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"White Boy Bleed Alot": 12-yr old White Boy Bullied- Killed: Media Hides Race of the Two Thugs Who Killed Him

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This is a further discussion on the thread of the boy that was beaten by 2 classmates & died.  I don't usually like to put up post about race, but since we are always seeing posts on what a White person has done to a Black person we need to hear the other stories. I feel that this needs to be brought up.  Justice has to be for ALL, not for just some. These 2 Black boys were only suspended for 2 days.  Why?  The Black communities are always angered about our Justice System.  How about this? 

1 of the 2 tormenters punched him so hard that he broke the boy's nose & left him with a concussion.  The school only suspended the boys for 2 days.  Questions are being raised that maybe it's the "Quotoas for Black discipline".  That Obama has implemented it in his "August Executive Order". 

  I'm sure this thread will not get the proper discussion, but there will be angry posts towards me as usual.   But, for those that just want to discuss what is going on in America, why the Media is leaving out the race of these classmates.  Yet when it comes to stories of conerning violence & Whites, Whites are always in the title of a thread. 

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/03/06/media-hides-race-or-the-two-thugs-who-killed-him/

or try:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/03/06/white-boy-bleed-alot-12-year-old-white-boy-

 

**As usual I'm having trouble with put up links, I will try to continue to fix this**

 

 

by on Mar. 6, 2013 at 11:40 AM
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brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Mar. 9, 2013 at 11:01 PM


I have answered your question. If you cannot understand it, or just deny it because it is not the one you want that is not my problem.

I can re-explain it to you if you want. But I am not avoiding your questions at all.

And what are you rambling on about now? I never said there was a superior race.

I never said someone should get away with anything because of their race. If it turns out the attack was related to the death he should be punished more. I am just stating we should not punish them before there is anything connecting those two actions.

I have never supported murder. You are desperately grasping at straws now.

I have never said anyone should be given anything because of their race. Another desperate straw you are reaching for.

Calling out your racism makes me as bad as a racist? If calling out your racism makes me a bad person in your yeas-I can live with that.

Quoting masonmomma:

Ok. Right. Avoiding again. It was a simple yes or no question.

Quoting brookiecookie87:


I have answered your question. If you cannot understand it, or just deny it because it is not the one you want that is not my problem.

I can re-explain it to you if you want. But I am not avoiding your questions at all.

And what are you rambling on about now? I never said there was a superior race.

I never said someone should get away with anything because of their race. If it turns out the attack was related to the death he should be punished more. I am just stating we should not punish them before there is anything connecting those two actions.

I have never supported murder. You are desperately grasping at straws now.

I have never said anyone should be given anything because of their race. Another desperate straw you are reaching for.

Calling out your racism makes me as bad as a racist? If calling out your racism makes me a bad person in your yeas-I can live with that.


Quoting masonmomma:

Your avoidance of the question/s is making your answer to it clear. Look, having a superior race is wrong and clearly does not/ should not work. Stop trying to support it. Allowing people to get away with stuff because of their race is wrong, stop supporting it. Murder is wrong, stop supporting it. Giving people stuff they did not earn because of their race is wrong, stop supporting it. Labeling people who don't support it as racist is wrong, stop doing it. You are just as bad as any full on racist. Ive seen enough of your posts and replies to know where you stand on this type of nonsense and to know where this thread is going. Have fun with your ass backwards, naive, thought. You want so badly to be right that you will turn a blind eye to anything that proves you wrong. There are many of you and I for the life of me can not understand why.

Quoting brookiecookie87:


Again. You understand how assumptions work, right?

I don't claim to know anything about them. I understand there is nothing to support any judgement on them.

There is no 2 + 2 = 4 here.

There are two black kids. One who pushed a kid and one who hit a kid. You don't know their past, or their history. You don't know how they dress, or their grades. You don't know what they listen to. Or who they want to be.

You are making an assumption based on the fact that they are black. That makes it racist.

And I answered your question. You just don't like the answer. Denying reality doesn't make it so.



