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House overrides Obama, votes to freeze federal pay for third year

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The House voted Friday to freeze the pay of federal workers for the third year in a row over the objections of congressional Democrats and the Obama administration.

Members voted 261-154 in favor of the bill, which would also lock in a pay freeze for members of Congress. It exempts people serving in the military. 

The bill won significant support from Democrats — 43 voted for it — while 10 Republicans voted against it.

The legislation is an attempt to override President Obama's executive order in December that seeks to give federal workers a 0.5 percent pay hike in late March. That order incensed congressional Republicans, who criticized it as an attempt to seize control of an issue that has traditionally been under Congress's purview.

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) said the bill is needed to control the costs of the federal government where possible, in order to pursue other objectives.

"It is a small price to pay, consistent with the President's previous pay freeze, to hold pay increases of federal employees for one more year," Issa said during debate.

"We could do this today, or we could cut the National Institutes of Health. We could do this today, or we could park two or three of our aircraft carriers and lay off the crews."

The Obama administration on Wednesday said it opposes the bill, and that its proposed pay hike would "help ensure that the government remains competitive in attracting and retaining the Nationˈs best and brightest individuals for public service."

That statement did not go so far as saying Obama would veto the bill. Such a threat is most likely not needed, as the Senate is not expected to consider the House bill.

However, House Republicans will likely have another chance to keep federal pay frozen. Congress is expected to consider another continuing spending resolution for the rest of 2013 before late March, when the current resolution expires.

As they did earlier in the week, Democrats charged Republicans with forcing federal workers to shoulder the costs of deficit reduction.

Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.) said federal workers have "already contributed more than $100 billion towards reducing the deficit and funding unemployment benefits for millions of American workers."

"No other group of Americans have contributed more to reducing the deficit," he said.

Issa rejected that assessment by noting that the $100 billion price tag on the pay freeze is over 10 years, and that it was less than $10 billion in the first year of the freeze.

"Many of those sacrifices won't occur because people aren't necessarily be here for all ten years," he added.

Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-D.C.) said three years of a pay freeze is a "punishing cut in pay."

"Federal employees have not asked for a pass," she said. "But there is no way to justify singling them out as a solitary target, alone, repeatedly, picked out and picked on for cuts apart from the rest of the federal budget."

But Issa rejected that argument as well, and criticized Democrats for calling "$274 a catastrophe for the federal workforce." That's the amount a worker earning about $55,000 a year would not be getting from the 0.5 percent pay hike if the bill became law.

Issa also argued that federal workers have seen pay increases, as they are given step increases within their pay grade.

Only two Republicans — Reps. Frank Wolf (Va.) and Frank LoBiondo (N.J.) — spoke against the bill during the debate. Both argued that FBI agents, CIA agents and other federal first-responders should not have their pay frozen given that their work puts their lives at risk.

"I've talked to the CIA officers who are putting their lives on the line every single minute of every day," LoBiondo said. "They don't know when an attack is coming on them. They don't know from which direction. And we are going to tell them that they should not get even a single dollar? Shame. That's not what we should be about."

The legislation also freezes the pay of members of Congress. Democrats charged that Republicans included that language just to ensure support for the bill, and argued that there has been no threat to increasing the pay of members of Congress for the last few years.

On Thursday, however, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) argued that freezing the pay of members undermines the dignity of the job. "I think it's necessary for us to have the dignity of the job that we have rewarded," she said.

by on Feb. 16, 2013 at 7:08 AM
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MeAndTommyLee
by Gold Member on Feb. 16, 2013 at 9:45 AM

It states it plainly right IN the article!  So blatantly ignored. 


Quoting candlegal:

That won't matter to some.

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

"The bill won significant support from Democrats....."

 

Quoting mikiemom:

 

yea they don't care - because conservatives don't have the skills and education to make a decent living they don't think anyone else should be able to. They don't care that the civilian workforce hasn't gotten a raise in 3 years. There are open positions in the GS workforce that aren't being filled because of the hiring freeze. This is absolutely impacting our government. More with less is never a good thing

Quoting momalee40:

No pay raise ? Yes that sucks but right now we are waiting on word that my dh and all Dept of defense civilian employees will be forced to take 22 days of unpaid leave over the summer, all training cancelled and drill duty checks cut in half ( those last effect mainly National Guard and Reserves). That would mean almost 700 a month cut in our income for several months. Thats our house payment...

 

 

 

 



 

mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Feb. 16, 2013 at 9:52 AM
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No I work in Federal contracting and all of my contracts are funded past the sequestration mess. This isn't about me, it's about what is right and wrong. Not giving the the Federal employees a pay raise for 4 years is just wrong.

