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Another state trying to ban junk food bought with food stamps

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Las Vegas, NV (KTNV) -- There's a push in Texas to ban people from buying junk food and energy drinks with food stamps.

There are currently two legislative bills Texas lawmakers are discussing. One would ban the purchase of junk food with food stamps. The other would ban the purchase of energy drinks.

"We should not be on the one hand using tax dollars to buy junk food and on the other hand using tax dollars to pay for the health-related diseases because of junk food," said state representative Richard Pena Raymond.

Supporters of the bill say those on federal assistance are abusing what their given by purchasing items with no nutritional value.

Both bills are still moving through the legislative process.

by on Feb. 18, 2013 at 5:05 PM
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talia-mom
by Gold Member on Feb. 18, 2013 at 10:37 PM

 I have never said I am anything other than a caterer that does well and sends my kids to private school.

I have a business that does well.

My husband does well in his career.

My daddy is a farmer that has always done well.

Same thing for pawpaw.

I don't pretend to be anything I am not.  

And yeah, I will say canned chili isn't cheap.   It is much cheaper to make your own because there is leftovers using the same amount of money.

BTW, no one really making chili would ever use tomatoes.


Quoting specialwingz:

I never said I used it.  And, I don't feel it is the best.  Pull your head out of your butt and pay attention.  I'm just saying that not all people can afford all the components.

And, cooking for a living tells me you aren't as far up that ladder as you'd like others to think you are.

Quoting talia-mom:

 

No, you aren't a gourmet chef if you think canned chili is acceptable as a meal.

I cook for a living, so yeah.  I have never met someone that would use that shit for real food as an addition to feed their family or friends.  I am sure you are a gourmet chef.   Please.   Argue that with someone that isn't someone who cooks for a living.

Quoting specialwingz:

I am a gourmet chef.  So, I don't need your lame-ass "cooking lesson".  And, I don't know where you live. But, a big can of chili is only $1.79 where I live.  A pot of chili can be expensive in a poor household.  When you consider the cost of the meat, the cost of the tomatoe, beans and spices.  By ounce, sure.  But, many households can't afford to stock a spice cabinet and all the individual components.

You answered my question.  You have no clue what it's like to have to make ends meet when there just isn't enough to do so.

Don't judge people if you have never been in their shoes to know what is really happening in their lives and how difficult it can be.

Quoting talia-mom:

 So 2.39 a can for chili is something cheap?

Yeah, I think not.

I will never have to climb down.   Life has been good for my parents and grandparents and us.   Sometimes things just don't breakdown.

I am not insulting you, so I don't know what you are so angry over saying canned chili and lunchables are junk food.  They are.

The cost to feed my family chili is less making it from scratch than buying the cans.   It isn't hard and frankly, it can be done in under 45 minutes.

But I do appreciate someone like you being so angry that I think food stamps should solely provide nutrition.

Quoting specialwingz:

What you consider junk is merely your opinion.  You also probably have no idea what it's like to have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to make ends meet.  Things happen.  So, I'd be careful about saying you'll never have to climb down.  There's 30M people in our country who thought the same thing.  Shit happens.  Hope you get splinters from that nasty stick you have up your butt.

I've been through hard times.  I worked my ass off to get back to good times.  Hope I never have to go through it again.  But, it certainly taught me humility and compassion for those who do fall on hard times.

Quoting talia-mom:

Yep it is junk.

Per ounce it is not more expensive.  It does involve cooking, but yeah.  That is so often the excuse of these moms.

My ladder is awesome.  I will never have to climb down.  Sorry.   Junk food doesn't need to be provided on food stamps.

I saw coupons for canned chili and thought of getting some for the local pantry.   Wasn't worth what I would pay.   I would get more using coupons and buying pasta or soup.  It's junk and it isn't cheap.

 

Quoting specialwingz:

Although I do cook everything from scratch, many people don't.  So, a can of chili is JUNK?  Making chili from scratch is way more expensive than the can.  So, people who can't afford to cook everything from scratch are eating "junK" just because it came from a can?  Hope you have a ladder so you don't hurt yourself climbing down off that high horse of yours.

Quoting talia-mom:

 

I think it is pretty damn obvious canned chili and lunchables are junk food.

But yeah, we should just let people buy whatever they want despite this being a nutrition program.

