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AP source: Charred body found in rubble of burned cabin in Southern California mountains


BIG BEAR, Calif. (AP) — The cabin where a former police officer is believed to be holed up is one fire.

TV footage from the scene shows smoke pouring from the cabin.

Police surrounded the cabin in the snow-covered woods of Big Bear, a resort town about 80 miles east of Los Angeles where authorities have focused their hunt for Christopher Dorner since they said he had launched a campaign to exact revenge against theLos Angeles Police Department for his firing.


ETA



Fugitive ex-cop Dorner reportedly dead after standoff with police

[Updated at 5:40 p.m. PT]

Shooting suspect Christopher Dorner has not emerged from a cabin destroyed by fire, the Associated Press reports. Dorner, the focus of a week-long manhunt, was believed to have barricaded himself in the mountain home after a deadly shootout with officers earlier Tuesday.

A single gunshot apparently fired inside the cabin was heard just before the fire broke out around 4:30 p.m. PT, a law enforcement source who request anonymity told the AP.

Fox News and CBS News are both reporting that Dorner has died inside the charred cabin.

Officials were waiting for the fire to burn out before approaching the ruins to search for a body, the AP reported.

Authorities said they believe Dorner fled to the cabin after exchanging gunfire with deputies, killing one and wounding another.

[From earlier reports]

The cabin where former LAPD officer Christopher Dorner is believed to be barricaded is now on fire.

Media at the scene reporter hearing numerous rounds of ammunition blasting about the time fire became fully involved. It is unknown if police and the suspect exchanged shots or they were ignited by the blaze.

It is also unknown if Dorner is still inside, but officers at the scene are taking a wait-and-see approach. Thick black smoke and flames can been seen coming from the mountain cabin.

Police and tactical units are requesting that the fire personnel stay back.

Overheard from authorities on the police radio channel:

"Hold until we start mop up with fire."

"Still not ready for fire. There's a lot of smoldering."

"More ammo going off."

"Fire doing quite well. I'm going to let it go."

Police want to let the fire burn through the basement as a precaution before entering. A firefighter raised in that residence is on the scene, and is telling officers that the basement is 12 x 15 feet. The ceiling of the basement is wood.

Police captain to officers surrounding the house: "If you see something catching on fire that's not supposed to be you let me know, otherwise let it go."

Police now asking if the firefighter familiar with the house knows if there would be any reason for ammunition to be stored in the home. Firefighter has not been in the residence in years so he doesn't know.

Kyle Martin, whose family owns the burning cabin, just told CNN that it was not being rented at the time. He said it does have electricity, but no internet, phone or cable.

Police are assembling a 10-man team to keep an eye on the garage.

NBC News reports that the second officer wounded during the early shootout is in serious condition, but is expected to survive.

[From earlier events]

Police said Dorner fled inside the cabin after after reportedly killing one deputy and wounding another during a gun battle earlier this afternoon.

Authorities have the cabin surrounded near Big Bear Lake, about 100 miles northeast of Los Angeles. Dozens of SWAT officers and armored vehicles have been sent to the scene.

"Enough is enough. It is time to turn yourself in," LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith said during a televised press conference. "It's time to end the bloodshed."

Cmdr. Smith said Tuesday's shootout between Dorner and officer occurred about 12:30 p.m. when deputies responded to a call about a vehicle have been stolen by a man resembling the wanted ex-officer.

According to the L.A. Times:

"Hundreds of rounds" were exchanged in about half an hour during the gun battle between fugitive former police officer Christopher Dorner and law enforcement officers Tuesday afternoon, sources said.

Days ago, Dorner broke into a cabin off Route 38, a source said. He allegedly tied up the couple inside and held them hostage until Tuesday morning when he left. It is unclear whether Dorner stole their vehicle or another, but Fish and Wildlife officers knew to be on the lookout for a white pickup truck when they spotted Dorner driving one and attempted to stop him, the source said.

A spokeswoman with the San Bernardino sheriff's office said the two wounded deputies were transported from the area via air ambulance. Their conditions were not immediately known.

During the shootout, police said Dorner apparently fled into a nearby cabin.

"Suspect is pinned down next to the shooting scene," a San Bernardino dispatcher could be heard saying over a police radio channel. "Marshals have a positive ID and visual of the suspect."

A 3-mile-wide perimeter has been set up by police, and authorities were asking news helicopters not to broadcast live video of the cabin.