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by on Mar. 9, 2013 at 11:05 PM
Again....So when I make assumptions about white people based on the pattern and majority is it racist?

Yes or no


Quoting brookiecookie87:


I have answered your question. If you cannot understand it, or just deny
it because it is not the one you want that is not my problem.

I can re-explain it to you if you want. But I am not avoiding your questions at all.

And what are you rambling on about now? I never said there was a superior race.

I
never said someone should get away with anything because of their race.
If it turns out the attack was related to the death he should be
punished more. I am just stating we should not punish them before there
is anything connecting those two actions.

I have never supported murder. You are desperately grasping at straws now.

I have never said anyone should be given anything because of their race. Another desperate straw you are reaching for.

Calling
out your racism makes me as bad as a racist? If calling out your racism
makes me a bad person in your yeas-I can live with that.


Quoting masonmomma:

Ok. Right. Avoiding again. It was a simple yes or no question.



Quoting brookiecookie87:


I have answered your question. If you cannot understand it, or just deny it because it is not the one you want that is not my problem.

I can re-explain it to you if you want. But I am not avoiding your questions at all.

And what are you rambling on about now? I never said there was a superior race.

I never said someone should get away with anything because of their race. If it turns out the attack was related to the death he should be punished more. I am just stating we should not punish them before there is anything connecting those two actions.

I have never supported murder. You are desperately grasping at straws now.

I have never said anyone should be given anything because of their race. Another desperate straw you are reaching for.

Calling out your racism makes me as bad as a racist? If calling out your racism makes me a bad person in your yeas-I can live with that.



Quoting masonmomma:

Your avoidance of the question/s is making your answer to it clear. Look, having a superior race is wrong and clearly does not/ should not work. Stop trying to support it. Allowing people to get away with stuff because of their race is wrong, stop supporting it. Murder is wrong, stop supporting it. Giving people stuff they did not earn because of their race is wrong, stop supporting it. Labeling people who don't support it as racist is wrong, stop doing it. You are just as bad as any full on racist. Ive seen enough of your posts and replies to know where you stand on this type of nonsense and to know where this thread is going. Have fun with your ass backwards, naive, thought. You want so badly to be right that you will turn a blind eye to anything that proves you wrong. There are many of you and I for the life of me can not understand why.

Quoting brookiecookie87:


Again. You understand how assumptions work, right?

I don't claim to know anything about them. I understand there is nothing to support any judgement on them.

There is no 2 + 2 = 4 here.

There are two black kids. One who pushed a kid and one who hit a kid. You don't know their past, or their history. You don't know how they dress, or their grades. You don't know what they listen to. Or who they want to be.

You are making an assumption based on the fact that they are black. That makes it racist.

And I answered your question. You just don't like the answer. Denying reality doesn't make it so.




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masonmomma
by on Mar. 9, 2013 at 11:11 PM
Again, I fail to see where I have said all of them but in this instance, 2 black boys jumping a white boy doesn't seem to be proving me wrong now does it.
That autopsy will say head trauma. What do you do other than google education? You don't by any crazy chance work in the medical field do you? Cause I sure do and it will say head trauma. Again, if it were medical, they would have found that out by now.

Look, I am for equality. I support equality. I want that but yet protesting anything that doesn't support EQUALITY makes me a racist. You don't find that ass backwards.


Quoting brookiecookie87:

Have you?

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.1525/sp.2011.58.2.257?uid=3739920&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101799213511

According to that 1 in 3 black men will go to prison in their lifetime. That's a huge number I agree. But to you does that mean we should label 3 out of 3 black men thugs?  Does 1/3 of them eventually receiving prison time mean that we should consider them all thugs, and if they are involved in something assume they are guilty before the investigation/information comes out?

Does that mean we shouldn't wait till the autopsy to punish these kids?



