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Another state trying to ban junk food bought with food stamps

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Las Vegas, NV (KTNV) -- There's a push in Texas to ban people from buying junk food and energy drinks with food stamps.

There are currently two legislative bills Texas lawmakers are discussing. One would ban the purchase of junk food with food stamps. The other would ban the purchase of energy drinks.

"We should not be on the one hand using tax dollars to buy junk food and on the other hand using tax dollars to pay for the health-related diseases because of junk food," said state representative Richard Pena Raymond.

Supporters of the bill say those on federal assistance are abusing what their given by purchasing items with no nutritional value.

Both bills are still moving through the legislative process.

by on Feb. 18, 2013 at 5:05 PM
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gizmo538
by Member on Feb. 20, 2013 at 4:11 PM

 Yes, actually I do. You obviously don't know me.

Quoting talia-mom:

You obviously never bake.

 

Quoting gizmo538:

 In Florida they tried to make it where you couldn't buy cake from the bakery on FS, but you could still make one from scratch (if you knew how or if you even had an oven to bake in). After the cake mix, pans (if you didn't have them already) the ingredients that did not come with the cake mix, the icing, decorations (if you wanted any) and candles ... it's cheaper to get one from the bakery.

Quoting specialwingz:

Although I do cook everything from scratch, many people don't.  So, a can of chili is JUNK?  Making chili from scratch is way more expensive than the can.  So, people who can't afford to cook everything from scratch are eating "junK" just because it came from a can?  Hope you have a ladder so you don't hurt yourself climbing down off that high horse of yours.

Quoting talia-mom:

 

I think it is pretty damn obvious canned chili and lunchables are junk food.

But yeah, we should just let people buy whatever they want despite this being a nutrition program.

Quoting gma12.1:

 What guidelines would be used to constitute "junk food" or food with no nutritional value? Some ppl think that if it isn't organic it is juck food, others think that pre-packaged food is junk food because the nutritional value has been depleted so much. Would saltine crackers be junk food? What about lunchables? Canned fruit in syrup? Canned chili? Who gets to say & how will the grocery stores know what is junk food? Sorry but that is an asinine bill. It will cost more to implement than it will save. Even in the long run it won't even out, the legislature will have to have a new dept, staff, rules, regulations, redo the entire food stamp system. So the what happens? We tax payers will pay more.

 

 


 

 

 

 

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specialwingz
by Bronze Member on Feb. 20, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Better manners than you, as well.

Quoting Farmlady09:

I ended up in a state where I knew no one, had no family, no vehicle, and with three boys under the age of 10. I managed to claw my way up from living with no electricity, no furniture, no nothing ~ so how about you stop telling me what I know about and what I don't know about. My living expenses now are very low, but that is because instead of blowing money on crap, on 'stuff', on cable and cell phones, on designer clothing and eating out we spent the money on things we 'need'.

What I wish is that mouthy people would spend a LOT less time telling people what they can't do and teach them how. I've spent the past 15 years teaching people, holding classes, and sharing my knowledge on how to do these things instead of wandering around chastizing others for daring to expect people to do better. Gardening and canning, raising meat animals, etc. isn't difficult ~ and it isn't expensive ~  if you know what you're doing.

My ass brays btw ~ he doesn't bark ... but he has far better manners than most people.


Quoting specialwingz:

Your ass is barking up the wrong tree.  I love how you feel the need to "feel" like you are better than me.  I garden to raise my own veggies.  I also can, preserve and cook from scratch.  I've raised my own meat for years.  I grow most of my own herbs abd buy only the few hrbs and spices I can't grow myself.  But, it does NOT make me any better than anyone else the way you seem to think it does you.  So, yeah, you have a stick up your ass too.

I'm just saying that many people do not have the money to buy all the components.  Many do NOT have what you take for granted as "common spices". And MOST don't want chii 3 meals a day for a week.

Not that I wish any ill will towards anyone...but, I really do wish that some of you would fall on some hard times to find out just what it's like.  I've been there, done that, never wanna be there again.  But, most of you who are judging have never been there and are cluleless as a rock.

Quoting Farmlady09:

For the price of a small can filled with mystery meat, corn syrup, $.05 cents worth of spices, and some tomato powder, you can buy a pound of lean ground chuck here. Add a buck for beans, another buck for a can of tomato sauce, and spices most people have in the cupboard and you can make 6 times as much as what is in that can without the fillers ~ and if all you needed was the can you can put the rest in the freezer to use later. Yes, the can is junk.

I'd be happy if they limited what can be purchased to what is on the wic list, fresh fruits/veggies, frozen fruits/veggies not in a sauce, canned fruits and veggies with no added sugar/salt, and meat that doesn't have nitrates ... and no steak or seafood. Basic baking supplies like flour and yeast ~ no boxed mixes. Rice, beans, and spices. If necessary, give people a cookbook and the Ball Canning guide.

I buy coffee and flour at the store. That's about it. Everything else we eat I grow or raise and either can, dehydrate, or freeze it. We live on a retired/disabled military pay ~ and put half of it into savings each month, so by government standards, we are poor. We live in a house that we built, literally, with our own hands, on land we own (and paid for on that retired salary). I have a garden, a well, a septic tank, and solar (also paid for on that salary).

The problem in this country isn't a matter of 'scraping the bottom' or not making enough, it's people who consistently spend more than they earn, want new instead of making do, and who throw things away so they have room to buy more. It's people who 'want' more than one vehicle, 'want' a tv in every room along with every channel available, 'want' every electronic gadget, 'want' the most expensive clothes, etc. ~ and have no comprehension that there is a difference between 'want' and 'need'.

