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NA Juries are Incapable of Trying White People Fairly says GOP Senator

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Top GOP Senator: Native American Juries Are Incapable Of Trying White People Fairly

Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA)

INDIANOLA, Iowa — Republicans have offered a number of reasons why they oppose the Violence Against Women Act. Some think it’s unconstitutional. Others argue that it’s just a meaningless bill with apatriotic title.

On Wednesday, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) added a new one: Native Americans supposedly aren’t capable of holding fair trials.

Last week, Grassley was one of just 22 senators—all Republican men—who voted against reauthorizing VAWA. During a town hall meeting in Indianola on Wednesday, a woman asked him to explain his vote. Grassley responded that the legislation is unconstitutional, a belief shared by at least five of his colleagues.

Since the Constitution guarantees citizens the right to a trial among a jury of peers, Grassley reasoned that white men would be deprived of their rights if those who were accused of violence against Native American women had to appear in a tribal court. “On an Indian reservation, it’s going to be made up of Indians, right?” Grassley said. “So the non-Indian doesn’t get a fair trial.”

GRASSLEY: One provision that non-Native Americans can be tried in tribal court. And why is that a big thing? Because of the constitutionality of it, for two reasons. One, you know how the law is, that if you have a jury, the jury is supposed to be a reflection of society. [...] So you get non-Indians, let me say to make it easy, you get non-Indians going into a reservation and violating a woman. They need to be prosecuted. They aren’t prosecuted. So the idea behind [VAWA] is we’ll try them in tribal court. But under the laws of our land, you got to have a jury that is a reflection of society as a whole, and on an Indian reservation, it’s going to be made up of Indians, right? So the non-Indian doesn’t get a fair trial.

Watch it:

There is actually no requirement that juries reflect “society as a whole.” The Sixth Amendment requires juries to be drawn from the “State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed,” and Supreme Court decisions establish that criminal defendants also have a right to a jury which is “drawn from a fair cross section of the community,” where the trial court convenes to hear their case. But this does not entitle anyone to be tried by a jury that reflects the whole of American society.

A person who is tried in Vermont is likely to have an all-white jury because over 95 percent of Vermont is white. Similarly, a person who commits a crime in the Navajo Nation will face a jury of Native Americans because the population of the local community is made up of Navajo people. There is no reason to believe that Navajo jurors are any less impartial than white Vermonters, and Grassley is wrong to suggest otherwise.

Grassley went to great lengths to tell attendees that he had supported VAWA in the past. “I support 98 percent of what’s in the bill,” he said. If it weren’t for his belief that Native Americans’ are incapable of conducting a fair trial, perhaps he would have voted for it again.

If you want Congress to reauthorize VAWA, sign ThinkProgress’ petition here.

Source: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/02/21/1619501/chuck-grassley-native-americans/


by on Feb. 22, 2013 at 7:51 AM
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FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:18 PM
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This enables the Tribes to hold those who rape NA woman accountable. Regardless of the color of skin of the rapist.

Among other things, of course.

I am not seeing the issue with this.   

Or do some feel that the NA Tribes should hold no jurisdiction at all and all crimes committed against an NA woman should be dealt else where?

Any white person offended by this needs to take a good, long look inward.  There is no reason, none, to be offended.

Naturewoman4
by Platinum Member on Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Sorry, you are so upset over this.  I have to say you & a few others just come around really hating White people.  It's just my opinion of course.  But, that's how you come across.  I understand wanting to discuss a very important issue like this.  But, the thing is about threads like this, that right away mentions "White People", it's kinda upsetting to us that are White.  My husband is a White man.  It kinda doesn't feel that great to hear anyone say "F$$$ing White men or something like that.  Just like it wouldn't feel so great to read a thread/posts that talk about Black or Hispanic or any other race of a male for others that are saying this.  

For me, it just bothers me because I want to say for the most part I agree these types of issues need to to discuss.  But, they never really go over very well.  IMO.  Plus, IMO whenever a White mom on here, wants to talk about something upsetting to her about what a group or single Black male has done (or Hispanic, etc. etc.) then, we get bashed all over the place.  We are called horrible names.  Then, it ends up as a White person myself, we can't talk about it.  Because, that is what happens every single time.  Even if we have the proof, the articles, etc. etc.  For a White person, it's just as upsetting to US to have things like that happening to us.  A White person.  Even some are from our OWN PERSONAL experience, yet we still get bashed & called HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE names, for even bringing it up.  Talk about injustice!! 