Quoting masonmomma:

Have either one of you ever even looked at crimes statistics? Ever sat in parking lots across town and just observed? Ever work in a jail? Or a juvenile unit?Or has it always been just a bubble and popular internet opinion? For fucks sake, did you even read obamas executive order or even affirmative action policies and you want to act like there is not a clear issue.

Quoting stacymomof2:

I don't even know how I can continue to be shocked at the things people say.  I don't know a single person in real life who would ever say that the "majority" of black people are thugs.  She must have a small circle.

Quoting katy_kay08:

following her convoluted logic we could draw the conclusion that most white people are violent sex offenders since the majority of them are white. 

I honestly hope the OP doesn't delete this post.  It will definitely get bumped the next time she "vents" that she doesn't know why people think she has a race problem.   I did get quite a kick out of the I'm more racist since Obama became President.  That was classic.  




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brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Mar. 9, 2013 at 11:20 PM

First lets define Racism because you seem to be over simplifying. .

rac·ism

[rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

If your assumption falls into one of those three categories then yes. If it doesn't. No.




Quoting masonmomma:

Again....So when I make assumptions about white people based on the pattern and majority is it racist?

Yes or no


Quoting brookiecookie87:


I have answered your question. If you cannot understand it, or just deny
it because it is not the one you want that is not my problem.

I can re-explain it to you if you want. But I am not avoiding your questions at all.

And what are you rambling on about now? I never said there was a superior race.

I
never said someone should get away with anything because of their race.
If it turns out the attack was related to the death he should be
punished more. I am just stating we should not punish them before there
is anything connecting those two actions.

I have never supported murder. You are desperately grasping at straws now.

I have never said anyone should be given anything because of their race. Another desperate straw you are reaching for.

Calling
out your racism makes me as bad as a racist? If calling out your racism
makes me a bad person in your yeas-I can live with that.


Quoting masonmomma:

Ok. Right. Avoiding again. It was a simple yes or no question.



Quoting brookiecookie87:


I have answered your question. If you cannot understand it, or just deny it because it is not the one you want that is not my problem.

I can re-explain it to you if you want. But I am not avoiding your questions at all.

And what are you rambling on about now? I never said there was a superior race.

I never said someone should get away with anything because of their race. If it turns out the attack was related to the death he should be punished more. I am just stating we should not punish them before there is anything connecting those two actions.

I have never supported murder. You are desperately grasping at straws now.

I have never said anyone should be given anything because of their race. Another desperate straw you are reaching for.

Calling out your racism makes me as bad as a racist? If calling out your racism makes me a bad person in your yeas-I can live with that.



Quoting masonmomma:

Your avoidance of the question/s is making your answer to it clear. Look, having a superior race is wrong and clearly does not/ should not work. Stop trying to support it. Allowing people to get away with stuff because of their race is wrong, stop supporting it. Murder is wrong, stop supporting it. Giving people stuff they did not earn because of their race is wrong, stop supporting it. Labeling people who don't support it as racist is wrong, stop doing it. You are just as bad as any full on racist. Ive seen enough of your posts and replies to know where you stand on this type of nonsense and to know where this thread is going. Have fun with your ass backwards, naive, thought. You want so badly to be right that you will turn a blind eye to anything that proves you wrong. There are many of you and I for the life of me can not understand why.

Quoting brookiecookie87:


Again. You understand how assumptions work, right?

I don't claim to know anything about them. I understand there is nothing to support any judgement on them.

There is no 2 + 2 = 4 here.

There are two black kids. One who pushed a kid and one who hit a kid. You don't know their past, or their history. You don't know how they dress, or their grades. You don't know what they listen to. Or who they want to be.

You are making an assumption based on the fact that they are black. That makes it racist.

And I answered your question. You just don't like the answer. Denying reality doesn't make it so.






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stacymomof2
by Ruby Member on Mar. 9, 2013 at 11:20 PM

Yes, I have seen crime stats.  So do crime stats say "the majority of black people are thugs"?  Lrys check it out.  Assuming that a "thug" by definition should be a criminal, lets see what percentage of black people are incarcerated.