You 'need' a roof ~ but people 'want' a 3500 sq. ft. roof (never mind that the people who settled this country, and many who live all around the world today live under a roof that is under 1000 sq. ft., and many live in homes under 500 sq. ft.). You 'need' food, but 'want' takeout, microwave, just add water, cheap.

People lived for centuries on far less. Most people in the US consume more than twice as much a day as they need, and there is a disturbingly high number who more than quadruple the amount of food they actually need. There are restaurants where you can do that with a single meal. Like it or not, anything that comes in a box or a bag that just needs some water and heated up is junk. If it has extra sugar or salt, it's junk. If it looks like a candy bar, chips, or little cakes ~ it's junk. If it comes in a can and fizzes, it's junk. Even most 'health' foods are junk, especially the diet meals.

Don't worry about me falling off my horse or getting splinters ... I regularly put away enough food for more than a year, every year. The produce costs me nothing but a little time. The meat costs on average $.75 a pound and it is lean, omega balanced, and pasture raised. In addition to that, I have enough left over to supply not only my sons and their families with a good bit, but several elderly neighbors as well ~ and some to local food banks. All it takes is my time. No high horse or stick, just some common sense and making a choice to not go broke buying junk.


Quoting specialwingz:

What you consider junk is merely your opinion.  You also probably have no idea what it's like to have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to make ends meet.  Things happen.  So, I'd be careful about saying you'll never have to climb down.  There's 30M people in our country who thought the same thing.  Shit happens.  Hope you get splinters from that nasty stick you have up your butt.

I've been through hard times.  I worked my ass off to get back to good times.  Hope I never have to go through it again.  But, it certainly taught me humility and compassion for those who do fall on hard times.

Quoting talia-mom:

Yep it is junk.

Per ounce it is not more expensive.  It does involve cooking, but yeah.  That is so often the excuse of these moms.

My ladder is awesome.  I will never have to climb down.  Sorry.   Junk food doesn't need to be provided on food stamps.

I saw coupons for canned chili and thought of getting some for the local pantry.   Wasn't worth what I would pay.   I would get more using coupons and buying pasta or soup.  It's junk and it isn't cheap.


Quoting specialwingz:

Although I do cook everything from scratch, many people don't.  So, a can of chili is JUNK?  Making chili from scratch is way more expensive than the can.  So, people who can't afford to cook everything from scratch are eating "junK" just because it came from a can?  Hope you have a ladder so you don't hurt yourself climbing down off that high horse of yours.

Quoting talia-mom:


I think it is pretty damn obvious canned chili and lunchables are junk food.

But yeah, we should just let people buy whatever they want despite this being a nutrition program.

Quoting gma12.1:

 What guidelines would be used to constitute "junk food" or food with no nutritional value? Some ppl think that if it isn't organic it is juck food, others think that pre-packaged food is junk food because the nutritional value has been depleted so much. Would saltine crackers be junk food? What about lunchables? Canned fruit in syrup? Canned chili? Who gets to say & how will the grocery stores know what is junk food? Sorry but that is an asinine bill. It will cost more to implement than it will save. Even in the long run it won't even out, the legislature will have to have a new dept, staff, rules, regulations, redo the entire food stamp system. So the what happens? We tax payers will pay more.













Farmlady09
by Silver Member on Feb. 20, 2013 at 4:14 PM

I'm not the one telling others about their ass barking ~  


Quoting specialwingz:

Better manners than you, as well.

Quoting Farmlady09:

I ended up in a state where I knew no one, had no family, no vehicle, and with three boys under the age of 10. I managed to claw my way up from living with no electricity, no furniture, no nothing ~ so how about you stop telling me what I know about and what I don't know about. My living expenses now are very low, but that is because instead of blowing money on crap, on 'stuff', on cable and cell phones, on designer clothing and eating out we spent the money on things we 'need'.

What I wish is that mouthy people would spend a LOT less time telling people what they can't do and teach them how. I've spent the past 15 years teaching people, holding classes, and sharing my knowledge on how to do these things instead of wandering around chastizing others for daring to expect people to do better. Gardening and canning, raising meat animals, etc. isn't difficult ~ and it isn't expensive ~  if you know what you're doing.

My ass brays btw ~ he doesn't bark ... but he has far better manners than most people.

 

Quoting specialwingz:

Your ass is barking up the wrong tree.  I love how you feel the need to "feel" like you are better than me.  I garden to raise my own veggies.  I also can, preserve and cook from scratch.  I've raised my own meat for years.  I grow most of my own herbs abd buy only the few hrbs and spices I can't grow myself.  But, it does NOT make me any better than anyone else the way you seem to think it does you.  So, yeah, you have a stick up your ass too.

I'm just saying that many people do not have the money to buy all the components.  Many do NOT have what you take for granted as "common spices". And MOST don't want chii 3 meals a day for a week.

Not that I wish any ill will towards anyone...but, I really do wish that some of you would fall on some hard times to find out just what it's like.  I've been there, done that, never wanna be there again.  But, most of you who are judging have never been there and are cluleless as a rock.

Quoting Farmlady09:

For the price of a small can filled with mystery meat, corn syrup, $.05 cents worth of spices, and some tomato powder, you can buy a pound of lean ground chuck here. Add a buck for beans, another buck for a can of tomato sauce, and spices most people have in the cupboard and you can make 6 times as much as what is in that can without the fillers ~ and if all you needed was the can you can put the rest in the freezer to use later. Yes, the can is junk.

