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Mexico Gov. admits to 27,000 missing

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Mexico admits 27,000 missing; Human Rights Watch protests crisis of ‘disappeared’

 
 

MCCLATCHY NEWSPAPERS

Mexico said Wednesday that it had records of more than 27,000 cases of “disappeared people” that it would make public soon in an effort to clarify the circumstances under which they vanished.

Lia Limon, the country’s deputy interior secretary for human rights, acknowledged the cases hours after Human Rights Watch issued a scathing report that called Mexico the Western Hemisphere’s hot spot for “enforced disappearances,” in which police or the military arrest citizens who are never seen again.

The advocacy group said it had documented 149 cases throughout the country in which witnesses saw police or soldiers take someone into custody only to have the person vanish without a trace. But the group said the number of people who’d disappeared since 2006 was enormous, noting that a provisional list compiled by the attorney general’s office indicated that more than 25,000 people had gone missing during the administration of former President Felipe Calderon, who left office Dec. 1 and is now a visiting fellow at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government.

Limon’s comments, which were made shortly after she met with Human Rights Watch representatives, seemed to confirm that assertion, though it was unclear whether the number she cited comprised only people who’d vanished during the Calderon administration’s frontal assault on drug trafficking or whether it might include some of the 3,000 people who vanished during the country’s so-called dirty war against Marxist guerrillas in the 1960s and ’70s.

Limon described the 27,000 records as a database that contained information about each case. She said it was in the custody of the country’s Center for Analysis, Planning and Information and that that department had promised to pass the information on, according to an account by the newspaper Milenio.

Like many countries in Latin America, Mexico has long faced allegations that its security services often detained people who were never brought to trial and whose detention was never officially acknowledged. When Calderon’s predecessor, Vicente Fox, took office in 2000, he promised to launch a “truth commission” to detail what had happened during the country’s “dirty war,” but such a commission was never formed.

The Human Rights Watch allegations renewed attention on the role of security agents in a significant number of disappearances. The advocacy group called it “the most severe crisis of enforced disappearances in Latin America in decades” and urged President Enrique Pena Nieto’s 11-week-old administration to create a database of missing people to address it.

The group said it had probed 249 cases in depth, and found that 149 of them implicated security and law enforcement agents in the disappearances.

“These crimes were committed by members of every security force involved in public security operations, sometimes acting in conjunction with organized crime,” the report says.

The Calderon administration “ignored this mounting ‘disappearance’ problem” and Mexican authorities “failed to take serious steps to address it,” it says.

Neither Pena Nieto, who was traveling in Costa Rica, nor his top security aides offered an immediate response to the 176-page report, titled “Mexico’s Disappeared: The Enduring Cost of a Crisis Ignored.” Calderon has argued that his attack on drug gangs helped restore order to the country.

Human Rights Watch said the disappearances it had investigated usually followed the same pattern:

“In many cases, these detentions occur in victims’ homes, in front of family members; in others, they take place at security checkpoints, at workplaces or in public venues, such as bars,” the report says. “When victims’ relatives inquire about detainees’ whereabouts at the headquarters of security forces and public prosecutors’ offices, they are told that the detentions never took place.”

Adding to the agony of family members, the prosecutors who are asked to investigate routinely blame the victims, suggesting that they had connections to organized crime or simply ran off for romantic liaisons, the report says. Then they tell the families to conduct searches on their own, sloughing off investigative responsibilities.

When prosecutors do pursue cases, their work is often sloppy. They fail to interview witnesses and suspects, the report says, and don’t bother to visit crime scenes.

Investigators routinely “do not trace victims’ cellphones, track their bank transactions, obtain security camera footage (which is often automatically deleted at regular intervals) or take other time-sensitive actions,” the report says.

Such inaction causes “irreparable loss of information” that could save lives and bring culprits to justice, it added.

“A mother whose son was abducted outside of her home in March 2011 told Human Rights Watch that whenever she met with the investigator in charge of the case, he began their conversation the same way. “He asks me, ‘What new info do you have for me?’ ” the report says.

For relatives of the missing, the searches for their loved ones become “perpetual anguish” that doesn’t end for months or years, or simply remains a wound that doesn’t heal.