Well here I pulled this off something called prison policy. org.  It says 2207 black people out of every 100,000 is incarcerated.  That's 2.2%.

Here this seems reliable...it says the incarceration rate for black men in the US is 1 in 15.  The rate for black women is 1 in 100.  That 6.7% of black men and 1% of black women.  Does that really back up your claim that "most" black people are "thugs"? http://www.nij.gov/journals/270/criminal-records-figure2.htm

Quoting masonmomma:

Have either one of you ever even looked at crimes statistics? Ever sat in parking lots across town and just observed? Ever work in a jail? Or a juvenile unit?Or has it always been just a bubble and popular internet opinion? For fucks sake, did you even read obamas executive order or even affirmative action policies and you want to act like there is not a clear issue.

Quoting stacymomof2:

I don't even know how I can continue to be shocked at the things people say.  I don't know a single person in real life who would ever say that the "majority" of black people are thugs.  She must have a small circle.

Quoting katy_kay08:

following her convoluted logic we could draw the conclusion that most white people are violent sex offenders since the majority of them are white. 

I honestly hope the OP doesn't delete this post.  It will definitely get bumped the next time she "vents" that she doesn't know why people think she has a race problem.   I did get quite a kick out of the I'm more racist since Obama became President.  That was classic.  


jllcali
by LoyalAndCute on Mar. 9, 2013 at 11:29 PM
Asking for them to be prosecuted is reasonable to expect from the parents. It's possible that I may have missed it, but I have not seen where the parents have demanded the boys be charged as adults and/or with murder. If these boys were adults and punched another adult in the face and pushed another adult who died later, they would likely not be charged with murder, even if the victim died 2 days later rather than 2 months later. It is not a reasonable expectation that a person would die from a punch in the face, so the charges would likely be involuntary manslaughter or something similar.

I never said the parents commited a crime or that they should be charged. I did say that if they knew of the child having symptoms and they did not seek medical treatment for him, they were guilty of not doing so. Which I don't even know if it's a crime or not. Not the same as saying "the parents should be charged because they killed their kid". Timely medical intervention in insults to the brain, no matter what the cause, is critical to survivability with minimal loss of function. Time is tissue. It doesn't matter what the reason for the delay, the damage will happen. Which means a survivable (with intervention) brain injury can turn deadly.

I think that the investigation should be completed before charging the boys with anything.


Quoting lokilover:




Quoting jllcali:

I am not defending the attackers. I am not condoning what they did at all. I am not saying they are should not be charged with anything. What makes you think I am blaming the parents? I have said no such thing.



My lack of integrity? How so? Because I am discussing this case and the realistic possibilities it involves in a rational manner?





Even the parents of Bailey are not screaming for these kids' heads. Which leads me to believe that while I have no doubt they are grieving an unimaginable loss, they realize that a punch in the face, especially from a child is not usually sufficient to kill a person, and thus are waiting for the investigation that is ongoing to be completed before demanding charges be filed.







Quoting lokilover:





Quoting jllcali:

Are you an investigator or doctor directly involved in this case? If not, then your opinion on whether or not the child had preexisting (whether known or not) medical conditions or if the fight was the cause of death in this child is uninformed and irrelevant.





If the investigation bears out that the child died as a direct result of the fight and not an unrelated medical condition or negligence, then I absolutely agree with the boys being charged. I do not agree the charges should be murder though. There has been no evidence presented indicating the boys set out with the intention of killing the victim or anyone else. Involuntary manslaughter, yes. Which is likely what an adult in a similar situation would be charged with.








Quoting Naturewoman4:

Of course, I know that a DA has to have evidence & I don't think it's ok to prosecute on hearsay.  This attack was caught on video.  I don't believe this boy had preexisting health issues.  I do believe it was the result of the punches to his face & then his head hit the cement.  Now, what we'll have to wait to find out is if the school should be held partly responsible?  Or the fact that the parents didn't take immediate action?  I did hear that the school didn't inform the parents until a few hrs. later. 