I'd be happy if they limited what can be purchased to what is on the wic list, fresh fruits/veggies, frozen fruits/veggies not in a sauce, canned fruits and veggies with no added sugar/salt, and meat that doesn't have nitrates ... and no steak or seafood. Basic baking supplies like flour and yeast ~ no boxed mixes. Rice, beans, and spices. If necessary, give people a cookbook and the Ball Canning guide.

I buy coffee and flour at the store. That's about it. Everything else we eat I grow or raise and either can, dehydrate, or freeze it. We live on a retired/disabled military pay ~ and put half of it into savings each month, so by government standards, we are poor. We live in a house that we built, literally, with our own hands, on land we own (and paid for on that retired salary). I have a garden, a well, a septic tank, and solar (also paid for on that salary).

The problem in this country isn't a matter of 'scraping the bottom' or not making enough, it's people who consistently spend more than they earn, want new instead of making do, and who throw things away so they have room to buy more. It's people who 'want' more than one vehicle, 'want' a tv in every room along with every channel available, 'want' every electronic gadget, 'want' the most expensive clothes, etc. ~ and have no comprehension that there is a difference between 'want' and 'need'.

You 'need' a roof ~ but people 'want' a 3500 sq. ft. roof (never mind that the people who settled this country, and many who live all around the world today live under a roof that is under 1000 sq. ft., and many live in homes under 500 sq. ft.). You 'need' food, but 'want' takeout, microwave, just add water, cheap.

People lived for centuries on far less. Most people in the US consume more than twice as much a day as they need, and there is a disturbingly high number who more than quadruple the amount of food they actually need. There are restaurants where you can do that with a single meal. Like it or not, anything that comes in a box or a bag that just needs some water and heated up is junk. If it has extra sugar or salt, it's junk. If it looks like a candy bar, chips, or little cakes ~ it's junk. If it comes in a can and fizzes, it's junk. Even most 'health' foods are junk, especially the diet meals.

Don't worry about me falling off my horse or getting splinters ... I regularly put away enough food for more than a year, every year. The produce costs me nothing but a little time. The meat costs on average $.75 a pound and it is lean, omega balanced, and pasture raised. In addition to that, I have enough left over to supply not only my sons and their families with a good bit, but several elderly neighbors as well ~ and some to local food banks. All it takes is my time. No high horse or stick, just some common sense and making a choice to not go broke buying junk.

 

Quoting specialwingz:

What you consider junk is merely your opinion.  You also probably have no idea what it's like to have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to make ends meet.  Things happen.  So, I'd be careful about saying you'll never have to climb down.  There's 30M people in our country who thought the same thing.  Shit happens.  Hope you get splinters from that nasty stick you have up your butt.

I've been through hard times.  I worked my ass off to get back to good times.  Hope I never have to go through it again.  But, it certainly taught me humility and compassion for those who do fall on hard times.

Quoting talia-mom:

Yep it is junk.

Per ounce it is not more expensive.  It does involve cooking, but yeah.  That is so often the excuse of these moms.

My ladder is awesome.  I will never have to climb down.  Sorry.   Junk food doesn't need to be provided on food stamps.

I saw coupons for canned chili and thought of getting some for the local pantry.   Wasn't worth what I would pay.   I would get more using coupons and buying pasta or soup.  It's junk and it isn't cheap.

 

Quoting specialwingz:

Although I do cook everything from scratch, many people don't.  So, a can of chili is JUNK?  Making chili from scratch is way more expensive than the can.  So, people who can't afford to cook everything from scratch are eating "junK" just because it came from a can?  Hope you have a ladder so you don't hurt yourself climbing down off that high horse of yours.

Quoting talia-mom:

 

I think it is pretty damn obvious canned chili and lunchables are junk food.

But yeah, we should just let people buy whatever they want despite this being a nutrition program.

Quoting gma12.1:

 What guidelines would be used to constitute "junk food" or food with no nutritional value? Some ppl think that if it isn't organic it is juck food, others think that pre-packaged food is junk food because the nutritional value has been depleted so much. Would saltine crackers be junk food? What about lunchables? Canned fruit in syrup? Canned chili? Who gets to say & how will the grocery stores know what is junk food? Sorry but that is an asinine bill. It will cost more to implement than it will save. Even in the long run it won't even out, the legislature will have to have a new dept, staff, rules, regulations, redo the entire food stamp system. So the what happens? We tax payers will pay more.

 

 


 

 


 

 


 

 



 

talia-mom
by Gold Member on Feb. 20, 2013 at 4:14 PM
Nope, I do not know you .

But unless you are buying a day old one it doesn't cost more.


Quoting gizmo538:

 Yes, actually I do. You obviously don't know me.


Quoting talia-mom:


You obviously never bake.


 


Quoting gizmo538:


 In Florida they tried to make it where you couldn't buy cake from the bakery on FS, but you could still make one from scratch (if you knew how or if you even had an oven to bake in). After the cake mix, pans (if you didn't have them already) the ingredients that did not come with the cake mix, the icing, decorations (if you wanted any) and candles ... it's cheaper to get one from the bakery.


Quoting specialwingz:


Although I do cook everything from scratch, many people don't.  So, a can of chili is JUNK?  Making chili from scratch is way more expensive than the can.  So, people who can't afford to cook everything from scratch are eating "junK" just because it came from a can?  Hope you have a ladder so you don't hurt yourself climbing down off that high horse of yours.


Quoting talia-mom:


 


I think it is pretty damn obvious canned chili and lunchables are junk food.


But yeah, we should just let people buy whatever they want despite this being a nutrition program.