[SLIDESHOW: Manhunt for former LAPD officer]

"We don't want to tip our hand," Cmdr. Smith said.

Residents in the area were being told to stay inside and lock their doors. The California Highway Patrol has closed all highways near the scene.

"People should stay away from that area. It is not safe right now," a police spokeswoman told KTLA-TV.

Dorner has been on the run for seven days. He is accused of killing three people--including one police officer--last week.

The 33-year-old former naval and LAPD officer turned triple-murder suspect, has been at the center of a massive manhunt stretching from the Bernardino Mountains—where his burned-out pickup truck was found last week—to the Mexican border.

In a manifesto posted online earlier this month, Dorner promised "unconventional and asymmetrical warfare" against the LAPD, which fired him in 2008. On Saturday, actor Charlie Sheen—who was mentioned in Dorner's online manifesto—released a video pleading with the accused killer to call him.

On Saturday, police conducted a door-to-door search for Dorner in Big Bear Lake, Calif., but snowfall hampered their efforts in the surrounding mountains.

On Sunday in Los Angeles, an increased police presence was seen at the Grammy Awards, which some thought Dorner might target. In Northridge, Calif., a home improvement store was evacuated after a report of a possible Dorner sighting, hours after the LAPD announced a $1 million reward for information leading to his arrest.

"This is the largest local reward ever offered, to our knowledge," Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck said at a news conference. "This is an act of domestic terrorism. This is a man who has targeted those that we entrust to protect the public. His actions cannot go unanswered."

by on Feb. 12, 2013 at 4:25 PM
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brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Feb. 13, 2013 at 4:11 PM




There isn't exactly an "in" the cabin anymore.

Quoting viv212:

Weird. I heard they still aren't going in.

Quoting grandmab125:

 That was yesterday afternoon.  They've now recovered his body.  So, I guess we'll see after the autopsy if there was anything to that report.  All of the firing between the police and Dorner started when they tracked him to the cabin.  He started firing on them and they fired back.  This went on for several hours.


Quoting viv212:

I don't understand. They heard a single gunshot inside the cabin, then the fire broke out. Where does the gunfire between both parties happen? Which by the way, all those gunshots were pretty crazy!


Quoting grandmab125:


 The police shot a smoke grenade into the house.  Considering that he had all kinds of ammo in there, it probably set something off.  Plus there were reports that the police heard a shot that they thought came from within the cabin.  If that is true, they will know from the autopsy if he killed himself, rather than give up....or maybe he shot at something to cause it to blow up.  Who knows.   But it was really irresponsible for these news sites to be reporting a body was found, when the police had not even made a formal announcement.  One reporter texts something to his employer, and the next thing you know, they all pick up on it.



Quoting viv212:

So now you have probably seen where they believe it was Dorner in the cabin but it's not confirmed. They have no idea how the fire started or if anyone else is in the cabin. They won't know until tomorrow if it was him or not.

They did the Q/A section with reporters, then the reporter at the desk summed up the information and included information that was never answered in the Q/A forum. I don't understand how they just can include information in the report that was never given from the spokesperson.




Quoting Naturewoman4:



I heard that as well??  I've been clued to the TV since the news broke out about him still being in Big Bear & have been spotted.  Then as everything started unfolding, the cabin was on fire & continued to be on fire to the point it was falling down.  Next I heard/read that the Swat Team went in, found a dead body & they said it was Dohner.  








Quoting viv212:

I'm confused. I read somewhere he is dead.

But the prior reports say its believed to be him in the cabin. If a charred body is found, don't they need to make sure it's him?










 


 



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grandmab125
by Gold Member on Feb. 13, 2013 at 7:22 PM
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 Thank you.  Do you live anywhere near Big Bear?  It's all very confusing, because a lot of news outlets were reporting they had found a body, then the San Bernadino PD had a brief press appearance and said they hadn't even checked the ashes yet, because it was too dangerous.  Then this morning, they said they found the body at 8:00pm your time last night.

They are not going to declare that it is Dorner until they have positive forensic ID, which is the correct thing to do.

Quoting Naturewoman4:

Hi grandmab WB!  It was so crazy yesterday!  As I was laying in bed last night around 10pm or so, I heard a few helicopters flying above.  It was the craziest thing yesterday, around 7:30pm listening to KCal Ch. 9 news.  Then there was a 'breaking news', that the swat team went in & found a body & they said it was of Dorner. 

