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NYC’s ‘Cost of Teen Pregnancy’ PSAs **edited**

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I am not a fan of teen pregnancy.  However, I absolutely agree that such a 'campaign' is only meant to degrade.  Money thrown out as many feel teen parents should be.


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Planned Parenthood trashes NYC’s ‘Cost of Teen Pregnancy’ PSAs

By  | The Lookout – 5 hrs ago

Planned Parenthood denounced a new ad campaign aimed at sexually active teens, unveiled by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg this week, for shaming current and expectant teen parents and their children.

“The latest NYC ad campaign creates stigma, hostility and negative public opinions about teen pregnancy and parenthood rather than offering alternative aspirations for young people,” Haydee Morales, vice president of education and training at Planned Parenthood's New York office, said in a statement released on Wednesday. “The city’s money would be better spent helping teens access health care, birth control and high-quality sexual and reproductive health education, not an ad campaign intended to create shock value.”

The "Cost of Teen Pregnancy" campaign—displayed in subways and bus shelters citywide—includes images of concerned toddlers with messages for their teen parents.

"Honestly Mom," one poster reads, "chances are he won't stay with you. What happens to me?"

"Dad, you'll be paying to support me for the next 20 years," reads another, noting that New York state law requires a parent to pay child support until a child is 21.

The public service announcements also instruct teens to text "'NOTNOW' to 877877 for the real cost of teen pregnancy."

[Related: NYC rolls out 'Cost of Teen Pregnancy' PSAs]

"This campaign makes very clear to young people that there’s a lot at stake when it comes to deciding to raise a child,” Bloomberg said in his weekly radio address on Sunday.

The effort, he said, will "let thousands of young New Yorkers know that waiting to become a parent could be the best decision they ever make.”

According to the health department, the city's teen pregnancy rate has fallen 27 percent in the past decade. But Morales said stigmatizing teens who have already become parents "has not been a part of what has led to this success."

In 2011, the city quietly rolled out a controversial pilot program that allowed teens access to the contraceptive drug Plan B—the so-called "morning after pill"—in some of its public schools without parental consent. (Parents could choose to exclude their children from access.) In 2012, officials expanded the program to 13 schools with hopes of implementing it citywide.

That program—dubbed CATCH, or "Connecting Adolescents To Comprehensive Health"—is supported by Planned Parenthood.

I am not a fan of teen pregnancy.  This campaign, however, is meant to degrade. There is nothing positive there.  Sadly, many will agree with this and feel this will do good.  What that 'good' is.......I'm not sure.  It certainly is not going to help deter any one from having sex, protected or otherwise.

Shame on NYC and their Mayor.

***If some of you can get past the Planned Parenthood aspect and get your heads out of the sand, maybe you could see that the money used here could have been better spent.

*******

Ya know, even old dogs can learn new tricks.

I think, when I first read this, I was uncomfortable with the delivery of this message and instead of taking some time, I jumped right on the defensive.  And believe me, I am any thing other than for kids having kids.  I've always been very much against teen sex, much less pregnancy.

So, after reading the replies, well........most of them.......I have realized that the message is correct.  It is indeed the delivery I dislike.  I also feel the money spent here could have been used in a more positive way and perhaps with not such a bullying type approach.  The more we shame and make a point of disgracing, the more people are not going to listen to the message.

by on Mar. 6, 2013 at 7:10 PM
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AutymsMommy
by Silver Member on Mar. 6, 2013 at 8:55 PM
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Glad you weren't my mother. Had you been, you wouldn't have a relationship with me or your grandchild.

Quoting delilahsmom1177:

A baby shower is to show off the mommy and whatnot. She can have one I will not GIVE her one. She can get gifts I will even get things for m y grandbaby... I would get anything and everything for THE BABY NOT her.

