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Another state trying to ban junk food bought with food stamps

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Las Vegas, NV (KTNV) -- There's a push in Texas to ban people from buying junk food and energy drinks with food stamps.

There are currently two legislative bills Texas lawmakers are discussing. One would ban the purchase of junk food with food stamps. The other would ban the purchase of energy drinks.

"We should not be on the one hand using tax dollars to buy junk food and on the other hand using tax dollars to pay for the health-related diseases because of junk food," said state representative Richard Pena Raymond.

Supporters of the bill say those on federal assistance are abusing what their given by purchasing items with no nutritional value.

Both bills are still moving through the legislative process.

by on Feb. 18, 2013 at 5:05 PM
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Farmlady09
by Silver Member on Feb. 20, 2013 at 6:03 PM

My response to you addressed the tone you tossed at me. If you actually have a blog, I wonder how your fans and regular readers would react if they saw your words here ~ where you aren't trying to do anything but tell me what I don't know about myself or my life. You 'assumed' some sort of life of privilege for me and told me to stop talking down to others. Then you accused me of 'assuming'. Sorry, but you own your words.

Like it or not, stating that "most people can't" delivers a pretty powerful message ~ because I've found that given the opportunity to learn, most people can. Those who only get told they "can't" lose all interest in trying. Most people who are treated like they are too dumb to ever learn or accomplish something won't waste their time in a fruitless endeavor. Why should they? That is the absolute worst thing ANY teacher can teach.


Quoting specialwingz:

That is YOUR assumption.  I never conveyed anything of the kind. I have merely explained how people on low income can't really afford to stock a pantry and spice cabinet the same as those of us who have spent years setting up our kitchens for endless types of cooking.

I never said people shouldn't learn how or try to get themselves out of their situation.  That's your own negativity reading into it.  I have been at the bottom of the barrel.  It's not a fun place to be.  I taught myself how to be self-sufficient.  I have paid off more houses than you will probably ever own in your lifetime.  I have paid of every new car I have ever owned.  I am now retired and completely debt-free.  All I have are the typical utilities to pay every month, which are minimal.  I have taught many people how to save money on groceries and household budgets.  I even have a group that teaches people how to do all this and more.  I also have a well-visited blog.

But, you have no clue who I am or what I do.  All you know is to assume the worst in what I have tried to explain.

But, as I have said from the beginning...those who have never had to do it, just don't get it.  and, they never will until they hit the skids.  And, it CAN happen to ANYONE!

Quoting Farmlady09:

What assumptions. I stated facts. People in this country are consumers, not producers. People in this country, even the 'poor' live like royalty compared to those who are truly poor. People in this country produce a lot of waste, throw away items just to make room to purchase more, and have almost NO skills that are necessary to just survive if the grocery stores aren't there. Those are the facts about a majority of the population. Some people have those skills, either passed down and learned from family, or because they chose to learn them. Given the number of people that are classified by the government as 'poor', and seeing first hand how endless handouts do squat to end that cycle, I make no assumptions when I say that there is a much better way to fix at least some of the issues.

It's definitely better than telling people they're too stupid to ever be capable of getting out of that rut, too incompetent to handle feeding their family, and that they should just get used to being helpless and cared for ... which is what your words convey. I don't waste time telling people 'they can't' ~ because the vast majority of people 'can'.

 

Quoting specialwingz:

That has nothing to do with manners.  It has everything to do with your ASSumptions.

Quoting Farmlady09:

I'm not the one telling others about their ass barking ~  

 

Quoting specialwingz:

Better manners than you, as well.

Quoting Farmlady09:

I ended up in a state where I knew no one, had no family, no vehicle, and with three boys under the age of 10. I managed to claw my way up from living with no electricity, no furniture, no nothing ~ so how about you stop telling me what I know about and what I don't know about. My living expenses now are very low, but that is because instead of blowing money on crap, on 'stuff', on cable and cell phones, on designer clothing and eating out we spent the money on things we 'need'.

What I wish is that mouthy people would spend a LOT less time telling people what they can't do and teach them how. I've spent the past 15 years teaching people, holding classes, and sharing my knowledge on how to do these things instead of wandering around chastizing others for daring to expect people to do better. Gardening and canning, raising meat animals, etc. isn't difficult ~ and it isn't expensive ~  if you know what you're doing.

My ass brays btw ~ he doesn't bark ... but he has far better manners than most people.

 

Quoting specialwingz:

Your ass is barking up the wrong tree.  I love how you feel the need to "feel" like you are better than me.  I garden to raise my own veggies.  I also can, preserve and cook from scratch.  I've raised my own meat for years.  I grow most of my own herbs abd buy only the few hrbs and spices I can't grow myself.  But, it does NOT make me any better than anyone else the way you seem to think it does you.  So, yeah, you have a stick up your ass too.

I'm just saying that many people do not have the money to buy all the components.  Many do NOT have what you take for granted as "common spices". And MOST don't want chii 3 meals a day for a week.

