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 Tomorrow is March 6 and there is a movement to end the everyday derogatory use of the R word. Over 350k people have taken the pledge. Will you?

 Is this a movement you would support? Or is this a term  you plan to continue to use in any way you wish?

 For info on taking the pledge click here.

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by on Mar. 5, 2013 at 4:58 PM
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frogbender
by Captain Underpants on Mar. 6, 2013 at 9:39 PM
Whatever. I think I made my stance clear earlier. You were the one that wanted to know what they were going to call "flame retarded clothes". I responded that they would call them flame retardant, because the definition of the word is most definitely not the same. By all means though, go order some flame retarded clothes. I'm sure no one will laugh at you. I don't understand why people don't educate themselves a little better. It isn't like we have no free public libraries.
Quoting USBrit:

When all else fails just start to bash and name call. Folks like you who just want to mince words and not address the real issue that was being discussed. My Grandson is severly mentally retarded and changing the word to become more PC doesn't change what the doctors have diagnosed. By the way, I have done very well in my life and acting like the word retarded doesn't exist is the least of my worries, I would rather address the reason for all the children that are diagnosed with retardation, rather than worry about what PC word to use instead of the actual diagnosis. 

Quoting frogbender:

*sigh* Good luck with the whole English language/communication thing. It's going well for you, I see. There are still no fire retarded clothes.
Quoting USBrit:

Perhaps you should look up the word retardation......and yes "SLOW" is the key to anything that starts begins with retard. So root word or not they ALL have the same meaning.....anyway....it is silly to argue the word, since my point was that the word is not the problem!!!

Quoting frogbender:


No, the meaning is not the same. Retarded means slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development or academic progress. Retardant means a substance that is used to slow the speed of the reaction of a substance. They may have the same root word, but the meaning is entirely different.

Quoting USBrit:

Yes, I may have mis-spoke the "proper" word or mis-spelled, my point was that the meaning behind those words.....are the same! 

Quoting frogbender:

They aren't flame retarded clothes. They are flame retardant clothes. And your point is not missed. I actually agree because I have used the word in both music and horticulture. 


Quoting USBrit:

Seriously??? where do you think the word comes from?? They ALL mean the same thing!! But, there you go....my point was completely missed.

Quoting frogbender:


We call them flame retardant. A retardant is a substance capable of slowing the speed of a reaction. So there is a difference in meaning.

Quoting USBrit:

I have a "retarded" grandson......it is a word that by definition means slow....it is PEOPLE who have perverted the use of the word! Are we really that small that we have to eliminate a word from use. So what do we call flame retarded clothes. special clothes??? We need to wake up and learn to use words properly with their original intent, not eliminate them!! :( What a world we live in!













TruthSeeker.
by Milami on Mar. 6, 2013 at 9:41 PM
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 If you bothered to read this post or click on the link you would see it isn't about not using this word at all. It is about not using it in a derogatory way.  The big deal? The big deal is when it is used in a derogatory way it is hurtful and disrespectful. Now, any person with an ounce of compassion can understand and agree with this concept.

 

Quoting illinoismommy83:

Ahhhh! Call the police! Call Obama! Run away! Someone is using a word you don't like.

I honestly don't see the big deal. It can be used in other contexts. 

"I cured cancer. This medicine will retard abnormal cell growth." "Gasp, how dare you! Shame on you! That word is disgusting!"

 

charleyd68
by Platinum Member on Mar. 6, 2013 at 9:45 PM

What is the "R" word?

greenie63
by Silver Member on Mar. 6, 2013 at 9:52 PM

Glad the Social Security Admin can regognize the term is harmful. Rosa's Law is making changes!  

The Arc Applauds Social Security Administration’s Ending the Use of the “R-word”

Washington, DC – In an historic change for people with intellectual disabilities (ID), the Social Security Administration (SSA) announced its intent to stop using the phrase “mental retardation” and start using “intellectual disability” in its official Listing of Impairments.

This change, which The Arc and many other organizations advocated for, comes a little over two years after President Barack Obama signed Rosa’s Law.  In 2010, The Arc was very involved in efforts to end the use of the “r-word” and worked to enact Rosa’s Law, which substituted the stigmatizing word with the terms “intellectual disability” and “individual with an intellectual disability” in federal health, education, and labor policy statutes.  While the legislation did not cover programs such as Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, it was an important stepping stone for shaping future legislation and efforts that will transform these outdated terms in all federal laws.  The Social Security Administration’s actions are a welcome result of the success of Rosa’s Law.

“Changing how we talk about people with disabilities is a critical step in promoting and protecting their basic civil and human rights.  This is an important moment for people with disabilities because Social Security is a lifeline to so many – it allows people with ID to live in their communities and be as independent as possible.  And now, the language the agency uses will reflect the respect people with ID deserve,” said Peter Berns, CEO of The Arc.

The proposed regulation published today has a 30 day comment period, and we encourage people to submit comments in support of the proposed regulation online by February 27, 2013.

taniamorse85
by Bronze Member on Mar. 7, 2013 at 12:14 AM
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I took the pledge a long time ago, but TFS!

coronado25
by Silver Member on Mar. 7, 2013 at 2:01 AM

I have never used the word to insult anyone or anything that did not deserve it at the time and I have certainly never used it to taunt or bully those who deal with genetic or acquired mental retardation from Down's Syndrome, to Alzheimer's to head injuries...So why would I need to take a pledge? Retarded is the proper offensive word to describe someone or something that is unnecessarily delaying or impeding the progress or completion of a goal. Be it looking at a diagram upside down, lobbying for new laws that do little to help but create tons more red tape, etc.  Is it more okay to say "idiotic"? or "stupid" or "ass backwards"?