Quoting Healthystart30:

Quoting delilahsmom1177:




Baby showers are to help the new parents with stuff needed for the baby. Why wouldn't you want to help your daughter prepare for the baby? What a weird way to show support




I am a Home Schooling, Vaccinating, Non spanking, Nightmare Cuddling, Dessert Giving, Bedtime Kissing, Book Reading, Stay at Home Mom. I believe in the benefit of organized after school activities and nosy, involved parents. I believe in spoiling my children. I believe that I have seen the village and I do not want it anywhere near my children. Now for the controversial stuff: we have traditional gender roles, we're Catholic, I'm Libertarian, he's Republican, we're both conservative, and we own guns (now there's no need to ask, lol).             Aimee














SRUsarahSC
by Bronze Member on Mar. 6, 2013 at 8:56 PM

good for them for not sugarcoating the truth.

delilahsmom1177
by Bronze Member on Mar. 6, 2013 at 8:57 PM

I do love my child and I would never throw her away. I just said I would be ashamed that I FAILED HER... In fact I would be ashamed of myself not her. If you could you know read things right. I would always LOVE my DD but will I always be proud of her....No. No parent is ALWAY proud of their child. Sorry that you think because I would not welcome my pregnant teen with open arms and be proud that she is ruining her life is wrong.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting delilahsmom1177:

A baby shower is to show off the mommy and whatnot. She can have one I will not GIVE her one. She can get gifts I will even get things for m y grandbaby... I would get anything and everything for THE BABY NOT her.

Quoting Healthystart30:

Quoting delilahsmom1177:




Baby showers are to help the new parents with stuff needed for the baby. Why wouldn't you want to help your daughter prepare for the baby? What a weird way to show support


You just keep proving your ignorance.

A baby shower is for the baby.  But then again, you would be ashamed of your grandchild so why would you want to do any thing for the child?

I don't believe, for a second, that you would not also shame and disgrace a grandchild.

But it doesn't matter what I believe, or not.  You have every right to be who you are and to raise your child in the manner you feel fit to do.

I just hope she has others in her life whom she knows truly care about her, love her and will not throw her away with the trash.


I'm a tattooed,pagan,pro-choice,pro-legalizing marijuana,pro-gay marriage,anti-war,non-vaxing,tree hugging,animal loving,book reading,animal testing free,depression battling, trying to raise a free spirit and letting her be who she is but still teaching her important life lessons,fighting for equal rights at the same time,don't like it get over it.

FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Mar. 6, 2013 at 8:57 PM


Quoting AutymsMommy:



Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting AutymsMommy:

I don't think it's aimed at those who already have children.

I wish I had heard this (and had it rammed into my head) BEFORE I had sex (and subsequently had my daughter at 16), because I sincerely did "think we'd be together forever", that "I'd finish school and live out my dreams regardless", that "babies aren't expensive", etc. My pregnancy wasn't planned but when I found out about it, it was "no big deal" either (teen pregnancy wasn't uncommon in my area).


Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting CLEKate:

I personally think that teenagers need to hear this side of teen pregnancy.  They need to have the cold hard facts shoved down their throats.  So maybe they'll think twice before having unprotected sex or getting pregnant on purpose.

Okay, I see your point. However, the 'cold hard facts' should be presented in a manner that does not point fingers and does not place the teen parents in to a box where they already feel alone.

This will only make most feel worse than they may already feel.  Helpless and lost and alone.  This is telling them they have failed as a human being and will, without doubt, fail their child.

Education and prevention is key.  This campaign only points fingers with the intent to shame.  That is not positive at all.

You cannot bully some one in to doing what you want them to do.



I am going to take what you say seriously because I have always had much respect for you.....even when we disagree.  It is the way you go about things that brings about a huge amount of respect.

I get what you are saying.  Perhaps I need to take another look at this from a different angle.

I get what most have said in this thread, with the exception of the one person.

I have always been very much against, for lack of a better word, teen pregnancy and children having children.  By that I mean those still in high school and *gasp* middle school.  I'm not fond of young women having children either, including my own daughter.  But I do see a difference for those who manage to get out of high school first.  Not with every one, of course.

But I don't see how shaming them, how bullying them, is going to get them to really listen and take it to heart.

*sigh*  I suppose if some one truly does not want to hear, how the message is delivered won't matter.

I do feel, however, that this money could have been spent in a different manner in helping young teens to realize the challenges they will face.  

I appreciate the responses, or most of them.  I'm always willing to open my eyes even more and try to see things from a different perspective.

I would love to see money spent taking obviously promiscuous (or even just sexually active) girls aside in a one-on-one environment and perhaps introducing them to someone like myself. Absolutely no one told me what being a teen parent would be like. Given, my life today has done a 180 from that girl who dropped out of high school to have a child and worked so much and so often that she rarely saw said child - but the repercussions are still being lived; I can only hope that my daughter breaks the cycle by remembering what it was like to be the child of a teen parent.