Not that I wish any ill will towards anyone...but, I really do wish that some of you would fall on some hard times to find out just what it's like.  I've been there, done that, never wanna be there again.  But, most of you who are judging have never been there and are cluleless as a rock.

Quoting Farmlady09:

For the price of a small can filled with mystery meat, corn syrup, $.05 cents worth of spices, and some tomato powder, you can buy a pound of lean ground chuck here. Add a buck for beans, another buck for a can of tomato sauce, and spices most people have in the cupboard and you can make 6 times as much as what is in that can without the fillers ~ and if all you needed was the can you can put the rest in the freezer to use later. Yes, the can is junk.

I'd be happy if they limited what can be purchased to what is on the wic list, fresh fruits/veggies, frozen fruits/veggies not in a sauce, canned fruits and veggies with no added sugar/salt, and meat that doesn't have nitrates ... and no steak or seafood. Basic baking supplies like flour and yeast ~ no boxed mixes. Rice, beans, and spices. If necessary, give people a cookbook and the Ball Canning guide.

I buy coffee and flour at the store. That's about it. Everything else we eat I grow or raise and either can, dehydrate, or freeze it. We live on a retired/disabled military pay ~ and put half of it into savings each month, so by government standards, we are poor. We live in a house that we built, literally, with our own hands, on land we own (and paid for on that retired salary). I have a garden, a well, a septic tank, and solar (also paid for on that salary).

The problem in this country isn't a matter of 'scraping the bottom' or not making enough, it's people who consistently spend more than they earn, want new instead of making do, and who throw things away so they have room to buy more. It's people who 'want' more than one vehicle, 'want' a tv in every room along with every channel available, 'want' every electronic gadget, 'want' the most expensive clothes, etc. ~ and have no comprehension that there is a difference between 'want' and 'need'.

You 'need' a roof ~ but people 'want' a 3500 sq. ft. roof (never mind that the people who settled this country, and many who live all around the world today live under a roof that is under 1000 sq. ft., and many live in homes under 500 sq. ft.). You 'need' food, but 'want' takeout, microwave, just add water, cheap.

People lived for centuries on far less. Most people in the US consume more than twice as much a day as they need, and there is a disturbingly high number who more than quadruple the amount of food they actually need. There are restaurants where you can do that with a single meal. Like it or not, anything that comes in a box or a bag that just needs some water and heated up is junk. If it has extra sugar or salt, it's junk. If it looks like a candy bar, chips, or little cakes ~ it's junk. If it comes in a can and fizzes, it's junk. Even most 'health' foods are junk, especially the diet meals.

Don't worry about me falling off my horse or getting splinters ... I regularly put away enough food for more than a year, every year. The produce costs me nothing but a little time. The meat costs on average $.75 a pound and it is lean, omega balanced, and pasture raised. In addition to that, I have enough left over to supply not only my sons and their families with a good bit, but several elderly neighbors as well ~ and some to local food banks. All it takes is my time. No high horse or stick, just some common sense and making a choice to not go broke buying junk.

 

Quoting specialwingz:

What you consider junk is merely your opinion.  You also probably have no idea what it's like to have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to make ends meet.  Things happen.  So, I'd be careful about saying you'll never have to climb down.  There's 30M people in our country who thought the same thing.  Shit happens.  Hope you get splinters from that nasty stick you have up your butt.

I've been through hard times.  I worked my ass off to get back to good times.  Hope I never have to go through it again.  But, it certainly taught me humility and compassion for those who do fall on hard times.

Quoting talia-mom:

Yep it is junk.

Per ounce it is not more expensive.  It does involve cooking, but yeah.  That is so often the excuse of these moms.

My ladder is awesome.  I will never have to climb down.  Sorry.   Junk food doesn't need to be provided on food stamps.

I saw coupons for canned chili and thought of getting some for the local pantry.   Wasn't worth what I would pay.   I would get more using coupons and buying pasta or soup.  It's junk and it isn't cheap.

 

Quoting specialwingz:

Although I do cook everything from scratch, many people don't.  So, a can of chili is JUNK?  Making chili from scratch is way more expensive than the can.  So, people who can't afford to cook everything from scratch are eating "junK" just because it came from a can?  Hope you have a ladder so you don't hurt yourself climbing down off that high horse of yours.

Quoting talia-mom:

 

I think it is pretty damn obvious canned chili and lunchables are junk food.

But yeah, we should just let people buy whatever they want despite this being a nutrition program.

Quoting gma12.1:

 What guidelines would be used to constitute "junk food" or food with no nutritional value? Some ppl think that if it isn't organic it is juck food, others think that pre-packaged food is junk food because the nutritional value has been depleted so much. Would saltine crackers be junk food? What about lunchables? Canned fruit in syrup? Canned chili? Who gets to say & how will the grocery stores know what is junk food? Sorry but that is an asinine bill. It will cost more to implement than it will save. Even in the long run it won't even out, the legislature will have to have a new dept, staff, rules, regulations, redo the entire food stamp system. So the what happens? We tax payers will pay more.