Quoting gma12.1:

 What guidelines would be used to constitute "junk food" or food with no nutritional value? Some ppl think that if it isn't organic it is juck food, others think that pre-packaged food is junk food because the nutritional value has been depleted so much. Would saltine crackers be junk food? What about lunchables? Canned fruit in syrup? Canned chili? Who gets to say & how will the grocery stores know what is junk food? Sorry but that is an asinine bill. It will cost more to implement than it will save. Even in the long run it won't even out, the legislature will have to have a new dept, staff, rules, regulations, redo the entire food stamp system. So the what happens? We tax payers will pay more.

 

 


 

 


 

 


 

 



 

soonergirl980
by Silver Member on Feb. 18, 2013 at 10:38 PM
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The poor have "rights" to buy Red Bulls and Slim Jims?

Quoting MrsImperfect:

I dont understand why the poor have to be put in this box labeled diseased because they cant afford nice things. Or some treats for their kids every once in awhile. Or why the masses have to suffer cause of a few bad eggs. Its the same as back in time when the poor were treated badly by the rich. The servants subjected to humiliation and banned from areas cause theyre poor. We take a few steps forward then back again. We dont live like that for a reason. It was unethical and poor have rights too.



KristenFowles
by Member on Feb. 18, 2013 at 10:38 PM

 I'd support a ban on energy drinks. 

gma12.1
by Member on Feb. 18, 2013 at 10:51 PM
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 You are missing the point. The point is everyone bitches about how taxpayers are footing the bill for ppl on food stamps. Now as a taxpayer I want to know where all the extra money is going to come from to do this. I don't want to have to pay more taxes to implement a new dept, staff, and all the other excess' that the government is going to create. I also don't think the government can do a very good job of making the "nutrious" foods decision, these are the same ppl that tell the schools what are nutrious meals for the kids. Those meals are so filled with calories, carbs, fats, & salt that it is a joke to call them nutrious. So having those same ppl decide what is nutrious is a joke right there. The federal government supplies money for food stamps but so do the states so now you will have to fund 2 complete departments, staff, and all the other excess' that each will have. So now my taxes are going to go up both state and federal.  

Quoting talia-mom:

it will be based on the government's decision since they are the ones providing the food stamps.

People shouldn't use them if this bothers them.

Limiting what is provided still provides food.

 

Quoting gma12.1:

 I don't think canned chili is junk food because I use it with other ingredients to make meals that are nutrious. I am NOT on food stamps either. My point was who is going to decide? Will there be a board of doctors, politicians? Will it be based on what the FDA has to say? Will it be based on the guidelines that our school lunches are (that would be the worst thing they could do)? I want to know how the state is going to pay for the complete overhaul of the food stamp system. How much will I have to pay so that a book can be sent out to each and every place in the state that sells food telling them what can and can't be purchased with food stamps. How much am I going to have to pay for all the extra ppl the government is going to hire to handle this? There is more to this than just banning junk food.

Quoting talia-mom:

 

I think it is pretty damn obvious canned chili and lunchables are junk food.

But yeah, we should just let people buy whatever they want despite this being a nutrition program.

Quoting gma12.1:

 What guidelines would be used to constitute "junk food" or food with no nutritional value? Some ppl think that if it isn't organic it is juck food, others think that pre-packaged food is junk food because the nutritional value has been depleted so much. Would saltine crackers be junk food? What about lunchables? Canned fruit in syrup? Canned chili? Who gets to say & how will the grocery stores know what is junk food? Sorry but that is an asinine bill. It will cost more to implement than it will save. Even in the long run it won't even out, the legislature will have to have a new dept, staff, rules, regulations, redo the entire food stamp system. So the what happens? We tax payers will pay more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

talia-mom
by Gold Member on Feb. 18, 2013 at 10:53 PM

 

I am not missing the point.  The people already hired in the system can program cards to only accept certain foods.

But you know this and just want to let these people get whatever crap they want because it is easier.

 

And no state provides SNAP money.  That is federal.

Now, I don't know if any state has their own program to give foods, but they aren't the same thing as SNAP>

Quoting gma12.1:

 You are missing the point. The point is everyone bitches about how taxpayers are footing the bill for ppl on food stamps. Now as a taxpayer I want to know where all the extra money is going to come from to do this. I don't want to have to pay more taxes to implement a new dept, staff, and all the other excess' that the government is going to create. I also don't think the government can do a very good job of making the "nutrious" foods decision, these are the same ppl that tell the schools what are nutrious meals for the kids. Those meals are so filled with calories, carbs, fats, & salt that it is a joke to call them nutrious. So having those same ppl decide what is nutrious is a joke right there. The federal government supplies money for food stamps but so do the states so now you will have to fund 2 complete departments, staff, and all the other excess' that each will have. So now my taxes are going to go up both state and federal.  