With that said, I probably wouldn't have paid attention to this ad. I would have laughed it off in all my teenage arrogance; what I would have listed to would have been a teen parent yelling the same (message that this ad touts). I pray that one day I can yell just *this* at a young lady who feels invincible.

A little secret between you, me, and the rest of cafemom - I'm in such a tizzy over that DD desires to go back to brick and mortar school for high school. Terrified is more like it; because of my poor choices, she is much more likely to be a teen parent herself. I wouldn't mind a billboard touting this ad at the school entrance, lol.


I hear what you are saying.  I do.  And I also would love to see programs more along the lines of what you are talking about.  

Your daughter is YOUR daughter.  From what I know of you, you haven't to worry about her making the same mistakes you have made.  She has learned from a very strong, caring, loving and fair woman.......her mother.  I can't imagine she will not take note of  your words and lessons in your own life.  

I can imagine you are more than a bit nervous.  She will be fine.  She does have you.

AutymsMommy
by Silver Member on Mar. 6, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Making her "feel bad" isn't going to grow responsibility. It's going to lose you a daughter though (and a grandchild).

Will making her "feel bad" undo what's been done? What, ultimately, is the point of this "shaming" you propose?


Quoting delilahsmom1177:

How is twisted? How do you feel for my child? Because I will make her responcible. I will not be proud I will not throw her a baby shower etc etc. Because it is NOT a mistake it is irrensoncible and I am teaching my child to always be responcible.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting delilahsmom1177:

You would not make her feel bad for getting pregnant at such a young age clearly doing a disservice to your grandchild? 

Quoting Debmomto2girls:

I never said I would be proud but I would never feel ashamed or make her feel ashamed of herself. I would be very disappointed and sad

Quoting delilahsmom1177:

So you would be proud if your 14 year old was pregnant?

Quoting Debmomto2girls:

We obviously have different parenting thoughts. Unless my child was a criminal, I would never feel ashamed of her.



Quoting delilahsmom1177:

Getting pregnant is NOT a mistake... It is a life long thing.... My child does make mistakes. Hell she got in trouble at school today.... I love her. I would love her if she had a babay as a teen but would I be proud no...would I be ashamed YES!!!!!!!!!!

Quoting Debmomto2girls:

You could not love someone unconditionally and treat them so heartlessly. People make mistakes. You are. It perfect. I would never be ashamed of my dd's for ever making a mistake. I would never not support them.





Quoting delilahsmom1177:

When did I say I wouldn't love her? It's disgusting to feel shame when your baby gets pregnant, not out of high school no job no prospects? I also have a rule if she wants to drop out of high school she must find a new place to live(unless we opt for homeschooling that is fine) 

Quoting Debmomto2girls:

That is disgusting. I guess you never heard of



unconditional love.








Quoting delilahsmom1177:

If my DD becomes pregnant I will feel like I failed as a parent and be shamed myself. I would ONLY help my DD for my grandchild. And that would be watching the child so she could work and NOTHING else, I would not be proud and show off my pregnant DD like my mom did me. I will show off the baby but that's because the baby is innocent. I would not want to go out in public with my DD while she is pregnant. I would not give her a baby shower, nor would I buy her maturnity clothes. She would be 100% on her own..... 

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting delilahsmom1177:

They should feel alone. they should feel shamed. They are doing their children a disservice!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting CLEKate:

I personally think that teenagers need to hear this side of teen pregnancy.  They need to have the cold hard facts shoved down their throats.  So maybe they'll think twice before having unprotected sex or getting pregnant on purpose.

Okay, I see your point. However, the 'cold hard facts' should be presented in a manner that does not point fingers and does not place the teen parents in to a box where they already feel alone.

This will only make most feel worse than they may already feel.  Helpless and lost and alone.  This is telling them they have failed as a human being and will, without doubt, fail their child.

Education and prevention is key.  This campaign only points fingers with the intent to shame.  That is not positive at all.

You cannot bully some one in to doing what you want them to do.


And this right here is the problem many teens face.  Pregnant or not.

You lump every one in to one box and that is never wise.

If your child turns out to be a teen parent, do you plan on turning your back on him/her to ensure they feel alone?  Do you plan on shaming them publicly and otherwise?