 

 


 

 


 

 


 

 


 

 


 

 



 

specialwingz
by Bronze Member on Feb. 20, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Whatever.  You obviously have rocks in your head.  And, I refuse to try to knock sense into a rock.

Quoting Farmlady09:

My response to you addressed the tone you tossed at me. If you actually have a blog, I wonder how your fans and regular readers would react if they saw your words here ~ where you aren't trying to do anything but tell me what I don't know about myself or my life. You 'assumed' some sort of life of privilege for me and told me to stop talking down to others. Then you accused me of 'assuming'. Sorry, but you own your words.

Like it or not, stating that "most people can't" delivers a pretty powerful message ~ because I've found that given the opportunity to learn, most people can. Those who only get told they "can't" lose all interest in trying. Most people who are treated like they are too dumb to ever learn or accomplish something won't waste their time in a fruitless endeavor. Why should they? That is the absolute worst thing ANY teacher can teach.


Quoting specialwingz:

That is YOUR assumption.  I never conveyed anything of the kind. I have merely explained how people on low income can't really afford to stock a pantry and spice cabinet the same as those of us who have spent years setting up our kitchens for endless types of cooking.

I never said people shouldn't learn how or try to get themselves out of their situation.  That's your own negativity reading into it.  I have been at the bottom of the barrel.  It's not a fun place to be.  I taught myself how to be self-sufficient.  I have paid off more houses than you will probably ever own in your lifetime.  I have paid of every new car I have ever owned.  I am now retired and completely debt-free.  All I have are the typical utilities to pay every month, which are minimal.  I have taught many people how to save money on groceries and household budgets.  I even have a group that teaches people how to do all this and more.  I also have a well-visited blog.

But, you have no clue who I am or what I do.  All you know is to assume the worst in what I have tried to explain.

But, as I have said from the beginning...those who have never had to do it, just don't get it.  and, they never will until they hit the skids.  And, it CAN happen to ANYONE!

Quoting Farmlady09:

What assumptions. I stated facts. People in this country are consumers, not producers. People in this country, even the 'poor' live like royalty compared to those who are truly poor. People in this country produce a lot of waste, throw away items just to make room to purchase more, and have almost NO skills that are necessary to just survive if the grocery stores aren't there. Those are the facts about a majority of the population. Some people have those skills, either passed down and learned from family, or because they chose to learn them. Given the number of people that are classified by the government as 'poor', and seeing first hand how endless handouts do squat to end that cycle, I make no assumptions when I say that there is a much better way to fix at least some of the issues.

It's definitely better than telling people they're too stupid to ever be capable of getting out of that rut, too incompetent to handle feeding their family, and that they should just get used to being helpless and cared for ... which is what your words convey. I don't waste time telling people 'they can't' ~ because the vast majority of people 'can'.


Quoting specialwingz:

That has nothing to do with manners.  It has everything to do with your ASSumptions.

Quoting Farmlady09:

I'm not the one telling others about their ass barking ~  


Quoting specialwingz:

Better manners than you, as well.

Quoting Farmlady09:

I ended up in a state where I knew no one, had no family, no vehicle, and with three boys under the age of 10. I managed to claw my way up from living with no electricity, no furniture, no nothing ~ so how about you stop telling me what I know about and what I don't know about. My living expenses now are very low, but that is because instead of blowing money on crap, on 'stuff', on cable and cell phones, on designer clothing and eating out we spent the money on things we 'need'.

What I wish is that mouthy people would spend a LOT less time telling people what they can't do and teach them how. I've spent the past 15 years teaching people, holding classes, and sharing my knowledge on how to do these things instead of wandering around chastizing others for daring to expect people to do better. Gardening and canning, raising meat animals, etc. isn't difficult ~ and it isn't expensive ~  if you know what you're doing.

My ass brays btw ~ he doesn't bark ... but he has far better manners than most people.


Quoting specialwingz:

Your ass is barking up the wrong tree.  I love how you feel the need to "feel" like you are better than me.  I garden to raise my own veggies.  I also can, preserve and cook from scratch.  I've raised my own meat for years.  I grow most of my own herbs abd buy only the few hrbs and spices I can't grow myself.  But, it does NOT make me any better than anyone else the way you seem to think it does you.  So, yeah, you have a stick up your ass too.

I'm just saying that many people do not have the money to buy all the components.  Many do NOT have what you take for granted as "common spices". And MOST don't want chii 3 meals a day for a week.

Not that I wish any ill will towards anyone...but, I really do wish that some of you would fall on some hard times to find out just what it's like.  I've been there, done that, never wanna be there again.  But, most of you who are judging have never been there and are cluleless as a rock.