I'm wondering if the school even told the parents that their son's head hit the cement.  But, I still feel this issue that is happening in our schools needs to be discussed.  Our schools in this Country is out of control.  Not just the bullying, which is a problem.  But, the guns being brought on campus, the shootings, & attacks such as this.  This imo, should bring charges against these 2 attackers.  Because, the end result is the death of a boy, that didn't want to fight.  He was not just shoved & bullied.  Their needs to be consequences to kids actions.  If not, this will go on & on. 








Quoting jllcali:

The family thinks he was bullied, but the DA found.no evidence of that, according to your statement. You do realize the DA needs evidence to prosecute, right? Or are you okay with people being prosecuted on hearsay?


Also, if the kid had symptoms immediately, and the parents did not take him to the doctor when the symptoms presented, they are guilty of not seeking medical treatment for their injured child.

It is very rare that a child die from the relatively minor force of a punch from another child, even if he struck his head. I can tell you from personal experience, it happens often that a kid gets punched and hits their head and not die. Even if it's an adult doing the punching. It is very possible that there was something medically wrong, possibily preexisting that contributed to this child's death. Which is why people need to calm down and wait for the investigation to be completed.






Quoting Naturewoman4:




Brooke, that's the point.  It is a person's opinion, which is fine.  I have always put that fact, imo....just my opinion.  Anyway, this thread is meant to be discussing Obama.  I did I admit, brought up his name.  I answered some questions of another poster.  Ok, so I'm not going to turned this thread into a Pro-Obama or Anti-Obama.  Back to my thread.





Here's some more info. I just read about this case.  Bailey sustained a concussion, broken nose & other injuries.  Jan 10, 2013.  The attack was caught on video.  Family only said they are convinced he was bullied.  Yet, the DA on this case, said he has found no evidence of that.  If this turns out to be the truth, then questions are to was it a 'hate crime'.  Even if it is proven not to be, it is murder.  Therefore, the attackers need to be held accountable.





Bailey hit his head on the ground (probably cement) after the punched to his face.  Which caused the concussion.  His mom said after that Bailey just wasn't right about the boy.  True, I don't know why the parents or the school didn't insist on Bailey going to the hospital to be checked out.  Soon after that her son wasn't feeling good, was tired & irritable.  That's when they took him to the hospital & they discovered he did have a concussion.  1 1/2 wks. later had seizures, every 3 seconds.  He had "Refractory Status Epilepsies", a condition which the brain is in a state of persistent seizure. 





cont.)





 










Quoting brookiecookie87:





It's your opinion. Please don't pretend your opinions are fact. Watch this. It's my Opinion that 98% of America loves Obama. If you disagree you are just part of the 2% that hates him.

See how completely pointless that statement is?





What I said makes sense. You just fell into the former statement. You are assuming every republican/conservative dislikes Obama like you do.

What 47% do you believe knew they were going to vote for Obama? Are you talking about the people who don't pay Income Taxes? Because you realize that a lot of those people are conservative and Republicans as well, right?

Are you suggesting there were alot of Republicans and Conservatives voting for Obama?

And if you are. Doesn't that contradict the statement you made earlier? If almost half of the country dislikes him like you do, why would a portion of those people be voting for him?





Quoting Naturewoman4:





Well first of all, I said "almost".  It's my opinion.  Unless, someone or myself takes a poll from the whole Country, of course it is just my opinion.  Brooke, what you said doesn't make sense.  Obviously, IF 'under' 50% didn't vote for Romney, Romney wouldn't of won.  Heck, 47% of Americans already knew they were going to vote for Obama.  Romney received a lot of votes still from Americans.  I said 'almost' half the Country, is just a figure of speech.





  But, the fact is the Reps. (Romney) received a hell of a lot of votes.  Obama NOT winning in a land slide, still says that A LOT of people don't like Obama.  To me, that is quite obvious.  Even those States that Romney lost, still he received A LOT of votes.  To me, that says a lot.  That says, that A LOT of Americans dislike Obama, even hate Obama & his policies. Why deny it?   










