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UGH - "T for Tolerance" (Not)

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by on Mar. 6, 2013 at 1:44 PM
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TranquilMind
by Platinum Member on Mar. 6, 2013 at 4:35 PM

 Possibly.  That's not ok with me either.  I pray my kids don't choose to fornicate (and have taught them to wait, and so far, so good in the mid teens), but if they do, they will live with the consequences, whether those consequences are not immediately obvious, or whether they are pregnancy or disease.

All choices have consequences.  The consequences are vastly reduced among married, faithful people.  They don't get diseases and have a baby or not, but either way is fine. 


Quoting NewMom11222011:

I think that there is a vast difference between advocating that someone never touches alcohol and someone never touches a person of the gender they are attracted to.  In our culture, where there is freedom of religion, we don't have the right to push our own personal beliefs on others to keep them from pursuing their own happiness as long as what they do is with another consenting adult. 

If the quoted text I read earlier is true, I find it interesting that the "rapper"-and I use that term loosely-would choose to use a phrase about something to the effect of WHO we choose to fornicate with.  I was under the impression that any sex, heterosexual or homosexual, outside of marriage was deemed inappropriate in the Bible (at least the KJV that I've read through many times).  I don't see nearly the same level of moral outrage in these forums about heterosexual fornication or adultery that I see about homosexual sex.  Could that be because many of the moms so outraged about homosexual sex have fornicating heterosexual offspring?

Quoting TranquilMind:

 I don't believe that "hormonally" one is doomed to be gay any more than I believe that one is doomed to be an alcoholic.  Tendencies may be there, but YOU decide which way you go with them. You don't even have to take that first step. 

We do not say that people are born alcoholic (even though there may be some component, other than simply exposure to the behavior), and we encourage them to stop or never start.    

 

Quoting NewMom11222011:

I don't understand, other than your religious beliefs, why you can accept that something happens before conception that ends in hermaphroditism but not that something happens-hormonally or otherwise- before conception that ends in loving people of one's own gender.  I believe that something interferes with the switch prior to birth, given the adults that I have known since they were very young children (when they first started displaying homosexual tendencies-and to my knowledge none of them were molested by a same sex person) who are now gay in my uber-conservative home town in Texas (which is not a place where you would CHOOSE to be gay, since that gets you beaten to a pulp).

Quoting TranquilMind:

 It was certainly a lot easier when that was known, expected, and assumed to be the default/normal position.  It IS the default position for human beings.  Something interferes to turn the switch a different direction, so to speak.

Apparently, my switch wasn't interfered with in childhood, nor was I born with organs of both male and female, such as in cases where something goes wrong after conception..  No one molested me.  I was exposed to inappropriate sexual material in the home, but not of this variety.

So there you have it.  It does not happen in a vacuum.  Believe what you will, but  that's the truth.  It's a convenient lie to just say you were "born that way" just like it is a convenient lie to say you were "born" to be an adulterer or an alcoholic.  You weren't.  That isn't your destiny.  You just took steps in that direction to make it happen, if it does. 

 

Quoting LauraKW:

How did you make your decision to be straight?

Quoting TranquilMind:

 Your statement is based on the faulty premise that one must "hide" the behavior instead of simply turn away from it.  Sexual orientation is not innate and you are presuming that it is, because only that argument silences opposing views.  '


It is like arguing that AA is encouraging you to "hide" your drinking rather than stop drinking and do things that are benefical instead.


 


Quoting smalltowngal:


If you look at the stats, it's most prevalent amongst black, gay  and bisexual men. Ironically, many believe that is because there is more pressure on black males to be straight even if they aren't so they end up engaging in risky behavior by their wives' backs. So this video is encouraging people to hide their sexuality which encourages the spread of HIV. Yay for her. 


Quoting TranquilMind:


 It always struck that community disproportionately hard because of the risky behaviors regularly engaged in by that community.  Sure, there was collateral damage because the virus got into the blood supply and spread around by either risky behaviors toward others or via blood transfusion (which led to the ban in the first place) or sometimes dental work or other ways of bodily fluid access.