Quoting Farmlady09:

For the price of a small can filled with mystery meat, corn syrup, $.05 cents worth of spices, and some tomato powder, you can buy a pound of lean ground chuck here. Add a buck for beans, another buck for a can of tomato sauce, and spices most people have in the cupboard and you can make 6 times as much as what is in that can without the fillers ~ and if all you needed was the can you can put the rest in the freezer to use later. Yes, the can is junk.

I'd be happy if they limited what can be purchased to what is on the wic list, fresh fruits/veggies, frozen fruits/veggies not in a sauce, canned fruits and veggies with no added sugar/salt, and meat that doesn't have nitrates ... and no steak or seafood. Basic baking supplies like flour and yeast ~ no boxed mixes. Rice, beans, and spices. If necessary, give people a cookbook and the Ball Canning guide.

I buy coffee and flour at the store. That's about it. Everything else we eat I grow or raise and either can, dehydrate, or freeze it. We live on a retired/disabled military pay ~ and put half of it into savings each month, so by government standards, we are poor. We live in a house that we built, literally, with our own hands, on land we own (and paid for on that retired salary). I have a garden, a well, a septic tank, and solar (also paid for on that salary).

The problem in this country isn't a matter of 'scraping the bottom' or not making enough, it's people who consistently spend more than they earn, want new instead of making do, and who throw things away so they have room to buy more. It's people who 'want' more than one vehicle, 'want' a tv in every room along with every channel available, 'want' every electronic gadget, 'want' the most expensive clothes, etc. ~ and have no comprehension that there is a difference between 'want' and 'need'.

You 'need' a roof ~ but people 'want' a 3500 sq. ft. roof (never mind that the people who settled this country, and many who live all around the world today live under a roof that is under 1000 sq. ft., and many live in homes under 500 sq. ft.). You 'need' food, but 'want' takeout, microwave, just add water, cheap.

People lived for centuries on far less. Most people in the US consume more than twice as much a day as they need, and there is a disturbingly high number who more than quadruple the amount of food they actually need. There are restaurants where you can do that with a single meal. Like it or not, anything that comes in a box or a bag that just needs some water and heated up is junk. If it has extra sugar or salt, it's junk. If it looks like a candy bar, chips, or little cakes ~ it's junk. If it comes in a can and fizzes, it's junk. Even most 'health' foods are junk, especially the diet meals.

Don't worry about me falling off my horse or getting splinters ... I regularly put away enough food for more than a year, every year. The produce costs me nothing but a little time. The meat costs on average $.75 a pound and it is lean, omega balanced, and pasture raised. In addition to that, I have enough left over to supply not only my sons and their families with a good bit, but several elderly neighbors as well ~ and some to local food banks. All it takes is my time. No high horse or stick, just some common sense and making a choice to not go broke buying junk.


Quoting specialwingz:

What you consider junk is merely your opinion.  You also probably have no idea what it's like to have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to make ends meet.  Things happen.  So, I'd be careful about saying you'll never have to climb down.  There's 30M people in our country who thought the same thing.  Shit happens.  Hope you get splinters from that nasty stick you have up your butt.

I've been through hard times.  I worked my ass off to get back to good times.  Hope I never have to go through it again.  But, it certainly taught me humility and compassion for those who do fall on hard times.

Quoting talia-mom:

Yep it is junk.

Per ounce it is not more expensive.  It does involve cooking, but yeah.  That is so often the excuse of these moms.

My ladder is awesome.  I will never have to climb down.  Sorry.   Junk food doesn't need to be provided on food stamps.

I saw coupons for canned chili and thought of getting some for the local pantry.   Wasn't worth what I would pay.   I would get more using coupons and buying pasta or soup.  It's junk and it isn't cheap.


Quoting specialwingz:

Although I do cook everything from scratch, many people don't.  So, a can of chili is JUNK?  Making chili from scratch is way more expensive than the can.  So, people who can't afford to cook everything from scratch are eating "junK" just because it came from a can?  Hope you have a ladder so you don't hurt yourself climbing down off that high horse of yours.

Quoting talia-mom:


I think it is pretty damn obvious canned chili and lunchables are junk food.

But yeah, we should just let people buy whatever they want despite this being a nutrition program.

Quoting gma12.1:

 What guidelines would be used to constitute "junk food" or food with no nutritional value? Some ppl think that if it isn't organic it is juck food, others think that pre-packaged food is junk food because the nutritional value has been depleted so much. Would saltine crackers be junk food? What about lunchables? Canned fruit in syrup? Canned chili? Who gets to say & how will the grocery stores know what is junk food? Sorry but that is an asinine bill. It will cost more to implement than it will save. Even in the long run it won't even out, the legislature will have to have a new dept, staff, rules, regulations, redo the entire food stamp system. So the what happens? We tax payers will pay more.






















Farmlady09
by Silver Member on Feb. 20, 2013 at 6:16 PM

I'm about at the same place as far as you're concerned.  