Quoting talia-mom:

it will be based on the government's decision since they are the ones providing the food stamps.

People shouldn't use them if this bothers them.

Limiting what is provided still provides food.

 

Quoting gma12.1:

 I don't think canned chili is junk food because I use it with other ingredients to make meals that are nutrious. I am NOT on food stamps either. My point was who is going to decide? Will there be a board of doctors, politicians? Will it be based on what the FDA has to say? Will it be based on the guidelines that our school lunches are (that would be the worst thing they could do)? I want to know how the state is going to pay for the complete overhaul of the food stamp system. How much will I have to pay so that a book can be sent out to each and every place in the state that sells food telling them what can and can't be purchased with food stamps. How much am I going to have to pay for all the extra ppl the government is going to hire to handle this? There is more to this than just banning junk food.

Quoting talia-mom:

 

I think it is pretty damn obvious canned chili and lunchables are junk food.

But yeah, we should just let people buy whatever they want despite this being a nutrition program.

Quoting gma12.1:

 What guidelines would be used to constitute "junk food" or food with no nutritional value? Some ppl think that if it isn't organic it is juck food, others think that pre-packaged food is junk food because the nutritional value has been depleted so much. Would saltine crackers be junk food? What about lunchables? Canned fruit in syrup? Canned chili? Who gets to say & how will the grocery stores know what is junk food? Sorry but that is an asinine bill. It will cost more to implement than it will save. Even in the long run it won't even out, the legislature will have to have a new dept, staff, rules, regulations, redo the entire food stamp system. So the what happens? We tax payers will pay more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

specialwingz
by Bronze Member on Feb. 18, 2013 at 10:56 PM

My dh happens to like his with tomatoes.  And, there are MANY recipes that call for them.  There are many ways to make chili.  Not just YOUR way.

But, on the more posistive side of things...you and I have catering businesses in common.

Quoting talia-mom:

 I have never said I am anything other than a caterer that does well and sends my kids to private school.

I have a business that does well.

My husband does well in his career.

My daddy is a farmer that has always done well.

Same thing for pawpaw.

I don't pretend to be anything I am not.  

And yeah, I will say canned chili isn't cheap.   It is much cheaper to make your own because there is leftovers using the same amount of money.

BTW, no one really making chili would ever use tomatoes.


Quoting specialwingz:

I never said I used it.  And, I don't feel it is the best.  Pull your head out of your butt and pay attention.  I'm just saying that not all people can afford all the components.

And, cooking for a living tells me you aren't as far up that ladder as you'd like others to think you are.

Quoting talia-mom:


No, you aren't a gourmet chef if you think canned chili is acceptable as a meal.

I cook for a living, so yeah.  I have never met someone that would use that shit for real food as an addition to feed their family or friends.  I am sure you are a gourmet chef.   Please.   Argue that with someone that isn't someone who cooks for a living.

Quoting specialwingz:

I am a gourmet chef.  So, I don't need your lame-ass "cooking lesson".  And, I don't know where you live. But, a big can of chili is only $1.79 where I live.  A pot of chili can be expensive in a poor household.  When you consider the cost of the meat, the cost of the tomatoe, beans and spices.  By ounce, sure.  But, many households can't afford to stock a spice cabinet and all the individual components.

You answered my question.  You have no clue what it's like to have to make ends meet when there just isn't enough to do so.

Don't judge people if you have never been in their shoes to know what is really happening in their lives and how difficult it can be.

Quoting talia-mom:

 So 2.39 a can for chili is something cheap?

Yeah, I think not.

I will never have to climb down.   Life has been good for my parents and grandparents and us.   Sometimes things just don't breakdown.

I am not insulting you, so I don't know what you are so angry over saying canned chili and lunchables are junk food.  They are.

The cost to feed my family chili is less making it from scratch than buying the cans.   It isn't hard and frankly, it can be done in under 45 minutes.

But I do appreciate someone like you being so angry that I think food stamps should solely provide nutrition.