 My husband was showering, then I went in to tell him.  Turned the Ch. to HLN to hear more about J. Arias, Nancy Grace had on Anderson (CNN reporter), which they were covering the Dorner case.  Then, I believe I turned it back to Ch. 9pm or so & they said that no body was found yet???

 

Quoting grandmab125:

 They wouldn't let the FD get close enough to put it out, because they didn't know if there were explosives in there or what.  It was too dangerous for anyone to get near it until it burned itself out. 

Quoting HIJKLM:

Now they're saying there was no body yet recovered... Anyone else find this shady? I usually don't see the conspiracy in these events but how did the fire start? Why were there gun shots after the fire started? Why didn't they ever let in the FD? Then they found a body... Oops, no they didn't... I wonder if we'll ever know the truth.

 

 

 

 

grandma B

lovinallofthem
by Member on Feb. 14, 2013 at 4:34 PM

 

ACTUALLY , i AM from the area... i am ass-deep in it.   and LAPD is not the only dept with SOME corrupt people.     get your facts straight before you try to act so "hood".

Quoting viv212:

It is known LAPD is corrupt. Those who don't think so are not from the area. Everyone in LA knows how corrupt it is. Everyone outdide thinks we have always been lying about it I guess.

Quoting lovinallofthem:

 


cracks me up how people soooo unrelated to LAPD can be soooo self righteously against them because of some NUT and his CRAZY 'manifesto' .. the guy was a loser way before he tried to be a cop.   stories have already come out locally about his history of whacked-out accusations BEFORE the PD, all the way back to the beginning of his military 'career'...   oh wait!! you are going to say it was "planted info" , and claim that the LAPD made all those stories up, right??? 


give me a big ol' break.


Quoting krysstizzle:


A $1million dollar reward on his head seems a bit much, but that's just my opinion. 


I fully believe Dorner needs to be brought to justice if he is found guilty of murder (innocent until proven and all that). His actions are reprehensible. 


I also fully believe the LAPD is full of shit and corruption and should be investigated and held responsible for all of their misdeeds.


But I think we all know which of those two scenarios are going to happen (hint: it's not the second one) Personally, I find the institutionalized violence (including violence against innocent people) allegedly perpetrated by the LAPD to be more reprehensible than one violent man. 


Quoting TTC2Long:

What are you talking about? He's a murderer with stated plans to kill a LOT of people. Of course they're going to go balls out!


Quoting krysstizzle:


The amount of resources poured into this is out of fucking control. 


Suspicious, much? 




 


 


 

viv212
by Gold Member on Feb. 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM
I am too.

Not some corrupt people. A corrupt agency.

Did you just say in acting hood??????



Lol!!!!!


Quoting lovinallofthem:

 


ACTUALLY , i AM from the area... i am ass-deep in it.   and LAPD is not the only dept with SOME corrupt people.     get your facts straight before you try to act so "hood".


Quoting viv212:

It is known LAPD is corrupt. Those who don't think so are not from the area. Everyone in LA knows how corrupt it is. Everyone outdide thinks we have always been lying about it I guess.


Quoting lovinallofthem:


 



cracks me up how people soooo unrelated to LAPD can be soooo self righteously against them because of some NUT and his CRAZY 'manifesto' .. the guy was a loser way before he tried to be a cop.   stories have already come out locally about his history of whacked-out accusations BEFORE the PD, all the way back to the beginning of his military 'career'...   oh wait!! you are going to say it was "planted info" , and claim that the LAPD made all those stories up, right??? 



give me a big ol' break.



Quoting krysstizzle:



A $1million dollar reward on his head seems a bit much, but that's just my opinion. 



I fully believe Dorner needs to be brought to justice if he is found guilty of murder (innocent until proven and all that). His actions are reprehensible. 



I also fully believe the LAPD is full of shit and corruption and should be investigated and held responsible for all of their misdeeds.



But I think we all know which of those two scenarios are going to happen (hint: it's not the second one) Personally, I find the institutionalized violence (including violence against innocent people) allegedly perpetrated by the LAPD to be more reprehensible than one violent man. 



Quoting TTC2Long:

What are you talking about? He's a murderer with stated plans to kill a LOT of people. Of course they're going to go balls out!



Quoting krysstizzle:



The amount of resources poured into this is out of fucking control. 



Suspicious, much? 






 



 




 

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