The report notes that in at least 20 disappearances of Mexicans in June and July 2011, naval personnel were implicated. The United States works closely with the Mexican navy on drug cases.

In another 13 cases, the Federal Police made the initial arrests. State, local and army units were fingered in the remainder.

In more than 60 cases, security forces appeared to be working in tandem with organized crime groups, it said.

The group cited an incident in late 2011 outside Juarez, in Nuevo Leon state, in which two brothers in the used car business were detained at a police checkpoint. Less than a week later, prosecutors arrested three police officers who “said they had carried out the detention ‘under orders’ of a local crime boss,” the report says.

Human Rights Watch called on Mexico to create “unified, accurate databases of the disappeared,” catalog “unidentified human remains” and try to match the DNA of the remains to those who are missing.

The advocacy group also asked Congress to enact a law that any military or law enforcement agent involved in a disappearance be tried in civilian courts and that suspects not be remanded to military or police holding cells.

by on Feb. 21, 2013 at 11:17 AM
Replies (11-20):
Mipsy
by Bronze Member on Feb. 21, 2013 at 12:01 PM

My dh is a lieutenant at a facility that houses just sex offenders. It's ridiculous what all they get!

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

Yep.  They have it made from what I see.  Not up on prison life in America as I've never known anyone in there, but I know they have a bed, are fed, get their laundry done, and have some sort of a system where they can buy food and cigarettes in between meals.  They can work if they wish, or hang out in the library all day.   


Quoting Mipsy:

Yet people complain our prisons are bad here in US....................

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

It's disgusting and deplorable.  I can't watch movies like that because they sicken me.  I watched a movie just recently called, "Get the Gringo," on Netflix.  It was about an American man being held in a Mexican  prison.  The prison was like nothing I'd ever seen before.  Entire families were living there together!  It was like a `town' they just couldn't leave.  Scores of them were killed by other gang member inmates or the guards mining the place on the daily business.  They ran a prostitution ring in plain sight.   They had to buy their own food from vendors.  They stole money from each other from the drugs they were selling.  It was amazingly awful.


Quoting furbabymum:

 Gosh I wish I could remember the name of the movie we watched. It was from Mexico and the disappearance of women was addressed. Kidnapped, raped and killed by organized crime. Very sad stuff.







mehamil1
by Platinum Member on Feb. 21, 2013 at 12:03 PM

With this shit going on, can you blame Mexicans for illegally coming into the US? Can you honestly call them "criminals" when this is the shit too many of them are escaping? More like refugees. For the love of Christ, what the fuck is going on! 

MeAndTommyLee
by Gold Member on Feb. 21, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Your poor husband.  I would not want to be around those inmates  for anything.  I hope he is paid well, and safe. I hear they watch television, too. 


Quoting Mipsy:

My dh is a lieutenant at a facility that houses just sex offenders. It's ridiculous what all they get!

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

Yep.  They have it made from what I see.  Not up on prison life in America as I've never known anyone in there, but I know they have a bed, are fed, get their laundry done, and have some sort of a system where they can buy food and cigarettes in between meals.  They can work if they wish, or hang out in the library all day.   

 

Quoting Mipsy:

Yet people complain our prisons are bad here in US....................

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

It's disgusting and deplorable.  I can't watch movies like that because they sicken me.  I watched a movie just recently called, "Get the Gringo," on Netflix.  It was about an American man being held in a Mexican  prison.  The prison was like nothing I'd ever seen before.  Entire families were living there together!  It was like a `town' they just couldn't leave.  Scores of them were killed by other gang member inmates or the guards mining the place on the daily business.  They ran a prostitution ring in plain sight.   They had to buy their own food from vendors.  They stole money from each other from the drugs they were selling.  It was amazingly awful.

 

Quoting furbabymum:

 Gosh I wish I could remember the name of the movie we watched. It was from Mexico and the disappearance of women was addressed. Kidnapped, raped and killed by organized crime. Very sad stuff.

 

 


 

 



 

Mipsy
by Bronze Member on Feb. 21, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Yup, they have TV. His pay isn't that great unfortunately and our benefits suck too, but I am happy he has a job

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

Your poor husband.  I would not want to be around those inmates  for anything.  I hope he is paid well, and safe. I hear they watch television, too. 