Quoting candlegal:

I take it you work for the federal government.

Quoting mikiemom:

 

yea they don't care - because conservatives don't have the skills and education to make a decent living they don't think anyone else should be able to. They don't care that the civilian workforce hasn't gotten a raise in 3 years. There are open positions in the GS workforce that aren't being filled because of the hiring freeze. This is absolutely impacting our government. More with less is never a good thing

Quoting momalee40:

No pay raise ? Yes that sucks but right now we are waiting on word that my dh and all Dept of defense civilian employees will be forced to take 22 days of unpaid leave over the summer, all training cancelled and drill duty checks cut in half ( those last effect mainly National Guard and Reserves). That would mean almost 700 a month cut in our income for several months. Thats our house payment...

 

 



 

mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Feb. 16, 2013 at 9:54 AM
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 Ugh wake up this isn't about democrat or republican, this is about congress doing the right thing and moving our country forward. The problem with this country is they can't get past politics long enough to do the right thing.


Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

"The bill won significant support from Democrats....."

 

Quoting mikiemom:

 

yea they don't care - because conservatives don't have the skills and education to make a decent living they don't think anyone else should be able to. They don't care that the civilian workforce hasn't gotten a raise in 3 years. There are open positions in the GS workforce that aren't being filled because of the hiring freeze. This is absolutely impacting our government. More with less is never a good thing

Quoting momalee40:

No pay raise ? Yes that sucks but right now we are waiting on word that my dh and all Dept of defense civilian employees will be forced to take 22 days of unpaid leave over the summer, all training cancelled and drill duty checks cut in half ( those last effect mainly National Guard and Reserves). That would mean almost 700 a month cut in our income for several months. Thats our house payment...

 

 

 

 


 

mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Feb. 16, 2013 at 9:56 AM

 

like I told the other poster - this isn't about democrat or republican, this is about congress doing the right thing. It really sucks that ya'll can't read a bill and know what the right thing is. Do you really just follow your congressional lead without question. I don't give a shit what side of the aisle the senator or house member sits on, I expect them to do what is right for this country.

Quoting talia-mom:

Yet many democrats voted for it.  

 

Quoting mikiemom:

 

yea they don't care - because conservatives don't have the skills and education to make a decent living they don't think anyone else should be able to. They don't care that the civilian workforce hasn't gotten a raise in 3 years. There are open positions in the GS workforce that aren't being filled because of the hiring freeze. This is absolutely impacting our government. More with less is never a good thing

Quoting momalee40:

No pay raise ? Yes that sucks but right now we are waiting on word that my dh and all Dept of defense civilian employees will be forced to take 22 days of unpaid leave over the summer, all training cancelled and drill duty checks cut in half ( those last effect mainly National Guard and Reserves). That would mean almost 700 a month cut in our income for several months. Thats our house payment...

 

 

 

 


 

talia-mom
by Gold Member on Feb. 16, 2013 at 9:58 AM
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Bullshit.   You would have said Congress had you meant Congress.  You meant people whose political values you despise and nothing more.  You just now need to backtrack on it.


Quoting mikiemom:


like I told the other poster - this isn't about democrat or republican, this is about congress doing the right thing. It really sucks that ya'll can't read a bill and know what the right thing is. Do you really just follow your congressional lead without question. I don't give a shit what side of the aisle the senator or house member sits on, I expect them to do what is right for this country.

Quoting talia-mom:

Yet many democrats voted for it.  


Quoting mikiemom:


yea they don't care - because conservatives don't have the skills and education to make a decent living they don't think anyone else should be able to. They don't care that the civilian workforce hasn't gotten a raise in 3 years. There are open positions in the GS workforce that aren't being filled because of the hiring freeze. This is absolutely impacting our government. More with less is never a good thing

Quoting momalee40:

No pay raise ? Yes that sucks but right now we are waiting on word that my dh and all Dept of defense civilian employees will be forced to take 22 days of unpaid leave over the summer, all training cancelled and drill duty checks cut in half ( those last effect mainly National Guard and Reserves). That would mean almost 700 a month cut in our income for several months. Thats our house payment...









mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Feb. 16, 2013 at 10:01 AM

 

LoL please learn to read the conservatives I was referring to were the civilian idiots around the country who think not giving federal employees a .5% raise after 3 years of pay freeze is a good idea are not educated enough and don't have the skills to get a good job.

Quoting talia-mom:

Bullshit.   You would have said Congress had you meant Congress.  You meant people whose political values you despise and nothing more.  You just now need to backtrack on it.