 


Quoting mikiemom:


 


HIV does not just strike the gay community anymore that thought process is well, just bigotted. 


 


 


 


 


 


 

 

 


 

 



 

smalltowngal
by Platinum Member on Mar. 6, 2013 at 4:38 PM
Implications? You mean whether or not they would be accepted by society? There is a section of society that won't accept them no matter what they choose since they can't get over the fact of how they were born.
Quoting TranquilMind:

 Yes, they do have to choose.  It's not up to me what they choose, but they live with the implications of the choice, whatever they choose.


Quoting smalltowngal:

So do innersex people get to choose who they want to be? Do they only get to choose if they're 50/50 looks wise or genetic wise? If they're genetically one sex but physically another, do they have to go with genetics or chromosomes? Even if homosexuals are another form of innersex where they are chemically similar to the opposite sex, they still have to choose to be straight even though that will increase their suicide rates?
Quoting TranquilMind:

 I don't believe that "hormonally" one is doomed to be gay any more than I believe that one is doomed to be an alcoholic.  Tendencies may be there, but YOU decide which way you go with them. You don't even have to take that first step. 

We do not say that people are born alcoholic (even though there may be some component, other than simply exposure to the behavior), and we encourage them to stop or never start.    

Very young children do NOT display "homosexual tendencies".  They aren't sexually aware before puberty, unless they have been molested.  Young children might display personality traits or characteristics generally observed on the opposite gender, however.  It depends on what you do with them and how they are encouraged or discouraged.  Some will just be, but that doesn't mean the kid will decide to take steps toward homosexual behavior.  He may or he may not.

 

 


 


 


 


 

 

 


 

 



 


PinkButterfly66
by Silver Member on Mar. 6, 2013 at 4:39 PM
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She's bigoted and misinformed and so "tolerant" she disabled comments.
TranquilMind
by Platinum Member on Mar. 6, 2013 at 4:39 PM

 No, of course not.  That is not a proper analogy at all, like alcoholism is.  Blue eyes aren't a behavior that you choose to engage in or not.  They are simply an innate genetic trait. 

Girls -as a group - are every bit as science-oriented as boys are, even if your particular child is not.  That's just her natural giftedness coming out.  Another child might choose math, or art.  Again, innate traits, unlike sexual behavior. 


Quoting smalltowngal:

Nature doesn't make us all alike though. So am I going against nature because I was born with blue eyes since the majority don't have blue eyes? Most girls don't like science so is my daughter going against nature because she has a space mural in her wall? Life isn't majority rules so everyone has to partake in that behavior especially if that behavior isn't considered criminal. I'm sure many doctors would disagree with you considering homosexuality unnatural too.
Quoting TranquilMind:

 

  Most men want to marry a woman and have his own children.  Most women want to marry a man and have her own children.   There wouldn't be all this "coming out" stuff if this were not against nature.

 

Quoting smalltowngal:

Why should people take steps against being a homosexual if that is how their brain was switched after conception?
Quoting TranquilMind:

 It was certainly a lot easier when that was known, expected, and assumed to be the default/normal position.  It IS the default position for human beings.  Something interferes to turn the switch a different direction, so to speak.

Apparently, my switch wasn't interfered with in childhood, nor was I born with organs of both male and female, such as in cases where something goes wrong after conception..  No one molested me.  I was exposed to inappropriate sexual material in the home, but not of this variety.

So there you have it.  It does not happen in a vacuum.  Believe what you will, but  that's the truth.  It's a convenient lie to just say you were "born that way" just like it is a convenient lie to say you were "born" to be an adulterer or an alcoholic.  You weren't.  That isn't your destiny.  You just took steps in that direction to make it happen, if it does. 

 

Quoting LauraKW:

How did you make your decision to be straight?

