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NA Juries are Incapable of Trying White People Fairly says GOP Senator

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Top GOP Senator: Native American Juries Are Incapable Of Trying White People Fairly

Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA)

INDIANOLA, Iowa — Republicans have offered a number of reasons why they oppose the Violence Against Women Act. Some think it’s unconstitutional. Others argue that it’s just a meaningless bill with apatriotic title.

On Wednesday, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) added a new one: Native Americans supposedly aren’t capable of holding fair trials.

Last week, Grassley was one of just 22 senators—all Republican men—who voted against reauthorizing VAWA. During a town hall meeting in Indianola on Wednesday, a woman asked him to explain his vote. Grassley responded that the legislation is unconstitutional, a belief shared by at least five of his colleagues.

Since the Constitution guarantees citizens the right to a trial among a jury of peers, Grassley reasoned that white men would be deprived of their rights if those who were accused of violence against Native American women had to appear in a tribal court. “On an Indian reservation, it’s going to be made up of Indians, right?” Grassley said. “So the non-Indian doesn’t get a fair trial.”

GRASSLEY: One provision that non-Native Americans can be tried in tribal court. And why is that a big thing? Because of the constitutionality of it, for two reasons. One, you know how the law is, that if you have a jury, the jury is supposed to be a reflection of society. [...] So you get non-Indians, let me say to make it easy, you get non-Indians going into a reservation and violating a woman. They need to be prosecuted. They aren’t prosecuted. So the idea behind [VAWA] is we’ll try them in tribal court. But under the laws of our land, you got to have a jury that is a reflection of society as a whole, and on an Indian reservation, it’s going to be made up of Indians, right? So the non-Indian doesn’t get a fair trial.

Watch it:

There is actually no requirement that juries reflect “society as a whole.” The Sixth Amendment requires juries to be drawn from the “State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed,” and Supreme Court decisions establish that criminal defendants also have a right to a jury which is “drawn from a fair cross section of the community,” where the trial court convenes to hear their case. But this does not entitle anyone to be tried by a jury that reflects the whole of American society.

A person who is tried in Vermont is likely to have an all-white jury because over 95 percent of Vermont is white. Similarly, a person who commits a crime in the Navajo Nation will face a jury of Native Americans because the population of the local community is made up of Navajo people. There is no reason to believe that Navajo jurors are any less impartial than white Vermonters, and Grassley is wrong to suggest otherwise.

Grassley went to great lengths to tell attendees that he had supported VAWA in the past. “I support 98 percent of what’s in the bill,” he said. If it weren’t for his belief that Native Americans’ are incapable of conducting a fair trial, perhaps he would have voted for it again.

If you want Congress to reauthorize VAWA, sign ThinkProgress’ petition here.

Source: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/02/21/1619501/chuck-grassley-native-americans/


by on Feb. 22, 2013 at 7:51 AM
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jaxTheMomm
by Platinum Member on Feb. 22, 2013 at 9:42 AM
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Everybody prepare to be bombarded with information that proves that white men are the very best kind of men.


mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Feb. 22, 2013 at 9:45 AM
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Oh look the racist chick can't figure what the real problem is.

Quoting Radarma:

 

Quoting mikiemom:

Umm maybe white men should stop raping Native Women - this man is an idiot.

 WTF?!


 

krysstizzle
by DeepThought on Feb. 22, 2013 at 9:46 AM
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Quoting Radarma:

 

Quoting krysstizzle:

What? That's the whole point of this part of the bill and this man's comments, non-indians raping native women or beating and killing them. Native women have rates of violence against them two and a half times higher than foe any other population. At least 86% of that is committed by non-native men. And tribes aren't allowed to prosecute without the bill.

Wtf indeed.


Quoting Radarma:

 


Quoting mikiemom:


Umm maybe white men should stop raping Native Women - this man is an idiot.


 WTF?!

 non native means white yeah?

Stupid statements like that are meant to demonize white men. Nothing more, despicable.

More than 70% of the non-native rapes are by white men. 

Looks like some white men are doing a pretty good job of demonizing themselves. 

The fact that you can hear numbers like this about native women and rape, hear the people who are committing these crimes tend to be white males, and what you latch onto is this crap? Jesus. Fucking ridiculous. 

krysstizzle
by DeepThought on Feb. 22, 2013 at 9:49 AM
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Here is some more context, for those interested:

• Native Americans are more than twice as likely, compared to all other ethnic groups, to experience some form of sexual assault.

• 90 percent of Native women who report being raped also report being physically battered in other ways during the rape, compared to 74 percent of rape survivors in the population as a whole.

• 50 percent of Native women report experiencing other physical injuries in addition to the rape itself, compared to 30 percent in the population as a whole.