Quoting gma12.1:


 What guidelines would be used to constitute "junk food" or food with no nutritional value? Some ppl think that if it isn't organic it is juck food, others think that pre-packaged food is junk food because the nutritional value has been depleted so much. Would saltine crackers be junk food? What about lunchables? Canned fruit in syrup? Canned chili? Who gets to say & how will the grocery stores know what is junk food? Sorry but that is an asinine bill. It will cost more to implement than it will save. Even in the long run it won't even out, the legislature will have to have a new dept, staff, rules, regulations, redo the entire food stamp system. So the what happens? We tax payers will pay more.


 


 




 


 


 


 


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specialwingz
by Bronze Member on Feb. 20, 2013 at 4:16 PM

That has nothing to do with manners.  It has everything to do with your ASSumptions.

Quoting Farmlady09:

I'm not the one telling others about their ass barking ~  


Quoting specialwingz:

Better manners than you, as well.

Quoting Farmlady09:

I ended up in a state where I knew no one, had no family, no vehicle, and with three boys under the age of 10. I managed to claw my way up from living with no electricity, no furniture, no nothing ~ so how about you stop telling me what I know about and what I don't know about. My living expenses now are very low, but that is because instead of blowing money on crap, on 'stuff', on cable and cell phones, on designer clothing and eating out we spent the money on things we 'need'.

What I wish is that mouthy people would spend a LOT less time telling people what they can't do and teach them how. I've spent the past 15 years teaching people, holding classes, and sharing my knowledge on how to do these things instead of wandering around chastizing others for daring to expect people to do better. Gardening and canning, raising meat animals, etc. isn't difficult ~ and it isn't expensive ~  if you know what you're doing.

My ass brays btw ~ he doesn't bark ... but he has far better manners than most people.


Quoting specialwingz:

Your ass is barking up the wrong tree.  I love how you feel the need to "feel" like you are better than me.  I garden to raise my own veggies.  I also can, preserve and cook from scratch.  I've raised my own meat for years.  I grow most of my own herbs abd buy only the few hrbs and spices I can't grow myself.  But, it does NOT make me any better than anyone else the way you seem to think it does you.  So, yeah, you have a stick up your ass too.

I'm just saying that many people do not have the money to buy all the components.  Many do NOT have what you take for granted as "common spices". And MOST don't want chii 3 meals a day for a week.

Not that I wish any ill will towards anyone...but, I really do wish that some of you would fall on some hard times to find out just what it's like.  I've been there, done that, never wanna be there again.  But, most of you who are judging have never been there and are cluleless as a rock.

Quoting Farmlady09:

For the price of a small can filled with mystery meat, corn syrup, $.05 cents worth of spices, and some tomato powder, you can buy a pound of lean ground chuck here. Add a buck for beans, another buck for a can of tomato sauce, and spices most people have in the cupboard and you can make 6 times as much as what is in that can without the fillers ~ and if all you needed was the can you can put the rest in the freezer to use later. Yes, the can is junk.

I'd be happy if they limited what can be purchased to what is on the wic list, fresh fruits/veggies, frozen fruits/veggies not in a sauce, canned fruits and veggies with no added sugar/salt, and meat that doesn't have nitrates ... and no steak or seafood. Basic baking supplies like flour and yeast ~ no boxed mixes. Rice, beans, and spices. If necessary, give people a cookbook and the Ball Canning guide.

I buy coffee and flour at the store. That's about it. Everything else we eat I grow or raise and either can, dehydrate, or freeze it. We live on a retired/disabled military pay ~ and put half of it into savings each month, so by government standards, we are poor. We live in a house that we built, literally, with our own hands, on land we own (and paid for on that retired salary). I have a garden, a well, a septic tank, and solar (also paid for on that salary).

The problem in this country isn't a matter of 'scraping the bottom' or not making enough, it's people who consistently spend more than they earn, want new instead of making do, and who throw things away so they have room to buy more. It's people who 'want' more than one vehicle, 'want' a tv in every room along with every channel available, 'want' every electronic gadget, 'want' the most expensive clothes, etc. ~ and have no comprehension that there is a difference between 'want' and 'need'.

You 'need' a roof ~ but people 'want' a 3500 sq. ft. roof (never mind that the people who settled this country, and many who live all around the world today live under a roof that is under 1000 sq. ft., and many live in homes under 500 sq. ft.). You 'need' food, but 'want' takeout, microwave, just add water, cheap.

People lived for centuries on far less. Most people in the US consume more than twice as much a day as they need, and there is a disturbingly high number who more than quadruple the amount of food they actually need. There are restaurants where you can do that with a single meal. Like it or not, anything that comes in a box or a bag that just needs some water and heated up is junk. If it has extra sugar or salt, it's junk. If it looks like a candy bar, chips, or little cakes ~ it's junk. If it comes in a can and fizzes, it's junk. Even most 'health' foods are junk, especially the diet meals.

Don't worry about me falling off my horse or getting splinters ... I regularly put away enough food for more than a year, every year. The produce costs me nothing but a little time. The meat costs on average $.75 a pound and it is lean, omega balanced, and pasture raised. In addition to that, I have enough left over to supply not only my sons and their families with a good bit, but several elderly neighbors as well ~ and some to local food banks. All it takes is my time. No high horse or stick, just some common sense and making a choice to not go broke buying junk.


Quoting specialwingz:

What you consider junk is merely your opinion.  You also probably have no idea what it's like to have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to make ends meet.  Things happen.  So, I'd be careful about saying you'll never have to climb down.  There's 30M people in our country who thought the same thing.  Shit happens.  Hope you get splinters from that nasty stick you have up your butt.

I've been through hard times.  I worked my ass off to get back to good times.  Hope I never have to go through it again.  But, it certainly taught me humility and compassion for those who do fall on hard times.