Quoting TranquilMind:

 

 


 


 


 


 


 

 

 


 

 



 

smalltowngal
by Platinum Member on Mar. 6, 2013 at 4:46 PM
But you already said sexuality could be determined by a switch after conception going off and they choose if they are going to be gay or not. My DD has a choice in what field of study she will be in. There can also be consequences if chooses a field that is made up of mainly men. Should I tell her to go against her instinct because it will be harder for her? A lot of homosexuals say they are happier after coming out so if you go with consequences, it seems like there are less by coming out than there are trying to go against your switch.
Quoting TranquilMind:

 No, of course not.  That is not a proper analogy at all, like alcoholism is.  Blue eyes aren't a behavior that you choose to engage in or not.  They are simply an innate genetic trait. 

Girls -as a group - are every bit as science-oriented as boys are, even if your particular child is not.  That's just her natural giftedness coming out.  Another child might choose math, or art.  Again, innate traits, unlike sexual behavior. 


Quoting smalltowngal:

Nature doesn't make us all alike though. So am I going against nature because I was born with blue eyes since the majority don't have blue eyes? Most girls don't like science so is my daughter going against nature because she has a space mural in her wall? Life isn't majority rules so everyone has to partake in that behavior especially if that behavior isn't considered criminal. I'm sure many doctors would disagree with you considering homosexuality unnatural too.
Quoting TranquilMind:

 

  Most men want to marry a woman and have his own children.  Most women want to marry a man and have her own children.   There wouldn't be all this "coming out" stuff if this were not against nature.

 

Quoting smalltowngal:

Why should people take steps against being a homosexual if that is how their brain was switched after conception?
Quoting TranquilMind:

 It was certainly a lot easier when that was known, expected, and assumed to be the default/normal position.  It IS the default position for human beings.  Something interferes to turn the switch a different direction, so to speak.

Apparently, my switch wasn't interfered with in childhood, nor was I born with organs of both male and female, such as in cases where something goes wrong after conception..  No one molested me.  I was exposed to inappropriate sexual material in the home, but not of this variety.

So there you have it.  It does not happen in a vacuum.  Believe what you will, but  that's the truth.  It's a convenient lie to just say you were "born that way" just like it is a convenient lie to say you were "born" to be an adulterer or an alcoholic.  You weren't.  That isn't your destiny.  You just took steps in that direction to make it happen, if it does. 

 

Quoting LauraKW:

How did you make your decision to be straight?

Quoting TranquilMind:

 

 


 


 


 


 


 

 

 


 

 



 


TranquilMind
by Platinum Member on Mar. 6, 2013 at 4:48 PM
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They weren't born that way.  Choices were made.   Continually stating that unsupported and unsupportable premise that it is a random accident of birth and completely uncontrollable will not make it true. 

Yes, we all have consequences from all of our choices.    Some people might not like my choices, but they are mine to make and I will suffer or enjoy the consequences.   As will every other individual.  For example, I choose not to drink.  I have not had a drink in 20 years.  I never had to drink at all - I MADE A CHOICE and followed that choice up with many other similar choices -  and would not have had to suffer the consequences of getting to a place where I realized that drinking was not in my best interest.  It is a darn sight harder to stop something once you have submerged yourself into the lifestyle than it is to never start it in the first place. 

Quoting smalltowngal:

Implications? You mean whether or not they would be accepted by society? There is a section of society that won't accept them no matter what they choose since they can't get over the fact of how they were born.
Quoting TranquilMind:

 Yes, they do have to choose.  It's not up to me what they choose, but they live with the implications of the choice, whatever they choose.

 

Quoting smalltowngal:

So do innersex people get to choose who they want to be? Do they only get to choose if they're 50/50 looks wise or genetic wise? If they're genetically one sex but physically another, do they have to go with genetics or chromosomes? Even if homosexuals are another form of innersex where they are chemically similar to the opposite sex, they still have to choose to be straight even though that will increase their suicide rates?
Quoting TranquilMind:

 I don't believe that "hormonally" one is doomed to be gay any more than I believe that one is doomed to be an alcoholic.  Tendencies may be there, but YOU decide which way you go with them. You don't even have to take that first step. 

We do not say that people are born alcoholic (even though there may be some component, other than simply exposure to the behavior), and we encourage them to stop or never start.    