Let's all please be gay now and forget this argument. Its retarded to the point that we will make no headway towards a mutual feeling about this pledge thingie. 


USBrit
by Bronze Member on Mar. 7, 2013 at 11:51 AM

So by all means use the library, as you should!

Quoting frogbender:

Whatever. I think I made my stance clear earlier. You were the one that wanted to know what they were going to call "flame retarded clothes". I responded that they would call them flame retardant, because the definition of the word is most definitely not the same. By all means though, go order some flame retarded clothes. I'm sure no one will laugh at you. I don't understand why people don't educate themselves a little better. It isn't like we have no free public libraries.
Quoting USBrit:

When all else fails just start to bash and name call. Folks like you who just want to mince words and not address the real issue that was being discussed. My Grandson is severly mentally retarded and changing the word to become more PC doesn't change what the doctors have diagnosed. By the way, I have done very well in my life and acting like the word retarded doesn't exist is the least of my worries, I would rather address the reason for all the children that are diagnosed with retardation, rather than worry about what PC word to use instead of the actual diagnosis. 

Quoting frogbender:

*sigh* Good luck with the whole English language/communication thing. It's going well for you, I see. There are still no fire retarded clothes.
Quoting USBrit:

Perhaps you should look up the word retardation......and yes "SLOW" is the key to anything that starts begins with retard. So root word or not they ALL have the same meaning.....anyway....it is silly to argue the word, since my point was that the word is not the problem!!!

Quoting frogbender:


No, the meaning is not the same. Retarded means slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development or academic progress. Retardant means a substance that is used to slow the speed of the reaction of a substance. They may have the same root word, but the meaning is entirely different.

Quoting USBrit:

Yes, I may have mis-spoke the "proper" word or mis-spelled, my point was that the meaning behind those words.....are the same! 

Quoting frogbender:

They aren't flame retarded clothes. They are flame retardant clothes. And your point is not missed. I actually agree because I have used the word in both music and horticulture. 


Quoting USBrit:

Seriously??? where do you think the word comes from?? They ALL mean the same thing!! But, there you go....my point was completely missed.

Quoting frogbender:


We call them flame retardant. A retardant is a substance capable of slowing the speed of a reaction. So there is a difference in meaning.

Quoting USBrit:

I have a "retarded" grandson......it is a word that by definition means slow....it is PEOPLE who have perverted the use of the word! Are we really that small that we have to eliminate a word from use. So what do we call flame retarded clothes. special clothes??? We need to wake up and learn to use words properly with their original intent, not eliminate them!! :( What a world we live in!














USBrit
by Bronze Member on Mar. 7, 2013 at 11:51 AM

No confusion!

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 Perhaps you are confused about what this movement is about. It isn't about pretending that the word does not exist. It isn't about not using the word for a proper medical diagnosis. It is not about being PC. It is about not using the word flippantly in a derogatory manner in everyday language. As it has been explained numerous times that it is hurtful and disrespectful.  

Quoting USBrit:

When all else fails just start to bash and name call. Folks like you who just want to mince words and not address the real issue that was being discussed. My Grandson is severly mentally retarded and changing the word to become more PC doesn't change what the doctors have diagnosed. By the way, I have done very well in my life and acting like the word retarded doesn't exist is the least of my worries, I would rather address the reason for all the children that are diagnosed with retardation, rather than worry about what PC word to use instead of the actual diagnosis. 

Quoting frogbender:

*sigh* Good luck with the whole English language/communication thing. It's going well for you, I see. There are still no fire retarded clothes.


futureshock
by Ruby Member on Mar. 7, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Retarded would mean his learning was delayed, not stopped.

when his learning about 'where things go in the kitchen' has clearly been arrested entirely... it's not 'retarded'?

Quoting LindaClement:

You're probably right.

I'm okay with that. I find it far more interesting to understand other people's thinking than hearing echoes of my own.

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 We are not going to agree on this issue.

Quoting LindaClement:

No... not him: his learning. It's clearly stopped...

If you think he's 'choosing' not to put things where they belong, you're ascribing a level of malice that I know is not present.

The thing about insults (and slurs of all kinds) is that people who hear them think they know all about the attitudes and beliefs of the people who say them... and conversely, a genuinely hateful bigot is completely free as long as they're silent.

Insults are only insulting if:

1. the 'insulted' agrees that they are insults and,

2. that the insult applies to them.

No one outside the 'insulted' person's head has anything to do with either.

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

  Are you asking if it's ok to call him retarded because he forgot where something goes in the kitchen? This would be everyday use of the word in a derogatory manor. You know he isn't retarded. He simply forgot or "Chose" to not put something back up. If you want to keep on using the word in whatever manor you wish simply continue. I'm not here to brow beat anyone into having a little compassion and thinking about others before they spout off words in public that can hurt others.

Quoting LindaClement:

So... when I say to my husband, who has an eye for detail and is meticulously neat and tidy, when his learning about 'where things go in the kitchen' has clearly been arrested entirely... it's not 'retarded'?



futureshock
by Ruby Member on Mar. 7, 2013 at 1:06 PM


Quoting TruthSeeker.:

That's the whole point of this thread. To use the word as intended and not in derogatory everyday language. That is the pledge. To ban your (General) use of the word in everyday conversation.

Quoting USBrit:

I have a "retarded" grandson......it is a word that by definition means slow....it is PEOPLE who have perverted the use of the word! Are we really that small that we have to eliminate a word from use. So what do we call flame retarded clothes. special clothes??? We need to wake up and learn to use words properly with their original intent, not eliminate them!! :( What a world we live in!

I am still confused.  So it will be alright for her to say she has a retarded grandson?

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