 

Quoting mikiemom:

 

like I told the other poster - this isn't about democrat or republican, this is about congress doing the right thing. It really sucks that ya'll can't read a bill and know what the right thing is. Do you really just follow your congressional lead without question. I don't give a shit what side of the aisle the senator or house member sits on, I expect them to do what is right for this country.

Quoting talia-mom:

Yet many democrats voted for it.  

 

Quoting mikiemom:

 

yea they don't care - because conservatives don't have the skills and education to make a decent living they don't think anyone else should be able to. They don't care that the civilian workforce hasn't gotten a raise in 3 years. There are open positions in the GS workforce that aren't being filled because of the hiring freeze. This is absolutely impacting our government. More with less is never a good thing

Quoting momalee40:

No pay raise ? Yes that sucks but right now we are waiting on word that my dh and all Dept of defense civilian employees will be forced to take 22 days of unpaid leave over the summer, all training cancelled and drill duty checks cut in half ( those last effect mainly National Guard and Reserves). That would mean almost 700 a month cut in our income for several months. Thats our house payment...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

MeAndTommyLee
by Gold Member on Feb. 16, 2013 at 10:03 AM

You're  the one that started bashing conservitives  Read your own post below.........  LOL

 I know you were not speaking of Democrats when you uttered the word conservative.  And BTW, everyoneshould be paid for their work and receive raises.  No one set of employees should be carrying the nation through financial woes that the higher up created.  Perhaps each congress member should forfeit 10% of their pay for the year instead of forcing others to do so.  This should be illegal.

 

Quoting mikiemom:

 Ugh wake up this isn't about democrat or republican, this is about congress doing the right thing and moving our country forward. The problem with this country is they can't get past politics long enough to do the right thing.

 

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

"The bill won significant support from Democrats....."

 

Quoting mikiemom:

 

yea they don't care - because conservatives don't have the skills and education to make a decent living they don't think anyone else should be able to. They don't care that the civilian workforce hasn't gotten a raise in 3 years. There are open positions in the GS workforce that aren't being filled because of the hiring freeze. This is absolutely impacting our government. More with less is never a good thing

Quoting momalee40:

No pay raise ? Yes that sucks but right now we are waiting on word that my dh and all Dept of defense civilian employees will be forced to take 22 days of unpaid leave over the summer, all training cancelled and drill duty checks cut in half ( those last effect mainly National Guard and Reserves). That would mean almost 700 a month cut in our income for several months. Thats our house payment...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

punky3175
by Punky on Feb. 16, 2013 at 10:11 AM
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Keep the .5% pay raise and don't furlough us. How's that?
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grandmab125
by Gold Member on Feb. 16, 2013 at 11:35 PM
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 Oh too bad, so sad.  Let them go cry on the shoulders of the approximately 12.3M people who don't have any job.

Obviously you are ignorant of the fact that they really do get increases within their grade.  After the first year, a person moves up to step 2, the next year, step 3, the next step 4.  Then it's two years to step 5, another two to step 6, and another 2 to step 7.  After that it's every three years.  These are all automatic.

And apparently, you ignored the part where Congress also included that they wouldn't get a raise either.

Quoting mikiemom:

what the fuck is wrong with you people. Federal workers haven't had a raise in 3 years, you claimed a 1% raise for the military who has gotten a raise every year during that same time period wasn't enough. Why do you think the work force that supports our  military and keep our government working. Congress gives themselves raises every year.

This is another example of a congress that doesn't do the best thing for this country.

 

grandma B

Trollslayer
by Bronze Member on Feb. 17, 2013 at 12:36 PM


Quoting mikiemom:

 Ugh wake up this isn't about democrat or republican, this is about congress doing the right thing and moving our country forward. The problem with this country is they can't get past politics long enough to do the right thing.


Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

"The bill won significant support from Democrats....."


Quoting mikiemom:


yea they don't care - because conservatives don't have the skills and education to make a decent living they don't think anyone else should be able to. They don't care that the civilian workforce hasn't gotten a raise in 3 years. There are open positions in the GS workforce that aren't being filled because of the hiring freeze. This is absolutely impacting our government. More with less is never a good thing

Quoting momalee40:

No pay raise ? Yes that sucks but right now we are waiting on word that my dh and all Dept of defense civilian employees will be forced to take 22 days of unpaid leave over the summer, all training cancelled and drill duty checks cut in half ( those last effect mainly National Guard and Reserves). That would mean almost 700 a month cut in our income for several months. Thats our house payment...







Had to make your words huge because you are so right!

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