Quoting Mipsy:

My dh is a lieutenant at a facility that houses just sex offenders. It's ridiculous what all they get!

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

Yep.  They have it made from what I see.  Not up on prison life in America as I've never known anyone in there, but I know they have a bed, are fed, get their laundry done, and have some sort of a system where they can buy food and cigarettes in between meals.  They can work if they wish, or hang out in the library all day.   


Quoting Mipsy:

Yet people complain our prisons are bad here in US....................

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

It's disgusting and deplorable.  I can't watch movies like that because they sicken me.  I watched a movie just recently called, "Get the Gringo," on Netflix.  It was about an American man being held in a Mexican  prison.  The prison was like nothing I'd ever seen before.  Entire families were living there together!  It was like a `town' they just couldn't leave.  Scores of them were killed by other gang member inmates or the guards mining the place on the daily business.  They ran a prostitution ring in plain sight.   They had to buy their own food from vendors.  They stole money from each other from the drugs they were selling.  It was amazingly awful.


Quoting furbabymum:

 Gosh I wish I could remember the name of the movie we watched. It was from Mexico and the disappearance of women was addressed. Kidnapped, raped and killed by organized crime. Very sad stuff.










MeAndTommyLee
by Gold Member on Feb. 21, 2013 at 12:07 PM

I never looked at it that way.  You have a point.  I surely would refuse to raise my children in those conditions.  This is deplorable and criminal in itself.   God help these families because the Mexican government won't.  Sadly, many of the missing are probably dead.


Quoting mehamil1:

With this shit going on, can you blame Mexicans for illegally coming into the US? Can you honestly call them "criminals" when this is the shit too many of them are escaping? More like refugees. For the love of Christ, what the fuck is going on! 


 

MeAndTommyLee
by Gold Member on Feb. 21, 2013 at 12:09 PM
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A sucky job is far better than no job.  I do agree.   


Quoting Mipsy:

Yup, they have TV. His pay isn't that great unfortunately and our benefits suck too, but I am happy he has a job

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

Your poor husband.  I would not want to be around those inmates  for anything.  I hope he is paid well, and safe. I hear they watch television, too. 

 

Quoting Mipsy:

My dh is a lieutenant at a facility that houses just sex offenders. It's ridiculous what all they get!

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

Yep.  They have it made from what I see.  Not up on prison life in America as I've never known anyone in there, but I know they have a bed, are fed, get their laundry done, and have some sort of a system where they can buy food and cigarettes in between meals.  They can work if they wish, or hang out in the library all day.   

 

Quoting Mipsy:

Yet people complain our prisons are bad here in US....................

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

It's disgusting and deplorable.  I can't watch movies like that because they sicken me.  I watched a movie just recently called, "Get the Gringo," on Netflix.  It was about an American man being held in a Mexican  prison.  The prison was like nothing I'd ever seen before.  Entire families were living there together!  It was like a `town' they just couldn't leave.  Scores of them were killed by other gang member inmates or the guards mining the place on the daily business.  They ran a prostitution ring in plain sight.   They had to buy their own food from vendors.  They stole money from each other from the drugs they were selling.  It was amazingly awful.

 

Quoting furbabymum:

 Gosh I wish I could remember the name of the movie we watched. It was from Mexico and the disappearance of women was addressed. Kidnapped, raped and killed by organized crime. Very sad stuff.

 

 


 

 


 

 



 

mehamil1
by Platinum Member on Feb. 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Ya know, movies aren't entirely accurate portrayals of what actually goes on. 

Mexican prisons are pretty bad. Most prisoners there die before they are released. The standards are not high at all. However, too many of the people in Mexican prisons are there for political reasons. Not just for crimes. 

In the United States, we have the highest prison population in the world. It's embarressing. Most of the people in there are there for using drugs. Not dealing or making drugs, using them. We all are aware that this is wrong. However, since too many of our prisons are run by private companies, there's a vested capitalist interest in keeping people locked up. 

We have our own problems. We really do. The standards may be higher in prisons in this country but that is only because we are a first world nation. Our standards are higher because we hold ourselves to a higher standard. The prisons are horrible but they are not like Mexico or other places and that is a good thing. It really truly is. 