Quoting specialwingz:

Whatever.  You obviously have rocks in your head.  And, I refuse to try to knock sense into a rock.

Quoting Farmlady09:

My response to you addressed the tone you tossed at me. If you actually have a blog, I wonder how your fans and regular readers would react if they saw your words here ~ where you aren't trying to do anything but tell me what I don't know about myself or my life. You 'assumed' some sort of life of privilege for me and told me to stop talking down to others. Then you accused me of 'assuming'. Sorry, but you own your words.

Like it or not, stating that "most people can't" delivers a pretty powerful message ~ because I've found that given the opportunity to learn, most people can. Those who only get told they "can't" lose all interest in trying. Most people who are treated like they are too dumb to ever learn or accomplish something won't waste their time in a fruitless endeavor. Why should they? That is the absolute worst thing ANY teacher can teach.

 

Quoting specialwingz:

That is YOUR assumption.  I never conveyed anything of the kind. I have merely explained how people on low income can't really afford to stock a pantry and spice cabinet the same as those of us who have spent years setting up our kitchens for endless types of cooking.

I never said people shouldn't learn how or try to get themselves out of their situation.  That's your own negativity reading into it.  I have been at the bottom of the barrel.  It's not a fun place to be.  I taught myself how to be self-sufficient.  I have paid off more houses than you will probably ever own in your lifetime.  I have paid of every new car I have ever owned.  I am now retired and completely debt-free.  All I have are the typical utilities to pay every month, which are minimal.  I have taught many people how to save money on groceries and household budgets.  I even have a group that teaches people how to do all this and more.  I also have a well-visited blog.

But, you have no clue who I am or what I do.  All you know is to assume the worst in what I have tried to explain.

But, as I have said from the beginning...those who have never had to do it, just don't get it.  and, they never will until they hit the skids.  And, it CAN happen to ANYONE!

Quoting Farmlady09:

What assumptions. I stated facts. People in this country are consumers, not producers. People in this country, even the 'poor' live like royalty compared to those who are truly poor. People in this country produce a lot of waste, throw away items just to make room to purchase more, and have almost NO skills that are necessary to just survive if the grocery stores aren't there. Those are the facts about a majority of the population. Some people have those skills, either passed down and learned from family, or because they chose to learn them. Given the number of people that are classified by the government as 'poor', and seeing first hand how endless handouts do squat to end that cycle, I make no assumptions when I say that there is a much better way to fix at least some of the issues.

It's definitely better than telling people they're too stupid to ever be capable of getting out of that rut, too incompetent to handle feeding their family, and that they should just get used to being helpless and cared for ... which is what your words convey. I don't waste time telling people 'they can't' ~ because the vast majority of people 'can'.

 

Quoting specialwingz:

That has nothing to do with manners.  It has everything to do with your ASSumptions.

Quoting Farmlady09:

I'm not the one telling others about their ass barking ~  

 

Quoting specialwingz:

Better manners than you, as well.

Quoting Farmlady09:

I ended up in a state where I knew no one, had no family, no vehicle, and with three boys under the age of 10. I managed to claw my way up from living with no electricity, no furniture, no nothing ~ so how about you stop telling me what I know about and what I don't know about. My living expenses now are very low, but that is because instead of blowing money on crap, on 'stuff', on cable and cell phones, on designer clothing and eating out we spent the money on things we 'need'.

What I wish is that mouthy people would spend a LOT less time telling people what they can't do and teach them how. I've spent the past 15 years teaching people, holding classes, and sharing my knowledge on how to do these things instead of wandering around chastizing others for daring to expect people to do better. Gardening and canning, raising meat animals, etc. isn't difficult ~ and it isn't expensive ~  if you know what you're doing.

My ass brays btw ~ he doesn't bark ... but he has far better manners than most people.

 

Quoting specialwingz:

Your ass is barking up the wrong tree.  I love how you feel the need to "feel" like you are better than me.  I garden to raise my own veggies.  I also can, preserve and cook from scratch.  I've raised my own meat for years.  I grow most of my own herbs abd buy only the few hrbs and spices I can't grow myself.  But, it does NOT make me any better than anyone else the way you seem to think it does you.  So, yeah, you have a stick up your ass too.

I'm just saying that many people do not have the money to buy all the components.  Many do NOT have what you take for granted as "common spices". And MOST don't want chii 3 meals a day for a week.

Not that I wish any ill will towards anyone...but, I really do wish that some of you would fall on some hard times to find out just what it's like.  I've been there, done that, never wanna be there again.  But, most of you who are judging have never been there and are cluleless as a rock.

Quoting Farmlady09:

For the price of a small can filled with mystery meat, corn syrup, $.05 cents worth of spices, and some tomato powder, you can buy a pound of lean ground chuck here. Add a buck for beans, another buck for a can of tomato sauce, and spices most people have in the cupboard and you can make 6 times as much as what is in that can without the fillers ~ and if all you needed was the can you can put the rest in the freezer to use later. Yes, the can is junk.