You have some pretty twisted views.

My Grandson is an absolute blessing and when my daughter, at the age of 19, became pregnant, shame and disgrace was not even on my radar.  

How sad for your daughter.




I am a Home Schooling, Vaccinating, Non spanking, Nightmare Cuddling, Dessert Giving, Bedtime Kissing, Book Reading, Stay at Home Mom. I believe in the benefit of organized after school activities and nosy, involved parents. I believe in spoiling my children. I believe that I have seen the village and I do not want it anywhere near my children. Now for the controversial stuff: we have traditional gender roles, we're Catholic, I'm Libertarian, he's Republican, we're both conservative, and we own guns (now there's no need to ask, lol).             Aimee














delilahsmom1177
by Bronze Member on Mar. 6, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Great that you feel that way. Glad my grandma didn't. My aunt loved my great grandma. You know what my great grandma wore to my grandmas wedding.... A funeral gown... She was ashamed that her DD was pregnant and having to get married. She LOVED my aunt with all her heart but was always ashamed of my grandma.

Quoting AutymsMommy:


Glad you weren't my mother. Had you been, you wouldn't have a relationship with me or your grandchild.

Quoting delilahsmom1177:

A baby shower is to show off the mommy and whatnot. She can have one I will not GIVE her one. She can get gifts I will even get things for m y grandbaby... I would get anything and everything for THE BABY NOT her.

Quoting Healthystart30:

Quoting delilahsmom1177:




Baby showers are to help the new parents with stuff needed for the baby. Why wouldn't you want to help your daughter prepare for the baby? What a weird way to show support





I'm a tattooed,pagan,pro-choice,pro-legalizing marijuana,pro-gay marriage,anti-war,non-vaxing,tree hugging,animal loving,book reading,animal testing free,depression battling, trying to raise a free spirit and letting her be who she is but still teaching her important life lessons,fighting for equal rights at the same time,don't like it get over it.

delilahsmom1177
by Bronze Member on Mar. 6, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Well let's just hope my DD learns and does well and does not become a stupid teen mom.

Quoting AutymsMommy:

Making her "feel bad" isn't going to grow responsibility. It's going to lose you a daughter though (and a grandchild).

Will making her "feel bad" undo what's been done? What, ultimately, is the point of this "shaming" you propose?


Quoting delilahsmom1177:

How is twisted? How do you feel for my child? Because I will make her responcible. I will not be proud I will not throw her a baby shower etc etc. Because it is NOT a mistake it is irrensoncible and I am teaching my child to always be responcible.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting delilahsmom1177:

You would not make her feel bad for getting pregnant at such a young age clearly doing a disservice to your grandchild? 

Quoting Debmomto2girls:

I never said I would be proud but I would never feel ashamed or make her feel ashamed of herself. I would be very disappointed and sad

Quoting delilahsmom1177:

So you would be proud if your 14 year old was pregnant?

Quoting Debmomto2girls:

We obviously have different parenting thoughts. Unless my child was a criminal, I would never feel ashamed of her.



Quoting delilahsmom1177:

Getting pregnant is NOT a mistake... It is a life long thing.... My child does make mistakes. Hell she got in trouble at school today.... I love her. I would love her if she had a babay as a teen but would I be proud no...would I be ashamed YES!!!!!!!!!!

Quoting Debmomto2girls:

You could not love someone unconditionally and treat them so heartlessly. People make mistakes. You are. It perfect. I would never be ashamed of my dd's for ever making a mistake. I would never not support them.





Quoting delilahsmom1177:

When did I say I wouldn't love her? It's disgusting to feel shame when your baby gets pregnant, not out of high school no job no prospects? I also have a rule if she wants to drop out of high school she must find a new place to live(unless we opt for homeschooling that is fine) 

Quoting Debmomto2girls:

That is disgusting. I guess you never heard of



unconditional love.








Quoting delilahsmom1177:

If my DD becomes pregnant I will feel like I failed as a parent and be shamed myself. I would ONLY help my DD for my grandchild. And that would be watching the child so she could work and NOTHING else, I would not be proud and show off my pregnant DD like my mom did me. I will show off the baby but that's because the baby is innocent. I would not want to go out in public with my DD while she is pregnant. I would not give her a baby shower, nor would I buy her maturnity clothes. She would be 100% on her own..... 