Quoting krysstizzle:

It just makes me fucking ill that people can read about the atrocities allowed to go unpunished and STILL be fucking worried about "oh the poor, downtrodden white man". Jesus fucking christ. I can't even wrap my head around that kind of fucked up stupid. 

Shit fuck fuck.



 

chloedee
by Bronze Member on Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:22 PM

What are you talking about? Who has said something horrible about "ALL us white people"? The only generalization made here is by Senator Grassley, who seems to think that Native Americans are incapable of being unbiased or impartial.

Anything else is just pointing out that there is a significant problem of non-Native men assaulting Native women, who have limited to no legal recourse. Why shouldn't we discuss that fact?

Quoting Naturewoman4:

Yes, I will agree this subject needs to be  brought up.  It's how 'some' posters take this opportunity to lump us all in the same group.  That's what upsets me about posts like this.  Let's say we do posts about blacks, whenever we do.  Boy, we better look out for a fight!  Because, we're not able to talk about that.  But, if we put up a post with our evidence, etc.  Doesn't matter as a White person we will be blasted & called all kinds of horrible names.  So, could you tell me what's the difference? 

You see if say a White person really is so fed up with say things that Blacks have done, we are not allowed to even mention it.  Why?  It is just as important, upsetting to us, as it is to people in post like this.  Yet, as a White person I feel we don't dare say how we feel, what has happen to a white person or even ourselves.  But, other races are allowed.  That's what upsets me.

 It's just a sensitive issue all around.  Perhaps, if people can discuss it, WITHOUT taking the opportunity to say just how horrible ALL of us White people are, then it would be different.  But, there are few here on CM that loves posts like this. 


Quoting krysstizzle:

WHY we need to have posts like this? 

Native American women are raped and beat with impunity because of a fucked up situation where a non-native can come onto a reservation and NOT BE PROSECUTED FOR THEIR ACTIONS. Native women are 2 1/2 times more likely than other women to be asssaulted. Most of that (around 80%, as an average of the stats) is by non-natives. And most of THAT is by white males. 

Now tell me we don't need to talk about this. It's abhorrant and disgusting. Did you know all of this before this post? If you did, great. But I'm willing to bet the majority of people (non-native) don't know this. 

Quoting Naturewoman4:

What disturbs me the most is why we keep having posts like this.  Makes me wonder for those that keep putting up posts that inflames the racial tensions already, what is their point?  For those that does this, makes me wonder why are they so obsessed with race?  We see posts about Blacks/AA....then posts about Whites..  Why such hatred for Whites people??? 

 Now I know some will say, "Oh I don't hate ALL White people".....that it isn't my point in posting this.  Yet, how can a White person here on CM NOT think it is?  How can a White person here, not feel uptight & horrible that once again it's the White race that is doing this.  Or with Black posts, how can they not think "ok here we go again, us bad black people"....Sounds to me there is a lot of hatred right here on CM, between Blacks & Whites.  Why?  Why when not everyone of a certain race thinks/feels the same way. 

If a person wants to just discuss an issue, then they are walking on a thin line when posting something like this.  I guess some just want the drama & fight.  But, to me, if someone wants to posts about this.  Well then at least do it in a way/intention of just bringing up the details of crimes/trials that are held on a Tribe.  But, what I see already from the title, is how it will go down here.  Instead why can't we leave the 'race' part of it out in a title.  Even in the discussions. 

 As a White person it does offend me.  I don't want to get into race issues.  Because, it does upset me.  Because, I know there's scum on both sides.  Blacks & Whites.  Just what I hear some people say on here about Whites, it's appalling.  How would Blacks or another race feel, if we then go put up more posts about other races?  How would that make you all feel?  Is that what people on here what to do?  Just has us all go back & forth.  Putting up posts after posts about sh$$ like this?  Making the person who reads it & it's about THEIR race, well I guess we're all just a bunch of sh$$heads. 






Radarma
by "OneDar" on Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:29 PM

 Are you new?

There is MOST ASSUREDLY an anti white vibe on this board; to MANY, all the ills and wrongdoings minorities suffer are because of the big bad evil white man.