I'd be happy if they limited what can be purchased to what is on the wic list, fresh fruits/veggies, frozen fruits/veggies not in a sauce, canned fruits and veggies with no added sugar/salt, and meat that doesn't have nitrates ... and no steak or seafood. Basic baking supplies like flour and yeast ~ no boxed mixes. Rice, beans, and spices. If necessary, give people a cookbook and the Ball Canning guide.

I buy coffee and flour at the store. That's about it. Everything else we eat I grow or raise and either can, dehydrate, or freeze it. We live on a retired/disabled military pay ~ and put half of it into savings each month, so by government standards, we are poor. We live in a house that we built, literally, with our own hands, on land we own (and paid for on that retired salary). I have a garden, a well, a septic tank, and solar (also paid for on that salary).

The problem in this country isn't a matter of 'scraping the bottom' or not making enough, it's people who consistently spend more than they earn, want new instead of making do, and who throw things away so they have room to buy more. It's people who 'want' more than one vehicle, 'want' a tv in every room along with every channel available, 'want' every electronic gadget, 'want' the most expensive clothes, etc. ~ and have no comprehension that there is a difference between 'want' and 'need'.

You 'need' a roof ~ but people 'want' a 3500 sq. ft. roof (never mind that the people who settled this country, and many who live all around the world today live under a roof that is under 1000 sq. ft., and many live in homes under 500 sq. ft.). You 'need' food, but 'want' takeout, microwave, just add water, cheap.

People lived for centuries on far less. Most people in the US consume more than twice as much a day as they need, and there is a disturbingly high number who more than quadruple the amount of food they actually need. There are restaurants where you can do that with a single meal. Like it or not, anything that comes in a box or a bag that just needs some water and heated up is junk. If it has extra sugar or salt, it's junk. If it looks like a candy bar, chips, or little cakes ~ it's junk. If it comes in a can and fizzes, it's junk. Even most 'health' foods are junk, especially the diet meals.

Don't worry about me falling off my horse or getting splinters ... I regularly put away enough food for more than a year, every year. The produce costs me nothing but a little time. The meat costs on average $.75 a pound and it is lean, omega balanced, and pasture raised. In addition to that, I have enough left over to supply not only my sons and their families with a good bit, but several elderly neighbors as well ~ and some to local food banks. All it takes is my time. No high horse or stick, just some common sense and making a choice to not go broke buying junk.

 

Quoting specialwingz:

What you consider junk is merely your opinion.  You also probably have no idea what it's like to have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to make ends meet.  Things happen.  So, I'd be careful about saying you'll never have to climb down.  There's 30M people in our country who thought the same thing.  Shit happens.  Hope you get splinters from that nasty stick you have up your butt.

I've been through hard times.  I worked my ass off to get back to good times.  Hope I never have to go through it again.  But, it certainly taught me humility and compassion for those who do fall on hard times.

Quoting talia-mom:

Yep it is junk.

Per ounce it is not more expensive.  It does involve cooking, but yeah.  That is so often the excuse of these moms.

My ladder is awesome.  I will never have to climb down.  Sorry.   Junk food doesn't need to be provided on food stamps.

I saw coupons for canned chili and thought of getting some for the local pantry.   Wasn't worth what I would pay.   I would get more using coupons and buying pasta or soup.  It's junk and it isn't cheap.

 

Quoting specialwingz:

Although I do cook everything from scratch, many people don't.  So, a can of chili is JUNK?  Making chili from scratch is way more expensive than the can.  So, people who can't afford to cook everything from scratch are eating "junK" just because it came from a can?  Hope you have a ladder so you don't hurt yourself climbing down off that high horse of yours.

Quoting talia-mom:

 

I think it is pretty damn obvious canned chili and lunchables are junk food.

But yeah, we should just let people buy whatever they want despite this being a nutrition program.

Quoting gma12.1:

 What guidelines would be used to constitute "junk food" or food with no nutritional value? Some ppl think that if it isn't organic it is juck food, others think that pre-packaged food is junk food because the nutritional value has been depleted so much. Would saltine crackers be junk food? What about lunchables? Canned fruit in syrup? Canned chili? Who gets to say & how will the grocery stores know what is junk food? Sorry but that is an asinine bill. It will cost more to implement than it will save. Even in the long run it won't even out, the legislature will have to have a new dept, staff, rules, regulations, redo the entire food stamp system. So the what happens? We tax payers will pay more.

 

 


 

 


 

 


 

 


 

 


 

 


 

 



 

Ramle6609
by on Feb. 20, 2013 at 7:12 PM
1 mom liked this

YES it should be banned. You would think this would have already been done.

la_bella_vita
by Bella on Feb. 20, 2013 at 9:51 PM

 I agree they shouldn't be able to get energy drinks. As for junk food, I guess it depends.

momtimesx4
by Silver Member on Feb. 20, 2013 at 9:52 PM

Good

OhioforMal
by on Feb. 21, 2013 at 12:31 AM

My issue with ANY form of government assistance isn't what they are buying it with. My issue is the state of their being.