I am of the personal opinion that those who are not violent do not belong in prison. Drug users do not belong in prison. But as long as there is a profit motive in keeping people locked up, things will stay the same. Prisoners here do not have it great. The US is known for having the most prisoners and it's embarressing. I read an article on Al Jeezera about it and I felt embarressed. Other people in other nations were reading this and thinking "so much for being the land of the free" - how can we claim that when 2 million people are locked up or under supervision? Especially for things like drugs? 

No. We aren't better when it comes to this matter, prisoners. If we put an end to the drug war and stopped locked up addicts and made the prisons public again instead of private, maybe we could. But not as it stands right now. 

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

It's disgusting and deplorable.  I can't watch movies like that because they sicken me.  I watched a movie just recently called, "Get the Gringo," on Netflix.  It was about an American man being held in a Mexican  prison.  The prison was like nothing I'd ever seen before.  Entire families were living there together!  It was like a `town' they just couldn't leave.  Scores of them were killed by other gang member inmates or the guards mining the place on the daily business.  They ran a prostitution ring in plain sight.   They had to buy their own food from vendors.  They stole money from each other from the drugs they were selling.  It was amazingly awful.

Quoting furbabymum:

 Gosh I wish I could remember the name of the movie we watched. It was from Mexico and the disappearance of women was addressed. Kidnapped, raped and killed by organized crime. Very sad stuff.

mehamil1
by Platinum Member on Feb. 21, 2013 at 12:19 PM

I'm glad you understand. Too many don't. They don't care. And I suspect their not caring is more rooted in racism than in those who break the law. 

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

I never looked at it that way.  You have a point.  I surely would refuse to raise my children in those conditions.  This is deplorable and criminal in itself.   God help these families because the Mexican government won't.  Sadly, many of the missing are probably dead.

Quoting mehamil1:

With this shit going on, can you blame Mexicans for illegally coming into the US? Can you honestly call them "criminals" when this is the shit too many of them are escaping? More like refugees. For the love of Christ, what the fuck is going on! 

MeAndTommyLee
by Gold Member on Feb. 21, 2013 at 12:23 PM
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I am guilty of being extremely hard on illegal immigrants from Mexico.  I don't approve of illegal immigration, but I believe that all peoples have a basic human right to live peacefully  not be terrorized by their government.  Therefore, their right to survive trumps the other. 


Quoting mehamil1:

I'm glad you understand. Too many don't. They don't care. And I suspect their not caring is more rooted in racism than in those who break the law. 

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

I never looked at it that way.  You have a point.  I surely would refuse to raise my children in those conditions.  This is deplorable and criminal in itself.   God help these families because the Mexican government won't.  Sadly, many of the missing are probably dead.

Quoting mehamil1:

With this shit going on, can you blame Mexicans for illegally coming into the US? Can you honestly call them "criminals" when this is the shit too many of them are escaping? More like refugees. For the love of Christ, what the fuck is going on! 


 

mehamil1
by Platinum Member on Feb. 21, 2013 at 12:32 PM

They aren't just fleeing this, but also poverty caused by NAFTA. look into that. So many Mexican farmers were put out because of that legislation. The US caused the influx if undocumented immigrants through policies like that. 

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

I am guilty of being extremely hard on illegal immigrants from Mexico.  I don't approve of illegal immigration, but I believe that all peoples have a basic human right to live peacefully  not be terrorized by their government.  Therefore, their right to survive trumps the other. 

Quoting mehamil1:

I'm glad you understand. Too many don't. They don't care. And I suspect their not caring is more rooted in racism than in those who break the law. 

Quoting MeAndTommyLee:

I never looked at it that way.  You have a point.  I surely would refuse to raise my children in those conditions.  This is deplorable and criminal in itself.   God help these families because the Mexican government won't.  Sadly, many of the missing are probably dead.

Quoting mehamil1:

With this shit going on, can you blame Mexicans for illegally coming into the US? Can you honestly call them "criminals" when this is the shit too many of them are escaping? More like refugees. For the love of Christ, what the fuck is going on! 

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