Quoting brookiecookie87:










Can you provide a source for your claim that at least half the country doesn't like Obama?

And I have to ask if almost half the country doesn't like Obama how come that almost half + Republicans didn't win the Election?

Or are you assuming that every republican dislikes Obama?



















Your defense of these attackers is pretty disgusting enough, but the fact that you are actually insinuating that the parents are at fault is really terrible. I shudder to think that you're a parent. One can not imagine what you are raising, given your complete lack of integrity during this discussion around an innocent boy's death.

Even if he had a preexisting medical condition, they should still be charged for exacerbating that condition which lead to his death. Even if their attack was completely unrelated to his death (unlikely given the timing), they should still be charged with assault.





They are not "screaming for their heads", but they are asking for the boys to be persecuted.

I was referring to your speculation that if the parents knew about the symptoms, then they should be charged. It's telling that you're willing to speculate about situations where you think the parents may be guilty of a "crime", but caution against speculating about the boys having caused Bailey's death (despite the fact that there's more evidence of them causing his death than the parents ignoring his symptoms).

Out of curiosity, what do you feel the boys should be charged with right now? Assault? Nothing? I'm getting the distinct impression that because you think of this as only being a "playground fight". you think they should only get a slap on the wrist.



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brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Mar. 9, 2013 at 11:30 PM

Because you are using those numbers to suggest people are thugs.

One kid pushed him, and the other hit him a few times in the face. That is enough for you to consider them thugs, and suggest they listen to gangster rap music, and wear being a thug as a badge?

You are rather presumptuous. Speaking of which.

You saying the autopsy will reveal the seizures were related to the hit doesn't make it so. You can believe it all you want but that does not make it so.

I never said you are racist because whatever you were just trying to say.

You are racist because you assume these two black kids listen to gangster rap, and that they wear being a thug as a badge of honor and that they are thugs. When all you know about them is that they are black, one pushed a kid, and the other hit him a few times.

Was that a stupid thing to do? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean their life history is filled with stupid or violent acts? No.

I am not asking you to believe every person is a Saint and is all good. But you should have more of a basis for judgements as hard as the ones you are handing out.

Quoting masonmomma:

Again, I fail to see where I have said all of them but in this instance, 2 black boys jumping a white boy doesn't seem to be proving me wrong now does it.
That autopsy will say head trauma. What do you do other than google education? You don't by any crazy chance work in the medical field do you? Cause I sure do and it will say head trauma. Again, if it were medical, they would have found that out by now.

Look, I am for equality. I support equality. I want that but yet protesting anything that doesn't support EQUALITY makes me a racist. You don't find that ass backwards.


Quoting brookiecookie87:

Have you?

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.1525/sp.2011.58.2.257?uid=3739920&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101799213511

According to that 1 in 3 black men will go to prison in their lifetime. That's a huge number I agree. But to you does that mean we should label 3 out of 3 black men thugs?  Does 1/3 of them eventually receiving prison time mean that we should consider them all thugs, and if they are involved in something assume they are guilty before the investigation/information comes out?

Does that mean we shouldn't wait till the autopsy to punish these kids?



Quoting masonmomma:

Have either one of you ever even looked at crimes statistics? Ever sat in parking lots across town and just observed? Ever work in a jail? Or a juvenile unit?Or has it always been just a bubble and popular internet opinion? For fucks sake, did you even read obamas executive order or even affirmative action policies and you want to act like there is not a clear issue.

Quoting stacymomof2:

I don't even know how I can continue to be shocked at the things people say.  I don't know a single person in real life who would ever say that the "majority" of black people are thugs.  She must have a small circle.



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futureshock
by Ruby Member on Mar. 9, 2013 at 11:56 PM


Quoting Goodwoman614:


Oh my f*cking doG... Have you no shame? Dignity? Pride? 

To scream butthurt to this degree, when all brookie c. did was answer a fucking question?