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting delilahsmom1177:

They should feel alone. they should feel shamed. They are doing their children a disservice!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting CLEKate:

I personally think that teenagers need to hear this side of teen pregnancy.  They need to have the cold hard facts shoved down their throats.  So maybe they'll think twice before having unprotected sex or getting pregnant on purpose.

Okay, I see your point. However, the 'cold hard facts' should be presented in a manner that does not point fingers and does not place the teen parents in to a box where they already feel alone.

This will only make most feel worse than they may already feel.  Helpless and lost and alone.  This is telling them they have failed as a human being and will, without doubt, fail their child.

Education and prevention is key.  This campaign only points fingers with the intent to shame.  That is not positive at all.

You cannot bully some one in to doing what you want them to do.


And this right here is the problem many teens face.  Pregnant or not.

You lump every one in to one box and that is never wise.

If your child turns out to be a teen parent, do you plan on turning your back on him/her to ensure they feel alone?  Do you plan on shaming them publicly and otherwise?







You have some pretty twisted views.

My Grandson is an absolute blessing and when my daughter, at the age of 19, became pregnant, shame and disgrace was not even on my radar.  

How sad for your daughter.





I'm a tattooed,pagan,pro-choice,pro-legalizing marijuana,pro-gay marriage,anti-war,non-vaxing,tree hugging,animal loving,book reading,animal testing free,depression battling, trying to raise a free spirit and letting her be who she is but still teaching her important life lessons,fighting for equal rights at the same time,don't like it get over it.

AutymsMommy
by Silver Member on Mar. 6, 2013 at 9:00 PM
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That's cool. You're family sounds a bit twisted and backwoods in general.



Quoting delilahsmom1177:

Great that you feel that way. Glad my grandma didn't. My aunt loved my great grandma. You know what my great grandma wore to my grandmas wedding.... A funeral gown... She was ashamed that her DD was pregnant and having to get married. She LOVED my aunt with all her heart but was always ashamed of my grandma.

Quoting AutymsMommy:


Glad you weren't my mother. Had you been, you wouldn't have a relationship with me or your grandchild.

Quoting delilahsmom1177:

A baby shower is to show off the mommy and whatnot. She can have one I will not GIVE her one. She can get gifts I will even get things for m y grandbaby... I would get anything and everything for THE BABY NOT her.

Quoting Healthystart30:

Quoting delilahsmom1177:




Baby showers are to help the new parents with stuff needed for the baby. Why wouldn't you want to help your daughter prepare for the baby? What a weird way to show support







I am a Home Schooling, Vaccinating, Non spanking, Nightmare Cuddling, Dessert Giving, Bedtime Kissing, Book Reading, Stay at Home Mom. I believe in the benefit of organized after school activities and nosy, involved parents. I believe in spoiling my children. I believe that I have seen the village and I do not want it anywhere near my children. Now for the controversial stuff: we have traditional gender roles, we're Catholic, I'm Libertarian, he's Republican, we're both conservative, and we own guns (now there's no need to ask, lol).             Aimee














AutymsMommy
by Silver Member on Mar. 6, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Teen moms are stupid for getting pregnant or stupid in general?


Quoting delilahsmom1177:

Well let's just hope my DD learns and does well and does not become a stupid teen mom.

Quoting AutymsMommy:

Making her "feel bad" isn't going to grow responsibility. It's going to lose you a daughter though (and a grandchild).

Will making her "feel bad" undo what's been done? What, ultimately, is the point of this "shaming" you propose?


Quoting delilahsmom1177:

How is twisted? How do you feel for my child? Because I will make her responcible. I will not be proud I will not throw her a baby shower etc etc. Because it is NOT a mistake it is irrensoncible and I am teaching my child to always be responcible.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting delilahsmom1177:

You would not make her feel bad for getting pregnant at such a young age clearly doing a disservice to your grandchild? 

Quoting Debmomto2girls:

I never said I would be proud but I would never feel ashamed or make her feel ashamed of herself. I would be very disappointed and sad

Quoting delilahsmom1177:

So you would be proud if your 14 year old was pregnant?

Quoting Debmomto2girls:

We obviously have different parenting thoughts. Unless my child was a criminal, I would never feel ashamed of her.