Quoting specialwingz:

What you consider junk is merely your opinion.  You also probably have no idea what it's like to have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to make ends meet.  Things happen.  So, I'd be careful about saying you'll never have to climb down.  There's 30M people in our country who thought the same thing.  Shit happens.  Hope you get splinters from that nasty stick you have up your butt.

I've been through hard times.  I worked my ass off to get back to good times.  Hope I never have to go through it again.  But, it certainly taught me humility and compassion for those who do fall on hard times.

Quoting talia-mom:

Yep it is junk.

Per ounce it is not more expensive.  It does involve cooking, but yeah.  That is so often the excuse of these moms.

My ladder is awesome.  I will never have to climb down.  Sorry.   Junk food doesn't need to be provided on food stamps.

I saw coupons for canned chili and thought of getting some for the local pantry.   Wasn't worth what I would pay.   I would get more using coupons and buying pasta or soup.  It's junk and it isn't cheap.


Quoting specialwingz:

Although I do cook everything from scratch, many people don't.  So, a can of chili is JUNK?  Making chili from scratch is way more expensive than the can.  So, people who can't afford to cook everything from scratch are eating "junK" just because it came from a can?  Hope you have a ladder so you don't hurt yourself climbing down off that high horse of yours.

Quoting talia-mom:


I think it is pretty damn obvious canned chili and lunchables are junk food.

But yeah, we should just let people buy whatever they want despite this being a nutrition program.

Quoting gma12.1:

 What guidelines would be used to constitute "junk food" or food with no nutritional value? Some ppl think that if it isn't organic it is juck food, others think that pre-packaged food is junk food because the nutritional value has been depleted so much. Would saltine crackers be junk food? What about lunchables? Canned fruit in syrup? Canned chili? Who gets to say & how will the grocery stores know what is junk food? Sorry but that is an asinine bill. It will cost more to implement than it will save. Even in the long run it won't even out, the legislature will have to have a new dept, staff, rules, regulations, redo the entire food stamp system. So the what happens? We tax payers will pay more.
















jllcali
by LoyalAndCute on Feb. 18, 2013 at 11:05 PM
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LOL @ the "no one really making chili would ever use tomatoes" that and the comment you made telling someone you don't know they aren't a gourmet chef because they have an opinion on food you don't agree with makes it seem that you enjoy blowing smoke up your own patootie. But no one else is impressed by your feat.

I have came across myriad recipies for chili calling for tomatoes, some of which have been the winner of chili cook offs. In Texas and New Mexico. They must have been making cupcakes I guess.


Quoting talia-mom:

 I have never said I am anything other than a caterer that does well and sends my kids to private school.


I have a business that does well.


My husband does well in his career.


My daddy is a farmer that has always done well.


Same thing for pawpaw.


I don't pretend to be anything I am not.  


And yeah, I will say canned chili isn't cheap.   It is much cheaper to make your own because there is leftovers using the same amount of money.


BTW, no one really making chili would ever use tomatoes.




Quoting specialwingz:


I never said I used it.  And, I don't feel it is the best.  Pull your head out of your butt and pay attention.  I'm just saying that not all people can afford all the components.


And, cooking for a living tells me you aren't as far up that ladder as you'd like others to think you are.


Quoting talia-mom:


 


No, you aren't a gourmet chef if you think canned chili is acceptable as a meal.


I cook for a living, so yeah.  I have never met someone that would use that shit for real food as an addition to feed their family or friends.  I am sure you are a gourmet chef.   Please.   Argue that with someone that isn't someone who cooks for a living.


Quoting specialwingz:


I am a gourmet chef.  So, I don't need your lame-ass "cooking lesson".  And, I don't know where you live. But, a big can of chili is only $1.79 where I live.  A pot of chili can be expensive in a poor household.  When you consider the cost of the meat, the cost of the tomatoe, beans and spices.  By ounce, sure.  But, many households can't afford to stock a spice cabinet and all the individual components.


You answered my question.  You have no clue what it's like to have to make ends meet when there just isn't enough to do so.


Don't judge people if you have never been in their shoes to know what is really happening in their lives and how difficult it can be.


Quoting talia-mom:


 So 2.39 a can for chili is something cheap?


Yeah, I think not.


I will never have to climb down.   Life has been good for my parents and grandparents and us.   Sometimes things just don't breakdown.