Quoting talia-mom:

Yep it is junk.

Per ounce it is not more expensive.  It does involve cooking, but yeah.  That is so often the excuse of these moms.

My ladder is awesome.  I will never have to climb down.  Sorry.   Junk food doesn't need to be provided on food stamps.

I saw coupons for canned chili and thought of getting some for the local pantry.   Wasn't worth what I would pay.   I would get more using coupons and buying pasta or soup.  It's junk and it isn't cheap.


Quoting specialwingz:

Although I do cook everything from scratch, many people don't.  So, a can of chili is JUNK?  Making chili from scratch is way more expensive than the can.  So, people who can't afford to cook everything from scratch are eating "junK" just because it came from a can?  Hope you have a ladder so you don't hurt yourself climbing down off that high horse of yours.

Quoting talia-mom:


I think it is pretty damn obvious canned chili and lunchables are junk food.

But yeah, we should just let people buy whatever they want despite this being a nutrition program.

Quoting gma12.1:

 What guidelines would be used to constitute "junk food" or food with no nutritional value? Some ppl think that if it isn't organic it is juck food, others think that pre-packaged food is junk food because the nutritional value has been depleted so much. Would saltine crackers be junk food? What about lunchables? Canned fruit in syrup? Canned chili? Who gets to say & how will the grocery stores know what is junk food? Sorry but that is an asinine bill. It will cost more to implement than it will save. Even in the long run it won't even out, the legislature will have to have a new dept, staff, rules, regulations, redo the entire food stamp system. So the what happens? We tax payers will pay more.
















0Kit0
by Member on Feb. 20, 2013 at 4:17 PM
Exactly. Because cheese is not healthy and neither are some cuts of meat. Definition puhleeeeeze

Quoting radioheid:

 Define "junk food".


I agree with banning the purchase of energy drinks with food stamps. I'm surprised they were ever allowed in the first place.

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gizmo538
by Member on Feb. 20, 2013 at 4:22 PM

 That may be true in some areas, I'm not going to dispute that, but here fresh cakes (and I'm talking the simple cakes with just icing and a "Happy Birthday") are cheaper to buy than to make. Now, if we're talking about the cakes with all the icing decorations/pictures or plastic decorations like Dora the Explorer or something ... then yes, it is cheaper to make from scratch.

Quoting talia-mom:

Nope, I do not know you .

But unless you are buying a day old one it doesn't cost more.


Quoting gizmo538:

 Yes, actually I do. You obviously don't know me.


Quoting talia-mom:


You obviously never bake.


 


Quoting gizmo538:


 In Florida they tried to make it where you couldn't buy cake from the bakery on FS, but you could still make one from scratch (if you knew how or if you even had an oven to bake in). After the cake mix, pans (if you didn't have them already) the ingredients that did not come with the cake mix, the icing, decorations (if you wanted any) and candles ... it's cheaper to get one from the bakery.


Quoting specialwingz:


Although I do cook everything from scratch, many people don't.  So, a can of chili is JUNK?  Making chili from scratch is way more expensive than the can.  So, people who can't afford to cook everything from scratch are eating "junK" just because it came from a can?  Hope you have a ladder so you don't hurt yourself climbing down off that high horse of yours.


Quoting talia-mom:


 


I think it is pretty damn obvious canned chili and lunchables are junk food.


But yeah, we should just let people buy whatever they want despite this being a nutrition program.


Quoting gma12.1:


 What guidelines would be used to constitute "junk food" or food with no nutritional value? Some ppl think that if it isn't organic it is juck food, others think that pre-packaged food is junk food because the nutritional value has been depleted so much. Would saltine crackers be junk food? What about lunchables? Canned fruit in syrup? Canned chili? Who gets to say & how will the grocery stores know what is junk food? Sorry but that is an asinine bill. It will cost more to implement than it will save. Even in the long run it won't even out, the legislature will have to have a new dept, staff, rules, regulations, redo the entire food stamp system. So the what happens? We tax payers will pay more.


 


 




 


 


 


 


 

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Farmlady09
by Silver Member on Feb. 20, 2013 at 4:26 PM
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What assumptions. I stated facts. People in this country are consumers, not producers. People in this country, even the 'poor' live like royalty compared to those who are truly poor. People in this country produce a lot of waste, throw away items just to make room to purchase more, and have almost NO skills that are necessary to just survive if the grocery stores aren't there. Those are the facts about a majority of the population. Some people have those skills, either passed down and learned from family, or because they chose to learn them. Given the number of people that are classified by the government as 'poor', and seeing first hand how endless handouts do squat to end that cycle, I make no assumptions when I say that there is a much better way to fix at least some of the issues.

It's definitely better than telling people they're too stupid to ever be capable of getting out of that rut, too incompetent to handle feeding their family, and that they should just get used to being helpless and cared for ... which is what your words convey. I don't waste time telling people 'they can't' ~ because the vast majority of people 'can'.


Quoting specialwingz:

That has nothing to do with manners.  It has everything to do with your ASSumptions.

Quoting Farmlady09:

I'm not the one telling others about their ass barking ~  

 

Quoting specialwingz:

Better manners than you, as well.

Quoting Farmlady09:

I ended up in a state where I knew no one, had no family, no vehicle, and with three boys under the age of 10. I managed to claw my way up from living with no electricity, no furniture, no nothing ~ so how about you stop telling me what I know about and what I don't know about. My living expenses now are very low, but that is because instead of blowing money on crap, on 'stuff', on cable and cell phones, on designer clothing and eating out we spent the money on things we 'need'.