And NW, I know just how ya feel.

And this, this right here is offensive, and no one bats an eye.
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by Platinum Member on Feb. 22, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Umm maybe white men should stop raping Native Women - this man is an idiot.

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See, it's become en vogue to not only blame the white guy but to blatantly diss him any chance you get. Apparently, some thinks this endears them to those repressed minorities. :/


 

Quoting chloedee:

What are you talking about? Who has said something horrible about "ALL us white people"? The only generalization made here is by Senator Grassley, who seems to think that Native Americans are incapable of being unbiased or impartial.

Anything else is just pointing out that there is a significant problem of non-Native men assaulting Native women, who have limited to no legal recourse. Why shouldn't we discuss that fact?

Quoting Naturewoman4:

Yes, I will agree this subject needs to be  brought up.  It's how 'some' posters take this opportunity to lump us all in the same group.  That's what upsets me about posts like this.  Let's say we do posts about blacks, whenever we do.  Boy, we better look out for a fight!  Because, we're not able to talk about that.  But, if we put up a post with our evidence, etc.  Doesn't matter as a White person we will be blasted & called all kinds of horrible names.  So, could you tell me what's the difference? 

You see if say a White person really is so fed up with say things that Blacks have done, we are not allowed to even mention it.  Why?  It is just as important, upsetting to us, as it is to people in post like this.  Yet, as a White person I feel we don't dare say how we feel, what has happen to a white person or even ourselves.  But, other races are allowed.  That's what upsets me.

 It's just a sensitive issue all around.  Perhaps, if people can discuss it, WITHOUT taking the opportunity to say just how horrible ALL of us White people are, then it would be different.  But, there are few here on CM that loves posts like this. 

 

Quoting krysstizzle:

WHY we need to have posts like this? 

Native American women are raped and beat with impunity because of a fucked up situation where a non-native can come onto a reservation and NOT BE PROSECUTED FOR THEIR ACTIONS. Native women are 2 1/2 times more likely than other women to be asssaulted. Most of that (around 80%, as an average of the stats) is by non-natives. And most of THAT is by white males. 

Now tell me we don't need to talk about this. It's abhorrant and disgusting. Did you know all of this before this post? If you did, great. But I'm willing to bet the majority of people (non-native) don't know this. 

Quoting Naturewoman4:

What disturbs me the most is why we keep having posts like this.  Makes me wonder for those that keep putting up posts that inflames the racial tensions already, what is their point?  For those that does this, makes me wonder why are they so obsessed with race?  We see posts about Blacks/AA....then posts about Whites..  Why such hatred for Whites people??? 

 Now I know some will say, "Oh I don't hate ALL White people".....that it isn't my point in posting this.  Yet, how can a White person here on CM NOT think it is?  How can a White person here, not feel uptight & horrible that once again it's the White race that is doing this.  Or with Black posts, how can they not think "ok here we go again, us bad black people"....Sounds to me there is a lot of hatred right here on CM, between Blacks & Whites.  Why?  Why when not everyone of a certain race thinks/feels the same way. 

If a person wants to just discuss an issue, then they are walking on a thin line when posting something like this.  I guess some just want the drama & fight.  But, to me, if someone wants to posts about this.  Well then at least do it in a way/intention of just bringing up the details of crimes/trials that are held on a Tribe.  But, what I see already from the title, is how it will go down here.  Instead why can't we leave the 'race' part of it out in a title.  Even in the discussions. 

 As a White person it does offend me.  I don't want to get into race issues.  Because, it does upset me.  Because, I know there's scum on both sides.  Blacks & Whites.  Just what I hear some people say on here about Whites, it's appalling.  How would Blacks or another race feel, if we then go put up more posts about other races?  How would that make you all feel?  Is that what people on here what to do?  Just has us all go back & forth.  Putting up posts after posts about sh$$ like this?  Making the person who reads it & it's about THEIR race, well I guess we're all just a bunch of sh$$heads. 


 

 

 

 

 

FrogSalad
by Sooze on Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Following Grassley's logic, every race/ethnicity can only get a fair trial if the jury consists entirely of people of the same race/ethnicity as the alleged offender.  Somehow, I doubt he sees it that way, though.