I am not insulting you, so I don't know what you are so angry over saying canned chili and lunchables are junk food.  They are.


The cost to feed my family chili is less making it from scratch than buying the cans.   It isn't hard and frankly, it can be done in under 45 minutes.


But I do appreciate someone like you being so angry that I think food stamps should solely provide nutrition.


Quoting specialwingz:


What you consider junk is merely your opinion.  You also probably have no idea what it's like to have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to make ends meet.  Things happen.  So, I'd be careful about saying you'll never have to climb down.  There's 30M people in our country who thought the same thing.  Shit happens.  Hope you get splinters from that nasty stick you have up your butt.


I've been through hard times.  I worked my ass off to get back to good times.  Hope I never have to go through it again.  But, it certainly taught me humility and compassion for those who do fall on hard times.


Quoting talia-mom:


Yep it is junk.


Per ounce it is not more expensive.  It does involve cooking, but yeah.  That is so often the excuse of these moms.


My ladder is awesome.  I will never have to climb down.  Sorry.   Junk food doesn't need to be provided on food stamps.


I saw coupons for canned chili and thought of getting some for the local pantry.   Wasn't worth what I would pay.   I would get more using coupons and buying pasta or soup.  It's junk and it isn't cheap.


 


Quoting specialwingz:


Although I do cook everything from scratch, many people don't.  So, a can of chili is JUNK?  Making chili from scratch is way more expensive than the can.  So, people who can't afford to cook everything from scratch are eating "junK" just because it came from a can?  Hope you have a ladder so you don't hurt yourself climbing down off that high horse of yours.


Quoting talia-mom:


 


I think it is pretty damn obvious canned chili and lunchables are junk food.


But yeah, we should just let people buy whatever they want despite this being a nutrition program.


Quoting gma12.1:


 What guidelines would be used to constitute "junk food" or food with no nutritional value? Some ppl think that if it isn't organic it is juck food, others think that pre-packaged food is junk food because the nutritional value has been depleted so much. Would saltine crackers be junk food? What about lunchables? Canned fruit in syrup? Canned chili? Who gets to say & how will the grocery stores know what is junk food? Sorry but that is an asinine bill. It will cost more to implement than it will save. Even in the long run it won't even out, the legislature will have to have a new dept, staff, rules, regulations, redo the entire food stamp system. So the what happens? We tax payers will pay more.


 


 




 


 




 


 




 


 






 

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jbradford
by on Feb. 18, 2013 at 11:24 PM
As someone on food stamps I feel I have a point in this. First, I hate being on them. I have had to empty out my entire underwear drawer to get them. I stay at home because the cost of putting my kids in daycare plus gas and time would be more than my paycheck. My dh income just isn't enough. Also we don't get much at all from food stamps but I am glad for the help.
That being said, I don't have a problem with "healthy food" restriction. I think that it would accomplish more and redistribute funds effectively to make everyone take and pass a hair follicle test to receive assistance.
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MrsImperfect
by Bronze Member on Feb. 18, 2013 at 11:39 PM
Theyre poor. Not dogs.

Quoting soonergirl980:


The poor have "rights" to buy Red Bulls and Slim Jims?


Quoting MrsImperfect:

I dont understand why the poor have to be put in this box labeled diseased because they cant afford nice things. Or some treats for their kids every once in awhile. Or why the masses have to suffer cause of a few bad eggs. Its the same as back in time when the poor were treated badly by the rich. The servants subjected to humiliation and banned from areas cause theyre poor. We take a few steps forward then back again. We dont live like that for a reason. It was unethical and poor have rights too.




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soonergirl980
by Silver Member on Feb. 18, 2013 at 11:49 PM
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No one has a "right" to junk food. Want junk food buy without tax dollars. Really this "right" to everything under the sun mentality is the downfall of this country.


Quoting MrsImperfect:

Theyre poor. Not dogs.

Quoting soonergirl980:


The poor have "rights" to buy Red Bulls and Slim Jims?


Quoting MrsImperfect:

I dont understand why the poor have to be put in this box labeled diseased because they cant afford nice things. Or some treats for their kids every once in awhile. Or why the masses have to suffer cause of a few bad eggs. Its the same as back in time when the poor were treated badly by the rich. The servants subjected to humiliation and banned from areas cause theyre poor. We take a few steps forward then back again. We dont live like that for a reason. It was unethical and poor have rights too.






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