What I wish is that mouthy people would spend a LOT less time telling people what they can't do and teach them how. I've spent the past 15 years teaching people, holding classes, and sharing my knowledge on how to do these things instead of wandering around chastizing others for daring to expect people to do better. Gardening and canning, raising meat animals, etc. isn't difficult ~ and it isn't expensive ~  if you know what you're doing.

My ass brays btw ~ he doesn't bark ... but he has far better manners than most people.

 

Quoting specialwingz:

Your ass is barking up the wrong tree.  I love how you feel the need to "feel" like you are better than me.  I garden to raise my own veggies.  I also can, preserve and cook from scratch.  I've raised my own meat for years.  I grow most of my own herbs abd buy only the few hrbs and spices I can't grow myself.  But, it does NOT make me any better than anyone else the way you seem to think it does you.  So, yeah, you have a stick up your ass too.

I'm just saying that many people do not have the money to buy all the components.  Many do NOT have what you take for granted as "common spices". And MOST don't want chii 3 meals a day for a week.

Not that I wish any ill will towards anyone...but, I really do wish that some of you would fall on some hard times to find out just what it's like.  I've been there, done that, never wanna be there again.  But, most of you who are judging have never been there and are cluleless as a rock.

Quoting Farmlady09:

For the price of a small can filled with mystery meat, corn syrup, $.05 cents worth of spices, and some tomato powder, you can buy a pound of lean ground chuck here. Add a buck for beans, another buck for a can of tomato sauce, and spices most people have in the cupboard and you can make 6 times as much as what is in that can without the fillers ~ and if all you needed was the can you can put the rest in the freezer to use later. Yes, the can is junk.

I'd be happy if they limited what can be purchased to what is on the wic list, fresh fruits/veggies, frozen fruits/veggies not in a sauce, canned fruits and veggies with no added sugar/salt, and meat that doesn't have nitrates ... and no steak or seafood. Basic baking supplies like flour and yeast ~ no boxed mixes. Rice, beans, and spices. If necessary, give people a cookbook and the Ball Canning guide.

I buy coffee and flour at the store. That's about it. Everything else we eat I grow or raise and either can, dehydrate, or freeze it. We live on a retired/disabled military pay ~ and put half of it into savings each month, so by government standards, we are poor. We live in a house that we built, literally, with our own hands, on land we own (and paid for on that retired salary). I have a garden, a well, a septic tank, and solar (also paid for on that salary).

The problem in this country isn't a matter of 'scraping the bottom' or not making enough, it's people who consistently spend more than they earn, want new instead of making do, and who throw things away so they have room to buy more. It's people who 'want' more than one vehicle, 'want' a tv in every room along with every channel available, 'want' every electronic gadget, 'want' the most expensive clothes, etc. ~ and have no comprehension that there is a difference between 'want' and 'need'.

You 'need' a roof ~ but people 'want' a 3500 sq. ft. roof (never mind that the people who settled this country, and many who live all around the world today live under a roof that is under 1000 sq. ft., and many live in homes under 500 sq. ft.). You 'need' food, but 'want' takeout, microwave, just add water, cheap.

People lived for centuries on far less. Most people in the US consume more than twice as much a day as they need, and there is a disturbingly high number who more than quadruple the amount of food they actually need. There are restaurants where you can do that with a single meal. Like it or not, anything that comes in a box or a bag that just needs some water and heated up is junk. If it has extra sugar or salt, it's junk. If it looks like a candy bar, chips, or little cakes ~ it's junk. If it comes in a can and fizzes, it's junk. Even most 'health' foods are junk, especially the diet meals.

Don't worry about me falling off my horse or getting splinters ... I regularly put away enough food for more than a year, every year. The produce costs me nothing but a little time. The meat costs on average $.75 a pound and it is lean, omega balanced, and pasture raised. In addition to that, I have enough left over to supply not only my sons and their families with a good bit, but several elderly neighbors as well ~ and some to local food banks. All it takes is my time. No high horse or stick, just some common sense and making a choice to not go broke buying junk.

 

Quoting specialwingz:

What you consider junk is merely your opinion.  You also probably have no idea what it's like to have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to make ends meet.  Things happen.  So, I'd be careful about saying you'll never have to climb down.  There's 30M people in our country who thought the same thing.  Shit happens.  Hope you get splinters from that nasty stick you have up your butt.

I've been through hard times.  I worked my ass off to get back to good times.  Hope I never have to go through it again.  But, it certainly taught me humility and compassion for those who do fall on hard times.

Quoting talia-mom:

Yep it is junk.

Per ounce it is not more expensive.  It does involve cooking, but yeah.  That is so often the excuse of these moms.

My ladder is awesome.  I will never have to climb down.  Sorry.   Junk food doesn't need to be provided on food stamps.

I saw coupons for canned chili and thought of getting some for the local pantry.   Wasn't worth what I would pay.   I would get more using coupons and buying pasta or soup.  It's junk and it isn't cheap.

 

Quoting specialwingz:

Although I do cook everything from scratch, many people don't.  So, a can of chili is JUNK?  Making chili from scratch is way more expensive than the can.  So, people who can't afford to cook everything from scratch are eating "junK" just because it came from a can?  Hope you have a ladder so you don't hurt yourself climbing down off that high horse of yours.

Quoting talia-mom:

 

I think it is pretty damn obvious canned chili and lunchables are junk food.

But yeah, we should just let people buy whatever they want despite this being a nutrition program.