Quoting delilahsmom1177:

Getting pregnant is NOT a mistake... It is a life long thing.... My child does make mistakes. Hell she got in trouble at school today.... I love her. I would love her if she had a babay as a teen but would I be proud no...would I be ashamed YES!!!!!!!!!!

Quoting Debmomto2girls:

You could not love someone unconditionally and treat them so heartlessly. People make mistakes. You are. It perfect. I would never be ashamed of my dd's for ever making a mistake. I would never not support them.





Quoting delilahsmom1177:

When did I say I wouldn't love her? It's disgusting to feel shame when your baby gets pregnant, not out of high school no job no prospects? I also have a rule if she wants to drop out of high school she must find a new place to live(unless we opt for homeschooling that is fine) 

Quoting Debmomto2girls:

That is disgusting. I guess you never heard of



unconditional love.








Quoting delilahsmom1177:

If my DD becomes pregnant I will feel like I failed as a parent and be shamed myself. I would ONLY help my DD for my grandchild. And that would be watching the child so she could work and NOTHING else, I would not be proud and show off my pregnant DD like my mom did me. I will show off the baby but that's because the baby is innocent. I would not want to go out in public with my DD while she is pregnant. I would not give her a baby shower, nor would I buy her maturnity clothes. She would be 100% on her own..... 

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting delilahsmom1177:

They should feel alone. they should feel shamed. They are doing their children a disservice!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting CLEKate:

I personally think that teenagers need to hear this side of teen pregnancy.  They need to have the cold hard facts shoved down their throats.  So maybe they'll think twice before having unprotected sex or getting pregnant on purpose.

Okay, I see your point. However, the 'cold hard facts' should be presented in a manner that does not point fingers and does not place the teen parents in to a box where they already feel alone.

This will only make most feel worse than they may already feel.  Helpless and lost and alone.  This is telling them they have failed as a human being and will, without doubt, fail their child.

Education and prevention is key.  This campaign only points fingers with the intent to shame.  That is not positive at all.

You cannot bully some one in to doing what you want them to do.


And this right here is the problem many teens face.  Pregnant or not.

You lump every one in to one box and that is never wise.

If your child turns out to be a teen parent, do you plan on turning your back on him/her to ensure they feel alone?  Do you plan on shaming them publicly and otherwise?







You have some pretty twisted views.

My Grandson is an absolute blessing and when my daughter, at the age of 19, became pregnant, shame and disgrace was not even on my radar.  

How sad for your daughter.







I am a Home Schooling, Vaccinating, Non spanking, Nightmare Cuddling, Dessert Giving, Bedtime Kissing, Book Reading, Stay at Home Mom. I believe in the benefit of organized after school activities and nosy, involved parents. I believe in spoiling my children. I believe that I have seen the village and I do not want it anywhere near my children. Now for the controversial stuff: we have traditional gender roles, we're Catholic, I'm Libertarian, he's Republican, we're both conservative, and we own guns (now there's no need to ask, lol).             Aimee














delilahsmom1177
by Bronze Member on Mar. 6, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Riiight because we don't pride teen pregnancy! Hmm now I know why it is so glamorized nowadays.

Quoting AutymsMommy:

That's cool. You're family sounds a bit twisted and backwoods in general.



Quoting delilahsmom1177:

Great that you feel that way. Glad my grandma didn't. My aunt loved my great grandma. You know what my great grandma wore to my grandmas wedding.... A funeral gown... She was ashamed that her DD was pregnant and having to get married. She LOVED my aunt with all her heart but was always ashamed of my grandma.

Quoting AutymsMommy:


Glad you weren't my mother. Had you been, you wouldn't have a relationship with me or your grandchild.

Quoting delilahsmom1177:

A baby shower is to show off the mommy and whatnot. She can have one I will not GIVE her one. She can get gifts I will even get things for m y grandbaby... I would get anything and everything for THE BABY NOT her.

Quoting Healthystart30:

Quoting delilahsmom1177:




Baby showers are to help the new parents with stuff needed for the baby. Why wouldn't you want to help your daughter prepare for the baby? What a weird way to show support








I'm a tattooed,pagan,pro-choice,pro-legalizing marijuana,pro-gay marriage,anti-war,non-vaxing,tree hugging,animal loving,book reading,animal testing free,depression battling, trying to raise a free spirit and letting her be who she is but still teaching her important life lessons,fighting for equal rights at the same time,don't like it get over it.

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