You are getting your ass handed to you by someone who is polite, courteous and respectful, but also smart as hell, quite capable of thinking rationally, and possesses enough perseverance to continually wade through the false comparisons, backtracking, equivocating and oh yes: the shitstorm of sloppy thinking/logical fallacies you continue to puke up onto this thread like my old tomcat did hair balls.

AND she does you the courtesy of taking you at face value, which I won't. I know you're full of shit, pretending to be 'concerned' about this that & t'other, when in reality you are just a simpleminded garden variety bigoted a$s white American who DOES NOT CARE to take themselves to task for the racist lens they willfully insist on living their lives peering through..

***puke***

Quoting Naturewoman4:

I don't know how to do all that cutting/pasting sort of stuff on a computer. My point is, when you are speaking to another poster, quoting them.  Then, you bring up my name in the discussion with other posters, that to me is talking behind someone's back.  A very childish thing to do.  That's what grade school kids do.  This is my topic & I'm not always the center of a discussion.  People are quoting other people & some may be having disagreements & arguments.  Just because I'm the one that posted this thread, doesn't mean I'm responsible o everyone's own words & opinions. 

Quoting brookiecookie87:
Can you show me a Topic that you did not start where I used your name? 


This is your topic. My point was it was not behind your back. It was not somewhere you would not find it or see. And it is not something I never discussed with you before.

I was not the only person that pointed out that the article you used is from a racist website and implies things that are completely untre (Like that it is a fact that Bailey died because of the kids and that the kids are thugs).

You could update it with an actual news source that uses facts and doesn't make things up. I, and other people, are not going to keep asking you to do so. Nor do you have to. But if you are going to link to a racist website, that makes up accusations, and ignores facts, and then use it to imly racial tension where there is none.

She asked who said it was a racist attack. You are a clear example of that since it is your topic, and you are one of the people who continue to suggest it might be and continue to link to the article suggesting it was.

This is not another topic you are not part of. This is your topic.

Quoting Naturewoman4:
When you are quoting me, yes you can use my name.  But what you do here & other threads is use my name when you're posting to other people.
Quoting brookiecookie87:
This is your topic, is it not? You are notified everytime a post is made in, aren't you? I have not posted something behind your back.


If you want to link to racist websites and post an article that has nothing to do about race and claim it has something to do with race. Take responsibility for your actions.

Quoting Naturewoman4:
Brooke if you want to continue using my name in your post like you do a lot,  just say it to my face.   Talking behind people's back is a chiken shit.
Quoting brookiecookie87:
Naturewoman4. And plenty of other people who read the article she posted. 


In the Bailey case there is no mention of racial tension from him, his mom, the school, the news, or the Police. But she still felt it was worth pointing out.

That was beautiful!!! :)

masonmomma
by on Mar. 10, 2013 at 12:18 AM
So if I claim im white than its not racist and if I claim im not it is?

Quoting brookiecookie87:

First lets define Racism because you seem to be over simplifying. .

rac·ism

[rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.


If your assumption falls into one of those three categories then yes. If it doesn't. No.





Quoting masonmomma:

Again....So when I make assumptions about white people based on the pattern and majority is it racist?



Yes or no




Quoting brookiecookie87:


I have answered your question. If you cannot understand it, or just deny

it because it is not the one you want that is not my problem.

I can re-explain it to you if you want. But I am not avoiding your questions at all.

And what are you rambling on about now? I never said there was a superior race.

I

never said someone should get away with anything because of their race.

If it turns out the attack was related to the death he should be

punished more. I am just stating we should not punish them before there

is anything connecting those two actions.

I have never supported murder. You are desperately grasping at straws now.

I have never said anyone should be given anything because of their race. Another desperate straw you are reaching for.

Calling

out your racism makes me as bad as a racist? If calling out your racism

makes me a bad person in your yeas-I can live with that.



Quoting masonmomma:

Ok. Right. Avoiding again. It was a simple yes or no question.