Very young children do NOT display "homosexual tendencies".  They aren't sexually aware before puberty, unless they have been molested.  Young children might display personality traits or characteristics generally observed on the opposite gender, however.  It depends on what you do with them and how they are encouraged or discouraged.  Some will just be, but that doesn't mean the kid will decide to take steps toward homosexual behavior.  He may or he may not.

 

 


 


 


 


 

 

 


 

 


 

 



 

TranquilMind
by Platinum Member on Mar. 6, 2013 at 4:49 PM

 That depends upon your view of consequences and on the big picture. 


Quoting smalltowngal:

But you already said sexuality could be determined by a switch after conception going off and they choose if they are going to be gay or not. My DD has a choice in what field of study she will be in. There can also be consequences if chooses a field that is made up of mainly men. Should I tell her to go against her instinct because it will be harder for her? A lot of homosexuals say they are happier after coming out so if you go with consequences, it seems like there are less by coming out than there are trying to go against your switch.
Quoting TranquilMind:

 No, of course not.  That is not a proper analogy at all, like alcoholism is.  Blue eyes aren't a behavior that you choose to engage in or not.  They are simply an innate genetic trait. 

Girls -as a group - are every bit as science-oriented as boys are, even if your particular child is not.  That's just her natural giftedness coming out.  Another child might choose math, or art.  Again, innate traits, unlike sexual behavior. 

 

Quoting smalltowngal:

Nature doesn't make us all alike though. So am I going against nature because I was born with blue eyes since the majority don't have blue eyes? Most girls don't like science so is my daughter going against nature because she has a space mural in her wall? Life isn't majority rules so everyone has to partake in that behavior especially if that behavior isn't considered criminal. I'm sure many doctors would disagree with you considering homosexuality unnatural too.
Quoting TranquilMind:

 

  Most men want to marry a woman and have his own children.  Most women want to marry a man and have her own children.   There wouldn't be all this "coming out" stuff if this were not against nature.

 

Quoting smalltowngal:

Why should people take steps against being a homosexual if that is how their brain was switched after conception?
Quoting TranquilMind:

 It was certainly a lot easier when that was known, expected, and assumed to be the default/normal position.  It IS the default position for human beings.  Something interferes to turn the switch a different direction, so to speak.

Apparently, my switch wasn't interfered with in childhood, nor was I born with organs of both male and female, such as in cases where something goes wrong after conception..  No one molested me.  I was exposed to inappropriate sexual material in the home, but not of this variety.

So there you have it.  It does not happen in a vacuum.  Believe what you will, but  that's the truth.  It's a convenient lie to just say you were "born that way" just like it is a convenient lie to say you were "born" to be an adulterer or an alcoholic.  You weren't.  That isn't your destiny.  You just took steps in that direction to make it happen, if it does. 

 

Quoting LauraKW:

How did you make your decision to be straight?

Quoting TranquilMind:

 

 


 


 


 


 


 

 

 


 

 


 

 



 

smalltowngal
by Platinum Member on Mar. 6, 2013 at 5:00 PM

 

I still don't understand why they should choose not to be homosexuals especially if they are happier with being out. Also, I'm a bit confused on how there are so many different reasons why people can be innersex but you're 100% sure that there isn't a chemical or hormonal reason for someone to be a homosexual. Or if there is a chemical or hormonal reason they are, they're are some how wrong if they choose to be a homosexual. Why have you decided that choice is so wrong? 

Quoting TranquilMind:

 

They weren't born that way.  Choices were made.   Continually stating that unsupported and unsupportable premise that it is a random accident of birth and completely uncontrollable will not make it true. 

Yes, we all have consequences from all of our choices.    Some people might not like my choices, but they are mine to make and I will suffer or enjoy the consequences.   As will every other individual.  For example, I choose not to drink.  I have not had a drink in 20 years.  I never had to drink at all - I MADE A CHOICE and followed that choice up with many other similar choices -  and would not have had to suffer the consequences of getting to a place where I realized that drinking was not in my best interest.  It is a darn sight harder to stop something once you have submerged yourself into the lifestyle than it is to never start it in the first place. 