He keeps getting elected because he keeps the farm subsidies rolling in, imo.

Naturewoman4
by Platinum Member on Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:34 PM

With all do respect, some of us 'white' people know what bringing this up all means.  It happens here on CM all the time.  My point is, had someone posted up a title talking about Blacks or another race, all out war is going to being.  Just the mentioning of the word "Blacks" in a title. White moms here on CM get blasted all over the place.  All these types of threads are sensitive in nature.  So, a lot of different posts can come out due to these types of threads/posts.  

My main point in saying all this, is that if a White CM puts up a posts about what a Black or group of Blacks did, right away we aren't able to discuss it.  Why?  When we find some things just as appalling, disrespectful, horrible towards US Whites as with any other race.  So, that's ok to discuss things about Whites & not what other races is/have done against us?  That there IS an Injustice as well!


Quoting chloedee:

What are you talking about? Who has said something horrible about "ALL us white people"? The only generalization made here is by Senator Grassley, who seems to think that Native Americans are incapable of being unbiased or impartial.

Anything else is just pointing out that there is a significant problem of non-Native men assaulting Native women, who have limited to no legal recourse. Why shouldn't we discuss that fact?

Quoting Naturewoman4:

Yes, I will agree this subject needs to be  brought up.  It's how 'some' posters take this opportunity to lump us all in the same group.  That's what upsets me about posts like this.  Let's say we do posts about blacks, whenever we do.  Boy, we better look out for a fight!  Because, we're not able to talk about that.  But, if we put up a post with our evidence, etc.  Doesn't matter as a White person we will be blasted & called all kinds of horrible names.  So, could you tell me what's the difference? 

You see if say a White person really is so fed up with say things that Blacks have done, we are not allowed to even mention it.  Why?  It is just as important, upsetting to us, as it is to people in post like this.  Yet, as a White person I feel we don't dare say how we feel, what has happen to a white person or even ourselves.  But, other races are allowed.  That's what upsets me.

 It's just a sensitive issue all around.  Perhaps, if people can discuss it, WITHOUT taking the opportunity to say just how horrible ALL of us White people are, then it would be different.  But, there are few here on CM that loves posts like this. 

 

Quoting krysstizzle:

WHY we need to have posts like this? 

Native American women are raped and beat with impunity because of a fucked up situation where a non-native can come onto a reservation and NOT BE PROSECUTED FOR THEIR ACTIONS. Native women are 2 1/2 times more likely than other women to be asssaulted. Most of that (around 80%, as an average of the stats) is by non-natives. And most of THAT is by white males. 

Now tell me we don't need to talk about this. It's abhorrant and disgusting. Did you know all of this before this post? If you did, great. But I'm willing to bet the majority of people (non-native) don't know this. 

Quoting Naturewoman4:

What disturbs me the most is why we keep having posts like this.  Makes me wonder for those that keep putting up posts that inflames the racial tensions already, what is their point?  For those that does this, makes me wonder why are they so obsessed with race?  We see posts about Blacks/AA....then posts about Whites..  Why such hatred for Whites people??? 

 Now I know some will say, "Oh I don't hate ALL White people".....that it isn't my point in posting this.  Yet, how can a White person here on CM NOT think it is?  How can a White person here, not feel uptight & horrible that once again it's the White race that is doing this.  Or with Black posts, how can they not think "ok here we go again, us bad black people"....Sounds to me there is a lot of hatred right here on CM, between Blacks & Whites.  Why?  Why when not everyone of a certain race thinks/feels the same way. 

If a person wants to just discuss an issue, then they are walking on a thin line when posting something like this.  I guess some just want the drama & fight.  But, to me, if someone wants to posts about this.  Well then at least do it in a way/intention of just bringing up the details of crimes/trials that are held on a Tribe.  But, what I see already from the title, is how it will go down here.  Instead why can't we leave the 'race' part of it out in a title.  Even in the discussions. 

 As a White person it does offend me.  I don't want to get into race issues.  Because, it does upset me.  Because, I know there's scum on both sides.  Blacks & Whites.  Just what I hear some people say on here about Whites, it's appalling.  How would Blacks or another race feel, if we then go put up more posts about other races?  How would that make you all feel?  Is that what people on here what to do?  Just has us all go back & forth.  Putting up posts after posts about sh$$ like this?  Making the person who reads it & it's about THEIR race, well I guess we're all just a bunch of sh$$heads. 