Quoting brookiecookie87:


I have answered your question. If you cannot understand it, or just deny it because it is not the one you want that is not my problem.

I can re-explain it to you if you want. But I am not avoiding your questions at all.

And what are you rambling on about now? I never said there was a superior race.

I never said someone should get away with anything because of their race. If it turns out the attack was related to the death he should be punished more. I am just stating we should not punish them before there is anything connecting those two actions.

I have never supported murder. You are desperately grasping at straws now.

I have never said anyone should be given anything because of their race. Another desperate straw you are reaching for.

Calling out your racism makes me as bad as a racist? If calling out your racism makes me a bad person in your yeas-I can live with that.




Quoting masonmomma:

Your avoidance of the question/s is making your answer to it clear. Look, having a superior race is wrong and clearly does not/ should not work. Stop trying to support it. Allowing people to get away with stuff because of their race is wrong, stop supporting it. Murder is wrong, stop supporting it. Giving people stuff they did not earn because of their race is wrong, stop supporting it. Labeling people who don't support it as racist is wrong, stop doing it. You are just as bad as any full on racist. Ive seen enough of your posts and replies to know where you stand on this type of nonsense and to know where this thread is going. Have fun with your ass backwards, naive, thought. You want so badly to be right that you will turn a blind eye to anything that proves you wrong. There are many of you and I for the life of me can not understand why.

Quoting brookiecookie87:


Again. You understand how assumptions work, right?

I don't claim to know anything about them. I understand there is nothing to support any judgement on them.

There is no 2 + 2 = 4 here.

There are two black kids. One who pushed a kid and one who hit a kid. You don't know their past, or their history. You don't know how they dress, or their grades. You don't know what they listen to. Or who they want to be.

You are making an assumption based on the fact that they are black. That makes it racist.

And I answered your question. You just don't like the answer. Denying reality doesn't make it so.








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by Debbie on Mar. 10, 2013 at 12:20 AM
Ummmm.. You are wrong. There are some conditions that can only be shown on autopsy. My gut is telling me it was the blow to the head but since it occurred a couple of days later, it might not and only an autopsy can confirm it. Also, he could have had an undiagnosed condition which could have been aggravated by the punch to the head.

Quoting masonmomma:

Again, I fail to see where I have said all of them but in this instance, 2 black boys jumping a white boy doesn't seem to be proving me wrong now does it.

That autopsy will say head trauma. What do you do other than google education? You don't by any crazy chance work in the medical field do you? Cause I sure do and it will say head trauma. Again, if it were medical, they would have found that out by now.



Look, I am for equality. I support equality. I want that but yet protesting anything that doesn't support EQUALITY makes me a racist. You don't find that ass backwards.




Quoting brookiecookie87:

Have you?

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.1525/sp.2011.58.2.257?uid=3739920&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101799213511

According to that 1 in 3 black men will go to prison in their lifetime. That's a huge number I agree. But to you does that mean we should label 3 out of 3 black men thugs?  Does 1/3 of them eventually receiving prison time mean that we should consider them all thugs, and if they are involved in something assume they are guilty before the investigation/information comes out?

Does that mean we shouldn't wait till the autopsy to punish these kids?




Quoting masonmomma:

Have either one of you ever even looked at crimes statistics? Ever sat in parking lots across town and just observed? Ever work in a jail? Or a juvenile unit?Or has it always been just a bubble and popular internet opinion? For fucks sake, did you even read obamas executive order or even affirmative action policies and you want to act like there is not a clear issue.

Quoting stacymomof2:

I don't even know how I can continue to be shocked at the things people say.  I don't know a single person in real life who would ever say that the "majority" of black people are thugs.  She must have a small circle.

Quoting katy_kay08:

following her convoluted logic we could draw the conclusion that most white people are violent sex offenders since the majority of them are white. 

I honestly hope the OP doesn't delete this post.  It will definitely get bumped the next time she "vents" that she doesn't know why people think she has a race problem.   I did get quite a kick out of the I'm more racist since Obama became President.  That was classic.  





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