• 34 percent of Native women report that a weapon was used during the commission of the rape–a number more than three times that of the general population.

• While most rapes occur within racial groups, this is not true for Native women. More than 86 percent of the offenders are non-Indians, and more than 70 percent are white.

This last statistic matters a great deal.

Because until today, Native women raped by a non-Indian assailant had virtually no recourse. With rare exceptions, only federal law enforcement authorities have had jurisdiction to arrest and prosecute non-Native offenders on tribal lands. And historically, federal authorities have cared little about such cases: Federal authorities routinely decline to prosecute more than 50 percent of all violent crimes committed in Indian Country; the rate of declination is much higher for sexual assault cases.

http://msmagazine.com/blog/2010/07/29/obama-signs-act-to-empower-native-americans-to-fight-rape/

And some more info here


mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Feb. 22, 2013 at 9:52 AM

 

I know right - eye rolling

Quoting jaxTheMomm:

Everybody prepare to be bombarded with information that proves that white men are the very best kind of men.

 


 

Radarma
by "OneDar" on Feb. 22, 2013 at 9:52 AM

Oh trust me, you really don't wanna go there.

http://www.kcra.com/news/Man-32-arrested-in-Suisun-City-girl-s-park-death/-/11797728/18469262/-/xjmvau/-/index.html

When was the last time you saw CURRENT press on a white man raping and killing a black child? 

GTFOOH 

 

 

Quoting krysstizzle:


Quoting Radarma:

 

Quoting krysstizzle:

What? That's the whole point of this part of the bill and this man's comments, non-indians raping native women or beating and killing them. Native women have rates of violence against them two and a half times higher than foe any other population. At least 86% of that is committed by non-native men. And tribes aren't allowed to prosecute without the bill.

Wtf indeed.


Quoting Radarma:

 


Quoting mikiemom:


Umm maybe white men should stop raping Native Women - this man is an idiot.


 WTF?!

 non native means white yeah?

Stupid statements like that are meant to demonize white men. Nothing more, despicable.

More than 70% of the non-native rapes are by white men. 

Looks like some white men are doing a pretty good job of demonizing themselves. 

The fact that you can hear numbers like this about native women and rape, hear the people who are committing these crimes tend to be white males, and what you latch onto is this crap? Jesus. Fucking ridiculous. 

 

jaxTheMomm
by Platinum Member on Feb. 22, 2013 at 9:53 AM
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Don't be dissing the WHITE MAN.

Radarma
by "OneDar" on Feb. 22, 2013 at 9:54 AM

 So white men are just seeking NA women to abuse and rape huh?

Wow, who knew?

mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Feb. 22, 2013 at 9:56 AM

 

The white men who rape are the ones doing the demonizing oh and the racist misogynist congressmen who defend then and want to ensure they can continue their violence against Native women unimpeded. I see you agree with the fucknut senator.

Quoting Radarma:

 

Quoting krysstizzle:

What? That's the whole point of this part of the bill and this man's comments, non-indians raping native women or beating and killing them. Native women have rates of violence against them two and a half times higher than foe any other population. At least 86% of that is committed by non-native men. And tribes aren't allowed to prosecute without the bill.

Wtf indeed.


Quoting Radarma:

 


Quoting mikiemom:


Umm maybe white men should stop raping Native Women - this man is an idiot.


 WTF?!

 non native means white yeah?

Stupid statements like that are meant to demonize white men. Nothing more, despicable.


 

jllcali
by Jane on Feb. 22, 2013 at 10:05 AM
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Non native also includes black, asian, any offender who is not a member of of the tribe.

So you think it's all hunky dory that someone can commit a violent crime on a reservation and get away with it just because you think the bill will "demonize white men". Crimes committed on tribal land will not be prosecuted by non tribal authorities because tribal lands are sovereign territory and only tribal authorities have authority. But if tribal authorities are not permitted to prosecute offenders who are not tribal members, violent offenses can and will go unpunished if they are committed by non natives (ANYONE who is not a tribe member, not just white men) on tribal land.
You need to get past your "things are so unfair for white people attitude" and look at them reality of this particular situation.


Tribal lands are not like military installations where outsiders can be easily kept out.


Quoting Radarma:

 


Quoting krysstizzle:

What? That's the whole point of this part of the bill and this man's comments, non-indians raping native women or beating and killing them. Native women have rates of violence against them two and a half times higher than foe any other population. At least 86% of that is committed by non-native men. And tribes aren't allowed to prosecute without the bill.

Wtf indeed.



Quoting Radarma:


 



Quoting mikiemom:



Umm maybe white men should stop raping Native Women - this man is an idiot.



 WTF?!


 non native means white yeah?

Stupid statements like that are meant to demonize white men. Nothing more, despicable.

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