Quoting gma12.1:

 What guidelines would be used to constitute "junk food" or food with no nutritional value? Some ppl think that if it isn't organic it is juck food, others think that pre-packaged food is junk food because the nutritional value has been depleted so much. Would saltine crackers be junk food? What about lunchables? Canned fruit in syrup? Canned chili? Who gets to say & how will the grocery stores know what is junk food? Sorry but that is an asinine bill. It will cost more to implement than it will save. Even in the long run it won't even out, the legislature will have to have a new dept, staff, rules, regulations, redo the entire food stamp system. So the what happens? We tax payers will pay more.

 

 


 

 


 

 


 

 


 

 



 

talia-mom
by Gold Member on Feb. 20, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Yep


All the ingredients, which last for years, are more expensive than buy a 7 dollar cake.


Quoting gizmo538:

 That may be true in some areas, I'm not going to dispute that, but here fresh cakes (and I'm talking the simple cakes with just icing and a "Happy Birthday") are cheaper to buy than to make. Now, if we're talking about the cakes with all the icing decorations/pictures or plastic decorations like Dora the Explorer or something ... then yes, it is cheaper to make from scratch.

Quoting talia-mom:

Nope, I do not know you .

But unless you are buying a day old one it doesn't cost more.


Quoting gizmo538:

 Yes, actually I do. You obviously don't know me.


Quoting talia-mom:


You obviously never bake.




Quoting gizmo538:


 In Florida they tried to make it where you couldn't buy cake from the bakery on FS, but you could still make one from scratch (if you knew how or if you even had an oven to bake in). After the cake mix, pans (if you didn't have them already) the ingredients that did not come with the cake mix, the icing, decorations (if you wanted any) and candles ... it's cheaper to get one from the bakery.


Quoting specialwingz:


Although I do cook everything from scratch, many people don't.  So, a can of chili is JUNK?  Making chili from scratch is way more expensive than the can.  So, people who can't afford to cook everything from scratch are eating "junK" just because it came from a can?  Hope you have a ladder so you don't hurt yourself climbing down off that high horse of yours.


Quoting talia-mom:




I think it is pretty damn obvious canned chili and lunchables are junk food.


But yeah, we should just let people buy whatever they want despite this being a nutrition program.


Quoting gma12.1:


 What guidelines would be used to constitute "junk food" or food with no nutritional value? Some ppl think that if it isn't organic it is juck food, others think that pre-packaged food is junk food because the nutritional value has been depleted so much. Would saltine crackers be junk food? What about lunchables? Canned fruit in syrup? Canned chili? Who gets to say & how will the grocery stores know what is junk food? Sorry but that is an asinine bill. It will cost more to implement than it will save. Even in the long run it won't even out, the legislature will have to have a new dept, staff, rules, regulations, redo the entire food stamp system. So the what happens? We tax payers will pay more.








 






 


 



specialwingz
by Bronze Member on Feb. 20, 2013 at 5:17 PM
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That is YOUR assumption.  I never conveyed anything of the kind. I have merely explained how people on low income can't really afford to stock a pantry and spice cabinet the same as those of us who have spent years setting up our kitchens for endless types of cooking.

I never said people shouldn't learn how or try to get themselves out of their situation.  That's your own negativity reading into it.  I have been at the bottom of the barrel.  It's not a fun place to be.  I taught myself how to be self-sufficient.  I have paid off more houses than you will probably ever own in your lifetime.  I have paid off every new car I have ever owned.  I am now retired and completely debt-free.  All I have are the typical utilities to pay every month, which are minimal.  I have taught many people how to save money on groceries and household budgets.  I even have a group that teaches people how to do all this and more.  I also have a well-visited blog.

But, you have no clue who I am or what I do.  All you know is to assume the worst in what I have tried to explain.

But, as I have said from the beginning...those who have never had to do it, just don't get it.  And, they never will until they hit the skids.  And, it CAN happen to ANYONE!

Quoting Farmlady09:

What assumptions. I stated facts. People in this country are consumers, not producers. People in this country, even the 'poor' live like royalty compared to those who are truly poor. People in this country produce a lot of waste, throw away items just to make room to purchase more, and have almost NO skills that are necessary to just survive if the grocery stores aren't there. Those are the facts about a majority of the population. Some people have those skills, either passed down and learned from family, or because they chose to learn them. Given the number of people that are classified by the government as 'poor', and seeing first hand how endless handouts do squat to end that cycle, I make no assumptions when I say that there is a much better way to fix at least some of the issues.

It's definitely better than telling people they're too stupid to ever be capable of getting out of that rut, too incompetent to handle feeding their family, and that they should just get used to being helpless and cared for ... which is what your words convey. I don't waste time telling people 'they can't' ~ because the vast majority of people 'can'.


Quoting specialwingz:

That has nothing to do with manners.  It has everything to do with your ASSumptions.

Quoting Farmlady09:

I'm not the one telling others about their ass barking ~  


Quoting specialwingz:

Better manners than you, as well.

Quoting Farmlady09:

I ended up in a state where I knew no one, had no family, no vehicle, and with three boys under the age of 10. I managed to claw my way up from living with no electricity, no furniture, no nothing ~ so how about you stop telling me what I know about and what I don't know about. My living expenses now are very low, but that is because instead of blowing money on crap, on 'stuff', on cable and cell phones, on designer clothing and eating out we spent the money on things we 'need'.

What I wish is that mouthy people would spend a LOT less time telling people what they can't do and teach them how. I've spent the past 15 years teaching people, holding classes, and sharing my knowledge on how to do these things instead of wandering around chastizing others for daring to expect people to do better. Gardening and canning, raising meat animals, etc. isn't difficult ~ and it isn't expensive ~  if you know what you're doing.

My ass brays btw ~ he doesn't bark ... but he has far better manners than most people.