 

 

 

 


 

furbabymum
by Gold Member on Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:35 PM

 I know little about the reservations not in my area so I just can't comment I suppose. I know it's a culture thing on the rez near here. It's culturally acceptable to do things on the rez that "white" America would be stunned by. So I just see the stats not being accurate at all because they simply can't be with the way the culture is.

Quoting krysstizzle:

From what I can gather, both from stats, surveys, and personal experience, the stats hold as true as any other. Violence, from domestic abuse to rape, is under reported anyway, particularly on reservations. Many of the sources that collect this information include both reported crimes and surveys of samples of women. 

And 'keeping it in the family' (in regards to domestic violence) is true across all ethnicities. That won't skew the numbers when talking comparitively. And, just anecdotaly, I don't see rapes by non-family natives being reported any less than rapes by non-natives. They're both under reported.

Quoting furbabymum:

 I think the stats are hogwash because most natives DO NOT report crimes committed by their own. A lot of the crime committed (that I've had knowledge of) is kept within a family and is almost never reported. Those that do report are then shamed and ostrasized. It discourages others from reporting. It's much easier to report a crime a non-native has done.

Not saying non-natives should get away with anything though. I just don't believe the stats.

Quoting krysstizzle:

WHY we need to have posts like this? 

Native American women are raped and beat with impunity because of a fucked up situation where a non-native can come onto a reservation and NOT BE PROSECUTED FOR THEIR ACTIONS. Native women are 2 1/2 times more likely than other women to be asssaulted. Most of that (around 80%, as an average of the stats) is by non-natives. And most of THAT is by white males. 

Now tell me we don't need to talk about this. It's abhorrant and disgusting. Did you know all of this before this post? If you did, great. But I'm willing to bet the majority of people (non-native) don't know this. 

Quoting Naturewoman4:

What disturbs me the most is why we keep having posts like this.  Makes me wonder for those that keep putting up posts that inflames the racial tensions already, what is their point?  For those that does this, makes me wonder why are they so obsessed with race?  We see posts about Blacks/AA....then posts about Whites..  Why such hatred for Whites people??? 

 Now I know some will say, "Oh I don't hate ALL White people".....that it isn't my point in posting this.  Yet, how can a White person here on CM NOT think it is?  How can a White person here, not feel uptight & horrible that once again it's the White race that is doing this.  Or with Black posts, how can they not think "ok here we go again, us bad black people"....Sounds to me there is a lot of hatred right here on CM, between Blacks & Whites.  Why?  Why when not everyone of a certain race thinks/feels the same way. 

If a person wants to just discuss an issue, then they are walking on a thin line when posting something like this.  I guess some just want the drama & fight.  But, to me, if someone wants to posts about this.  Well then at least do it in a way/intention of just bringing up the details of crimes/trials that are held on a Tribe.  But, what I see already from the title, is how it will go down here.  Instead why can't we leave the 'race' part of it out in a title.  Even in the discussions. 

 As a White person it does offend me.  I don't want to get into race issues.  Because, it does upset me.  Because, I know there's scum on both sides.  Blacks & Whites.  Just what I hear some people say on here about Whites, it's appalling.  How would Blacks or another race feel, if we then go put up more posts about other races?  How would that make you all feel?  Is that what people on here what to do?  Just has us all go back & forth.  Putting up posts after posts about sh$$ like this?  Making the person who reads it & it's about THEIR race, well I guess we're all just a bunch of sh$$heads. 


 


 

mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:39 PM
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There is not an anti-white vibe on this board, there is an anti-racist   vibe on this board though. We call out racists  when we see them.

I'm white lol

Quoting Radarma:

 Are you new?

There is MOST ASSUREDLY an anti white vibe on this board; to MANY, all the ills and wrongdoings minorities suffer are because of the big bad evil white man.

And NW, I know just how ya feel.

And this, this right here is offensive, and no one bats an eye.
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by Platinum Member on Feb. 22, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Umm maybe white men should stop raping Native Women - this man is an idiot.