For instance, I  would rather see someone who is working for their food stamps and buy junkfood then someone who sits on their butt all day and buys healthy food with food stamps. My point is, please have a JOB, then go ahead and use government assistance. 

Also, "junk food" is debatable. If you want to be technical about it, almost everything in any grocery store is "junk food" except fruits and vegatables.  

Overall, I am against this law. I am against this law because I agree with a FREE country. Anyone who supports this law obviously agrees with Obama's communistic ways. I  like a FREE country, not a dictatorship!

tambrathegreat
by on Feb. 21, 2013 at 11:09 AM

She confused you with another poster who said she uses canned chili along with other ingredients to make a more healthy meal.  You both have the same font and color.

That being said, the next time someone decides to call a poster a liar, then they ought to at least include the post in which they claim they lied. 

Quoting specialwingz:

I never said I used it.  And, I don't feel it is the best.  Pull your head out of your butt and pay attention.  I'm just saying that not all people can afford all the components.

And, cooking for a living tells me you aren't as far up that ladder as you'd like others to think you are.

Quoting talia-mom:


No, you aren't a gourmet chef if you think canned chili is acceptable as a meal.

I cook for a living, so yeah.  I have never met someone that would use that shit for real food as an addition to feed their family or friends.  I am sure you are a gourmet chef.   Please.   Argue that with someone that isn't someone who cooks for a living.

Quoting specialwingz:

I am a gourmet chef.  So, I don't need your lame-ass "cooking lesson".  And, I don't know where you live. But, a big can of chili is only $1.79 where I live.  A pot of chili can be expensive in a poor household.  When you consider the cost of the meat, the cost of the tomatoe, beans and spices.  By ounce, sure.  But, many households can't afford to stock a spice cabinet and all the individual components.

You answered my question.  You have no clue what it's like to have to make ends meet when there just isn't enough to do so.

Don't judge people if you have never been in their shoes to know what is really happening in their lives and how difficult it can be.

Quoting talia-mom:

 So 2.39 a can for chili is something cheap?

Yeah, I think not.

I will never have to climb down.   Life has been good for my parents and grandparents and us.   Sometimes things just don't breakdown.

I am not insulting you, so I don't know what you are so angry over saying canned chili and lunchables are junk food.  They are.

The cost to feed my family chili is less making it from scratch than buying the cans.   It isn't hard and frankly, it can be done in under 45 minutes.

But I do appreciate someone like you being so angry that I think food stamps should solely provide nutrition.

Quoting specialwingz:

What you consider junk is merely your opinion.  You also probably have no idea what it's like to have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to make ends meet.  Things happen.  So, I'd be careful about saying you'll never have to climb down.  There's 30M people in our country who thought the same thing.  Shit happens.  Hope you get splinters from that nasty stick you have up your butt.

I've been through hard times.  I worked my ass off to get back to good times.  Hope I never have to go through it again.  But, it certainly taught me humility and compassion for those who do fall on hard times.

Quoting talia-mom:

Yep it is junk.

Per ounce it is not more expensive.  It does involve cooking, but yeah.  That is so often the excuse of these moms.

My ladder is awesome.  I will never have to climb down.  Sorry.   Junk food doesn't need to be provided on food stamps.

I saw coupons for canned chili and thought of getting some for the local pantry.   Wasn't worth what I would pay.   I would get more using coupons and buying pasta or soup.  It's junk and it isn't cheap.


Quoting specialwingz:

Although I do cook everything from scratch, many people don't.  So, a can of chili is JUNK?  Making chili from scratch is way more expensive than the can.  So, people who can't afford to cook everything from scratch are eating "junK" just because it came from a can?  Hope you have a ladder so you don't hurt yourself climbing down off that high horse of yours.

Quoting talia-mom:


I think it is pretty damn obvious canned chili and lunchables are junk food.

But yeah, we should just let people buy whatever they want despite this being a nutrition program.

Quoting gma12.1:

 What guidelines would be used to constitute "junk food" or food with no nutritional value? Some ppl think that if it isn't organic it is juck food, others think that pre-packaged food is junk food because the nutritional value has been depleted so much. Would saltine crackers be junk food? What about lunchables? Canned fruit in syrup? Canned chili? Who gets to say & how will the grocery stores know what is junk food? Sorry but that is an asinine bill. It will cost more to implement than it will save. Even in the long run it won't even out, the legislature will have to have a new dept, staff, rules, regulations, redo the entire food stamp system. So the what happens? We tax payers will pay more.















tambrathegreat
by on Feb. 21, 2013 at 11:11 AM


Quoting OhioforMal:

My issue with ANY form of government assistance isn't what they are buying it with. My issue is the state of their being.