Quoting smalltowngal:

Implications? You mean whether or not they would be accepted by society? There is a section of society that won't accept them no matter what they choose since they can't get over the fact of how they were born.
Quoting TranquilMind:

 Yes, they do have to choose.  It's not up to me what they choose, but they live with the implications of the choice, whatever they choose.

 

Quoting smalltowngal:

So do innersex people get to choose who they want to be? Do they only get to choose if they're 50/50 looks wise or genetic wise? If they're genetically one sex but physically another, do they have to go with genetics or chromosomes? Even if homosexuals are another form of innersex where they are chemically similar to the opposite sex, they still have to choose to be straight even though that will increase their suicide rates?
Quoting TranquilMind:

 I don't believe that "hormonally" one is doomed to be gay any more than I believe that one is doomed to be an alcoholic.  Tendencies may be there, but YOU decide which way you go with them. You don't even have to take that first step. 

We do not say that people are born alcoholic (even though there may be some component, other than simply exposure to the behavior), and we encourage them to stop or never start.    

Very young children do NOT display "homosexual tendencies".  They aren't sexually aware before puberty, unless they have been molested.  Young children might display personality traits or characteristics generally observed on the opposite gender, however.  It depends on what you do with them and how they are encouraged or discouraged.  Some will just be, but that doesn't mean the kid will decide to take steps toward homosexual behavior.  He may or he may not.

 

 


 


 


 


 

 

 


 

 


 

 


 

 

 

 

mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Mar. 6, 2013 at 5:21 PM

 

so you choose to be heterosexual? Oh and sex is not dirty, it's so sad that  you are teaching your children that it is.

Quoting TranquilMind:

 

They weren't born that way.  Choices were made.   Continually stating that unsupported and unsupportable premise that it is a random accident of birth and completely uncontrollable will not make it true. 

Yes, we all have consequences from all of our choices.    Some people might not like my choices, but they are mine to make and I will suffer or enjoy the consequences.   As will every other individual.  For example, I choose not to drink.  I have not had a drink in 20 years.  I never had to drink at all - I MADE A CHOICE and followed that choice up with many other similar choices -  and would not have had to suffer the consequences of getting to a place where I realized that drinking was not in my best interest.  It is a darn sight harder to stop something once you have submerged yourself into the lifestyle than it is to never start it in the first place. 

Quoting smalltowngal:

Implications? You mean whether or not they would be accepted by society? There is a section of society that won't accept them no matter what they choose since they can't get over the fact of how they were born.
Quoting TranquilMind:

 Yes, they do have to choose.  It's not up to me what they choose, but they live with the implications of the choice, whatever they choose.

 

Quoting smalltowngal:

So do innersex people get to choose who they want to be? Do they only get to choose if they're 50/50 looks wise or genetic wise? If they're genetically one sex but physically another, do they have to go with genetics or chromosomes? Even if homosexuals are another form of innersex where they are chemically similar to the opposite sex, they still have to choose to be straight even though that will increase their suicide rates?
Quoting TranquilMind:

 I don't believe that "hormonally" one is doomed to be gay any more than I believe that one is doomed to be an alcoholic.  Tendencies may be there, but YOU decide which way you go with them. You don't even have to take that first step. 

We do not say that people are born alcoholic (even though there may be some component, other than simply exposure to the behavior), and we encourage them to stop or never start.    

Very young children do NOT display "homosexual tendencies".  They aren't sexually aware before puberty, unless they have been molested.  Young children might display personality traits or characteristics generally observed on the opposite gender, however.  It depends on what you do with them and how they are encouraged or discouraged.  Some will just be, but that doesn't mean the kid will decide to take steps toward homosexual behavior.  He may or he may not.

 

 


 


 


 


 

 

 


 

 


 

 


 

 


 

Healthystart30
by Silver Member on Mar. 6, 2013 at 5:23 PM
Hopefully SHE doesn't have children, and her hatred dies with her without being passed down. Or maybe she will go to college and wake up!
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