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See, it's become en vogue to not only blame the white guy but to blatantly diss him any chance you get. Apparently, some thinks this endears them to those repressed minorities. :/


 

Quoting chloedee:

What are you talking about? Who has said something horrible about "ALL us white people"? The only generalization made here is by Senator Grassley, who seems to think that Native Americans are incapable of being unbiased or impartial.

Anything else is just pointing out that there is a significant problem of non-Native men assaulting Native women, who have limited to no legal recourse. Why shouldn't we discuss that fact?

Quoting Naturewoman4:

Yes, I will agree this subject needs to be  brought up.  It's how 'some' posters take this opportunity to lump us all in the same group.  That's what upsets me about posts like this.  Let's say we do posts about blacks, whenever we do.  Boy, we better look out for a fight!  Because, we're not able to talk about that.  But, if we put up a post with our evidence, etc.  Doesn't matter as a White person we will be blasted & called all kinds of horrible names.  So, could you tell me what's the difference? 

You see if say a White person really is so fed up with say things that Blacks have done, we are not allowed to even mention it.  Why?  It is just as important, upsetting to us, as it is to people in post like this.  Yet, as a White person I feel we don't dare say how we feel, what has happen to a white person or even ourselves.  But, other races are allowed.  That's what upsets me.

 It's just a sensitive issue all around.  Perhaps, if people can discuss it, WITHOUT taking the opportunity to say just how horrible ALL of us White people are, then it would be different.  But, there are few here on CM that loves posts like this. 

 

Quoting krysstizzle:

WHY we need to have posts like this? 

Native American women are raped and beat with impunity because of a fucked up situation where a non-native can come onto a reservation and NOT BE PROSECUTED FOR THEIR ACTIONS. Native women are 2 1/2 times more likely than other women to be asssaulted. Most of that (around 80%, as an average of the stats) is by non-natives. And most of THAT is by white males. 

Now tell me we don't need to talk about this. It's abhorrant and disgusting. Did you know all of this before this post? If you did, great. But I'm willing to bet the majority of people (non-native) don't know this. 

Quoting Naturewoman4:

What disturbs me the most is why we keep having posts like this.  Makes me wonder for those that keep putting up posts that inflames the racial tensions already, what is their point?  For those that does this, makes me wonder why are they so obsessed with race?  We see posts about Blacks/AA....then posts about Whites..  Why such hatred for Whites people??? 

 Now I know some will say, "Oh I don't hate ALL White people".....that it isn't my point in posting this.  Yet, how can a White person here on CM NOT think it is?  How can a White person here, not feel uptight & horrible that once again it's the White race that is doing this.  Or with Black posts, how can they not think "ok here we go again, us bad black people"....Sounds to me there is a lot of hatred right here on CM, between Blacks & Whites.  Why?  Why when not everyone of a certain race thinks/feels the same way. 

If a person wants to just discuss an issue, then they are walking on a thin line when posting something like this.  I guess some just want the drama & fight.  But, to me, if someone wants to posts about this.  Well then at least do it in a way/intention of just bringing up the details of crimes/trials that are held on a Tribe.  But, what I see already from the title, is how it will go down here.  Instead why can't we leave the 'race' part of it out in a title.  Even in the discussions. 

 As a White person it does offend me.  I don't want to get into race issues.  Because, it does upset me.  Because, I know there's scum on both sides.  Blacks & Whites.  Just what I hear some people say on here about Whites, it's appalling.  How would Blacks or another race feel, if we then go put up more posts about other races?  How would that make you all feel?  Is that what people on here what to do?  Just has us all go back & forth.  Putting up posts after posts about sh$$ like this?  Making the person who reads it & it's about THEIR race, well I guess we're all just a bunch of sh$$heads. 


 

 

 

 

 


 

chloedee
by Bronze Member on Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:40 PM
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Can you give me some examples of these posts? Because as a white person, I find absolutely nothing offensive or rude about this one, and there have been no generalizations about white people that make me feel as horrible as you apparently do.

Any thoughts on the actual racism in this post: the Republican Senator's assertion that Native Americans are incapable of being an impartial jury?

Quoting Naturewoman4:

With all do respect, some of us 'white' people know what bringing this up all means.  It happens here on CM all the time.  My point is, had someone posted up a title talking about Blacks or another race, all out war is going to being.  Just the mentioning of the word "Blacks" in a title. White moms here on CM get blasted all over the place.  All these types of threads are sensitive in nature.  So, a lot of different posts can come out due to these types of threads/posts.  

