.

But I think we all know which of those two scenarios are going to happen (hint: it's not the second one) Personally, I find the institutionalized violence (including violence against innocent people) allegedly perpetrated by the LAPD to be more reprehensible than one violent man. 

Quoting TTC2Long:

What are you talking about? He's a murderer with stated plans to kill a LOT of people. Of course they're going to go balls out!



Quoting krysstizzle:

The amount of resources poured into this is out of fucking control. 

Suspicious, much? 



brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Feb. 12, 2013 at 8:30 PM


He was killed by a sniper

https://twitter.com/KETK_NealBarton/status/301493175271444480

Assuming that tweet is not some God awful joke.

Quoting LauraKW:

They don't know if he is in the cabin. They think he might have started the fire as a diversion while he escaped and that he is in the woods now. I think he probably burned to death in there, but I can understand why they would consider the possibility that he isn't in there.

Quoting brookiecookie87:


I don't see what kind purpose a fire inside his own cabin would sever as a diversion for.

If he is in the Cabin a fire won't distract them from where he is. Unless he was thinking, "Here divert your attention to the fire while I burn to death or suffocate".

It wouldn't look bad for the Police to have accidentally have started a fire with whatever they threw in. People might argue that it looks bad to let a man burn to death. But if he is firing at them the counter argument is just as strong if not more.


Quoting LauraKW:

Someone else said he started the fire from the inside. After they threw in the tear gas canisters he tried to escape but was forced back in, and then he, Dorner, started the fire to create a diversion. I think the news stations are in such a rush to release info before they get scooped that they aren't verifying anything.



Quoting brookiecookie87:





Quote:

"I am told this cabin has a basement so as a precaution, I am going to let that heat burn through to the basement"

 

That would make sense if they didn't start the fire. The fire started from the tear gas canisters/burners they threw in the cabin.

And now parts of the cabin/house are collapsing.





Quoting LauraKW:

Just said on CNN they aren't moving in to the cabin because they don't know if he is still in the cabin and they don't want to risk another officer's life. They think the fire might be a diversion.





Quoting brookiecookie87:






Quote:

Scanner "Do you want to have fire start putting water on it once the roof starts to collapse" and "3-4 Corner there is a lot of room left that has not caught yet"
Doesn't seem like they are interested in taking him alive at all.






Quoting viv212:

It'll be worse for him if they take him alive. They will beat the crap out of him.







Quoting sweet-a-kins:

That's exactly what they want









They have been shooting to kill, they shot two people (that look nothing like him) because they throught it was him









One was two Asian women and 1 white man














They don't want him Alive










Quoting connie45:

I hope that,he gives up and is taken alive. No way law enforcement, especially the LAPD, want his possible demise on,their hands. Adding fuel to the anti police brigade would not,be helpful.















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If they enforced bank regulations like they do park rules, we wouldn't be in this mess

lovinallofthem
by Member on Feb. 12, 2013 at 8:33 PM

 

um, NO

after rampart a seperate committee was established to investigate, made up of regular citizens and councilmen.  

his case had been COMPLETE for MONTHS prior to this breakdown of his.

he hadnt even been a regular officer because he basically didnt even complete his probation back in 08

LAPD today is way different than the LAPD of 15 yrs ago.  there are bad cops EVERYWHERE, and they will answer for theirs.  your comments are without proof.

Quoting krysstizzle:

I thought LAPD corruption was just one of those things that was known.  (Rampart division, anyone?) Aside from that, it should be fairly straightforward to dig and investigate the allegations Dorner made. Is anyone doing that? Oh, yeah, the LAPD is investigating themselves. I'm sure that will be on the up and up.  

Quoting connie45:

What information or first hand knowledge do you have on LAPD corruption? That's a big finite statement you just made. Back it up.


Quoting krysstizzle:

A $1million dollar reward on his head seems a bit much, but that's just my opinion. 

I fully believe Dorner needs to be brought to justice if he is found guilty of murder (innocent until proven and all that). His actions are reprehensible. 

I also fully believe the LAPD is full of shit and corruption and should be investigated and held responsible for all of their misdeeds.

But I think we all know which of those two scenarios are going to happen (hint: it's not the second one) Personally, I find the institutionalized violence (including violence against innocent people) allegedly perpetrated by the LAPD to be more reprehensible than one violent man. 

Quoting TTC2Long:

What are you talking about? He's a murderer with stated plans to kill a LOT of people. Of course they're going to go balls out!



Quoting krysstizzle:

The amount of resources poured into this is out of fucking control. 

Suspicious, much? 





 

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