For instance, I  would rather see someone who is working for their food stamps and buy junkfood then someone who sits on their butt all day and buys healthy food with food stamps. My point is, please have a JOB, then go ahead and use government assistance. HUH? How is that supposed to work?

Also, "junk food" is debatable. If you want to be technical about it, almost everything in any grocery store is "junk food" except fruits and vegatables.  

Overall, I am against this law. I am against this law because I agree with a FREE country. Anyone who supports this law obviously agrees with Obama's communistic ways. I  like a FREE country, not a dictatorship!



tambrathegreat
by on Feb. 21, 2013 at 11:15 AM


Quoting talia-mom:

 I have never said I am anything other than a caterer that does well and sends my kids to private school.

I have a business that does well.

My husband does well in his career.

My daddy is a farmer that has always done well.

Same thing for pawpaw.

I don't pretend to be anything I am not.  

And yeah, I will say canned chili isn't cheap.   It is much cheaper to make your own because there is leftovers using the same amount of money.

BTW, no one really making chili would ever use tomatoes.That depends on the region you're from in this country.  In my area, chili does contain tomatoes and or tomato paste/ sauce.  In others, it doesn't.  Please get your facts straight before posting.


Quoting specialwingz:

I never said I used it.  And, I don't feel it is the best.  Pull your head out of your butt and pay attention.  I'm just saying that not all people can afford all the components.

And, cooking for a living tells me you aren't as far up that ladder as you'd like others to think you are.

Quoting talia-mom:


No, you aren't a gourmet chef if you think canned chili is acceptable as a meal.

I cook for a living, so yeah.  I have never met someone that would use that shit for real food as an addition to feed their family or friends.  I am sure you are a gourmet chef.   Please.   Argue that with someone that isn't someone who cooks for a living.

Quoting specialwingz:

I am a gourmet chef.  So, I don't need your lame-ass "cooking lesson".  And, I don't know where you live. But, a big can of chili is only $1.79 where I live.  A pot of chili can be expensive in a poor household.  When you consider the cost of the meat, the cost of the tomatoe, beans and spices.  By ounce, sure.  But, many households can't afford to stock a spice cabinet and all the individual components.

You answered my question.  You have no clue what it's like to have to make ends meet when there just isn't enough to do so.

Don't judge people if you have never been in their shoes to know what is really happening in their lives and how difficult it can be.

Quoting talia-mom:

 So 2.39 a can for chili is something cheap?

Yeah, I think not.

I will never have to climb down.   Life has been good for my parents and grandparents and us.   Sometimes things just don't breakdown.

I am not insulting you, so I don't know what you are so angry over saying canned chili and lunchables are junk food.  They are.

The cost to feed my family chili is less making it from scratch than buying the cans.   It isn't hard and frankly, it can be done in under 45 minutes.

But I do appreciate someone like you being so angry that I think food stamps should solely provide nutrition.

Quoting specialwingz:

What you consider junk is merely your opinion.  You also probably have no idea what it's like to have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to make ends meet.  Things happen.  So, I'd be careful about saying you'll never have to climb down.  There's 30M people in our country who thought the same thing.  Shit happens.  Hope you get splinters from that nasty stick you have up your butt.

I've been through hard times.  I worked my ass off to get back to good times.  Hope I never have to go through it again.  But, it certainly taught me humility and compassion for those who do fall on hard times.

Quoting talia-mom:

Yep it is junk.

Per ounce it is not more expensive.  It does involve cooking, but yeah.  That is so often the excuse of these moms.

My ladder is awesome.  I will never have to climb down.  Sorry.   Junk food doesn't need to be provided on food stamps.

I saw coupons for canned chili and thought of getting some for the local pantry.   Wasn't worth what I would pay.   I would get more using coupons and buying pasta or soup.  It's junk and it isn't cheap.


Quoting specialwingz:

Although I do cook everything from scratch, many people don't.  So, a can of chili is JUNK?  Making chili from scratch is way more expensive than the can.  So, people who can't afford to cook everything from scratch are eating "junK" just because it came from a can?  Hope you have a ladder so you don't hurt yourself climbing down off that high horse of yours.

Quoting talia-mom:


I think it is pretty damn obvious canned chili and lunchables are junk food.

But yeah, we should just let people buy whatever they want despite this being a nutrition program.

Quoting gma12.1:

 What guidelines would be used to constitute "junk food" or food with no nutritional value? Some ppl think that if it isn't organic it is juck food, others think that pre-packaged food is junk food because the nutritional value has been depleted so much. Would saltine crackers be junk food? What about lunchables? Canned fruit in syrup? Canned chili? Who gets to say & how will the grocery stores know what is junk food? Sorry but that is an asinine bill. It will cost more to implement than it will save. Even in the long run it won't even out, the legislature will have to have a new dept, staff, rules, regulations, redo the entire food stamp system. So the what happens? We tax payers will pay more.

















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