My main point in saying all this, is that if a White CM puts up a posts about what a Black or group of Blacks did, right away we aren't able to discuss it.  Why?  When we find some things just as appalling, disrespectful, horrible towards US Whites as with any other race.  So, that's ok to discuss things about Whites & not what other races is/have done against us?  That there IS an Injustice as well!


Quoting chloedee:

What are you talking about? Who has said something horrible about "ALL us white people"? The only generalization made here is by Senator Grassley, who seems to think that Native Americans are incapable of being unbiased or impartial.

Anything else is just pointing out that there is a significant problem of non-Native men assaulting Native women, who have limited to no legal recourse. Why shouldn't we discuss that fact?

Quoting Naturewoman4:

Yes, I will agree this subject needs to be  brought up.  It's how 'some' posters take this opportunity to lump us all in the same group.  That's what upsets me about posts like this.  Let's say we do posts about blacks, whenever we do.  Boy, we better look out for a fight!  Because, we're not able to talk about that.  But, if we put up a post with our evidence, etc.  Doesn't matter as a White person we will be blasted & called all kinds of horrible names.  So, could you tell me what's the difference? 

You see if say a White person really is so fed up with say things that Blacks have done, we are not allowed to even mention it.  Why?  It is just as important, upsetting to us, as it is to people in post like this.  Yet, as a White person I feel we don't dare say how we feel, what has happen to a white person or even ourselves.  But, other races are allowed.  That's what upsets me.

 It's just a sensitive issue all around.  Perhaps, if people can discuss it, WITHOUT taking the opportunity to say just how horrible ALL of us White people are, then it would be different.  But, there are few here on CM that loves posts like this. 


Quoting krysstizzle:

WHY we need to have posts like this? 

Native American women are raped and beat with impunity because of a fucked up situation where a non-native can come onto a reservation and NOT BE PROSECUTED FOR THEIR ACTIONS. Native women are 2 1/2 times more likely than other women to be asssaulted. Most of that (around 80%, as an average of the stats) is by non-natives. And most of THAT is by white males. 

Now tell me we don't need to talk about this. It's abhorrant and disgusting. Did you know all of this before this post? If you did, great. But I'm willing to bet the majority of people (non-native) don't know this. 

Quoting Naturewoman4:

What disturbs me the most is why we keep having posts like this.  Makes me wonder for those that keep putting up posts that inflames the racial tensions already, what is their point?  For those that does this, makes me wonder why are they so obsessed with race?  We see posts about Blacks/AA....then posts about Whites..  Why such hatred for Whites people??? 

 Now I know some will say, "Oh I don't hate ALL White people".....that it isn't my point in posting this.  Yet, how can a White person here on CM NOT think it is?  How can a White person here, not feel uptight & horrible that once again it's the White race that is doing this.  Or with Black posts, how can they not think "ok here we go again, us bad black people"....Sounds to me there is a lot of hatred right here on CM, between Blacks & Whites.  Why?  Why when not everyone of a certain race thinks/feels the same way. 

If a person wants to just discuss an issue, then they are walking on a thin line when posting something like this.  I guess some just want the drama & fight.  But, to me, if someone wants to posts about this.  Well then at least do it in a way/intention of just bringing up the details of crimes/trials that are held on a Tribe.  But, what I see already from the title, is how it will go down here.  Instead why can't we leave the 'race' part of it out in a title.  Even in the discussions. 

 As a White person it does offend me.  I don't want to get into race issues.  Because, it does upset me.  Because, I know there's scum on both sides.  Blacks & Whites.  Just what I hear some people say on here about Whites, it's appalling.  How would Blacks or another race feel, if we then go put up more posts about other races?  How would that make you all feel?  Is that what people on here what to do?  Just has us all go back & forth.  Putting up posts after posts about sh$$ like this?  Making the person who reads it & it's about THEIR race, well I guess we're all just a bunch of sh$$heads. 










Radarma
by "OneDar" on Feb. 22, 2013 at 2:43 PM

 I don't care what color you are.

If someone said, "well maybe black men should stop murdering white people" it would NOT be cool.

Get it? Good.