Quoting specialwingz:

Your ass is barking up the wrong tree.  I love how you feel the need to "feel" like you are better than me.  I garden to raise my own veggies.  I also can, preserve and cook from scratch.  I've raised my own meat for years.  I grow most of my own herbs abd buy only the few hrbs and spices I can't grow myself.  But, it does NOT make me any better than anyone else the way you seem to think it does you.  So, yeah, you have a stick up your ass too.

I'm just saying that many people do not have the money to buy all the components.  Many do NOT have what you take for granted as "common spices". And MOST don't want chii 3 meals a day for a week.

Not that I wish any ill will towards anyone...but, I really do wish that some of you would fall on some hard times to find out just what it's like.  I've been there, done that, never wanna be there again.  But, most of you who are judging have never been there and are cluleless as a rock.

Quoting Farmlady09:

For the price of a small can filled with mystery meat, corn syrup, $.05 cents worth of spices, and some tomato powder, you can buy a pound of lean ground chuck here. Add a buck for beans, another buck for a can of tomato sauce, and spices most people have in the cupboard and you can make 6 times as much as what is in that can without the fillers ~ and if all you needed was the can you can put the rest in the freezer to use later. Yes, the can is junk.

I'd be happy if they limited what can be purchased to what is on the wic list, fresh fruits/veggies, frozen fruits/veggies not in a sauce, canned fruits and veggies with no added sugar/salt, and meat that doesn't have nitrates ... and no steak or seafood. Basic baking supplies like flour and yeast ~ no boxed mixes. Rice, beans, and spices. If necessary, give people a cookbook and the Ball Canning guide.

I buy coffee and flour at the store. That's about it. Everything else we eat I grow or raise and either can, dehydrate, or freeze it. We live on a retired/disabled military pay ~ and put half of it into savings each month, so by government standards, we are poor. We live in a house that we built, literally, with our own hands, on land we own (and paid for on that retired salary). I have a garden, a well, a septic tank, and solar (also paid for on that salary).

The problem in this country isn't a matter of 'scraping the bottom' or not making enough, it's people who consistently spend more than they earn, want new instead of making do, and who throw things away so they have room to buy more. It's people who 'want' more than one vehicle, 'want' a tv in every room along with every channel available, 'want' every electronic gadget, 'want' the most expensive clothes, etc. ~ and have no comprehension that there is a difference between 'want' and 'need'.

You 'need' a roof ~ but people 'want' a 3500 sq. ft. roof (never mind that the people who settled this country, and many who live all around the world today live under a roof that is under 1000 sq. ft., and many live in homes under 500 sq. ft.). You 'need' food, but 'want' takeout, microwave, just add water, cheap.

People lived for centuries on far less. Most people in the US consume more than twice as much a day as they need, and there is a disturbingly high number who more than quadruple the amount of food they actually need. There are restaurants where you can do that with a single meal. Like it or not, anything that comes in a box or a bag that just needs some water and heated up is junk. If it has extra sugar or salt, it's junk. If it looks like a candy bar, chips, or little cakes ~ it's junk. If it comes in a can and fizzes, it's junk. Even most 'health' foods are junk, especially the diet meals.

Don't worry about me falling off my horse or getting splinters ... I regularly put away enough food for more than a year, every year. The produce costs me nothing but a little time. The meat costs on average $.75 a pound and it is lean, omega balanced, and pasture raised. In addition to that, I have enough left over to supply not only my sons and their families with a good bit, but several elderly neighbors as well ~ and some to local food banks. All it takes is my time. No high horse or stick, just some common sense and making a choice to not go broke buying junk.


Quoting specialwingz:

What you consider junk is merely your opinion.  You also probably have no idea what it's like to have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to make ends meet.  Things happen.  So, I'd be careful about saying you'll never have to climb down.  There's 30M people in our country who thought the same thing.  Shit happens.  Hope you get splinters from that nasty stick you have up your butt.

I've been through hard times.  I worked my ass off to get back to good times.  Hope I never have to go through it again.  But, it certainly taught me humility and compassion for those who do fall on hard times.

Quoting talia-mom:

Yep it is junk.

Per ounce it is not more expensive.  It does involve cooking, but yeah.  That is so often the excuse of these moms.

My ladder is awesome.  I will never have to climb down.  Sorry.   Junk food doesn't need to be provided on food stamps.

I saw coupons for canned chili and thought of getting some for the local pantry.   Wasn't worth what I would pay.   I would get more using coupons and buying pasta or soup.  It's junk and it isn't cheap.


Quoting specialwingz:

Although I do cook everything from scratch, many people don't.  So, a can of chili is JUNK?  Making chili from scratch is way more expensive than the can.  So, people who can't afford to cook everything from scratch are eating "junK" just because it came from a can?  Hope you have a ladder so you don't hurt yourself climbing down off that high horse of yours.

Quoting talia-mom:


I think it is pretty damn obvious canned chili and lunchables are junk food.

But yeah, we should just let people buy whatever they want despite this being a nutrition program.

Quoting gma12.1:

 What guidelines would be used to constitute "junk food" or food with no nutritional value? Some ppl think that if it isn't organic it is juck food, others think that pre-packaged food is junk food because the nutritional value has been depleted so much. Would saltine crackers be junk food? What about lunchables? Canned fruit in syrup? Canned chili? Who gets to say & how will the grocery stores know what is junk food? Sorry but that is an asinine bill. It will cost more to implement than it will save. Even in the long run it won't even out, the legislature will have to have a new dept, staff, rules, regulations, redo the entire food stamp system. So the what happens? We tax payers will pay more.



















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