Quoting mikiemom:

 

There is not an anti-white vibe on this board, there is an anti-racist   vibe on this board though. We call out racists  when we see them.

I'm white lol

Quoting Radarma:

 Are you new?

There is MOST ASSUREDLY an anti white vibe on this board; to MANY, all the ills and wrongdoings minorities suffer are because of the big bad evil white man.

And NW, I know just how ya feel.

And this, this right here is offensive, and no one bats an eye.
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by Platinum Member on Feb. 22, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Umm maybe white men should stop raping Native Women - this man is an idiot.

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See, it's become en vogue to not only blame the white guy but to blatantly diss him any chance you get. Apparently, some thinks this endears them to those repressed minorities. :/


 

Quoting chloedee:

What are you talking about? Who has said something horrible about "ALL us white people"? The only generalization made here is by Senator Grassley, who seems to think that Native Americans are incapable of being unbiased or impartial.

Anything else is just pointing out that there is a significant problem of non-Native men assaulting Native women, who have limited to no legal recourse. Why shouldn't we discuss that fact?

Quoting Naturewoman4:

Yes, I will agree this subject needs to be  brought up.  It's how 'some' posters take this opportunity to lump us all in the same group.  That's what upsets me about posts like this.  Let's say we do posts about blacks, whenever we do.  Boy, we better look out for a fight!  Because, we're not able to talk about that.  But, if we put up a post with our evidence, etc.  Doesn't matter as a White person we will be blasted & called all kinds of horrible names.  So, could you tell me what's the difference? 

You see if say a White person really is so fed up with say things that Blacks have done, we are not allowed to even mention it.  Why?  It is just as important, upsetting to us, as it is to people in post like this.  Yet, as a White person I feel we don't dare say how we feel, what has happen to a white person or even ourselves.  But, other races are allowed.  That's what upsets me.

 It's just a sensitive issue all around.  Perhaps, if people can discuss it, WITHOUT taking the opportunity to say just how horrible ALL of us White people are, then it would be different.  But, there are few here on CM that loves posts like this. 

 

Quoting krysstizzle:

WHY we need to have posts like this? 

Native American women are raped and beat with impunity because of a fucked up situation where a non-native can come onto a reservation and NOT BE PROSECUTED FOR THEIR ACTIONS. Native women are 2 1/2 times more likely than other women to be asssaulted. Most of that (around 80%, as an average of the stats) is by non-natives. And most of THAT is by white males. 

Now tell me we don't need to talk about this. It's abhorrant and disgusting. Did you know all of this before this post? If you did, great. But I'm willing to bet the majority of people (non-native) don't know this. 

Quoting Naturewoman4:

What disturbs me the most is why we keep having posts like this.  Makes me wonder for those that keep putting up posts that inflames the racial tensions already, what is their point?  For those that does this, makes me wonder why are they so obsessed with race?  We see posts about Blacks/AA....then posts about Whites..  Why such hatred for Whites people??? 

 Now I know some will say, "Oh I don't hate ALL White people".....that it isn't my point in posting this.  Yet, how can a White person here on CM NOT think it is?  How can a White person here, not feel uptight & horrible that once again it's the White race that is doing this.  Or with Black posts, how can they not think "ok here we go again, us bad black people"....Sounds to me there is a lot of hatred right here on CM, between Blacks & Whites.  Why?  Why when not everyone of a certain race thinks/feels the same way. 

If a person wants to just discuss an issue, then they are walking on a thin line when posting something like this.  I guess some just want the drama & fight.  But, to me, if someone wants to posts about this.  Well then at least do it in a way/intention of just bringing up the details of crimes/trials that are held on a Tribe.  But, what I see already from the title, is how it will go down here.  Instead why can't we leave the 'race' part of it out in a title.  Even in the discussions. 

 As a White person it does offend me.  I don't want to get into race issues.  Because, it does upset me.  Because, I know there's scum on both sides.  Blacks & Whites.  Just what I hear some people say on here about Whites, it's appalling.  How would Blacks or another race feel, if we then go put up more posts about other races?  How would that make you all feel?  Is that what people on here what to do?  Just has us all go back & forth.  Putting up posts after posts about sh$$ like this?  Making the person who reads it & it's about THEIR race, well I guess we're all just a bunch of sh$$heads. 


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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