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For those who think the govt is trying to take away your guns, an honest question

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Do you realize that since Obama has been in office gun sales have reached record highs? There's nothing wrong with that but let's just think about it. Has it ever occurred to you that there are those who are profiting by lying and exaggerating and keeping the lie alive? The NRA, gun manufacturers and sellers are reaping big profits by whipping up a frenzy that Obama is out to get your guns. Has it ever occurred to you that they are manipulating you for their own gain? 

by on Mar. 6, 2013 at 11:51 PM
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Goodwoman614
by Satan on Mar. 7, 2013 at 12:14 AM

Catch-22 there, OP.

grandmab125
by Gold Member on Mar. 7, 2013 at 12:16 AM
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The questionnaire he filled out for a liberal group in Chicago when he was an IL Senator shows the true Obama.  Of course when this came out during the 2008 election, he claimed a staffer filled it out...sure.

n Wednesday, President Barack Obama signed 23 executive actions as part of the administration's gun control initiative, a move that is meeting stiff resistance due to its apparent infringement upon the Second Amendment of the U.S. constitution.

What has been Obama's stance on crime and gun control since being elected to the Illinois State Senate in 1996? After digging through limited files, the answer may be shocking.

In a 1996 questionnaire, then-state senator Barack Obama answered "Yes" to a question asking whether he would support legislation to "ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns." Thus, Obama supported the complete banishment of firearms in Illinois.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, his staff claimed that Obama never filled out the mentioned survey and that the form had been filled out by an aide who "mischaracterized" Obama's position on gun control. Skeptics believe Obama's campaign lied by making such an assertion. An examination by Politico found that Obama's own handwriting was found on the document.

KreatingMe
by Bronze Member on Mar. 7, 2013 at 12:21 AM
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Not one of those aims to remove existing guns from their current owners. 

Quoting grandmab125:

The questionnaire he filled out for a liberal group in Chicago when he was an IL Senator shows the true Obama.  Of course when this came out during the 2008 election, he claimed a staffer filled it out...sure.

n Wednesday, President Barack Obama signed 23 executive actions as part of the administration's gun control initiative, a move that is meeting stiff resistance due to its apparent infringement upon the Second Amendment of the U.S. constitution.

What has been Obama's stance on crime and gun control since being elected to the Illinois State Senate in 1996? After digging through limited files, the answer may be shocking.

In a 1996 questionnaire, then-state senator Barack Obama answered "Yes" to a question asking whether he would support legislation to "ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns." Thus, Obama supported the complete banishment of firearms in Illinois.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, his staff claimed that Obama never filled out the mentioned survey and that the form had been filled out by an aide who "mischaracterized" Obama's position on gun control. Skeptics believe Obama's campaign lied by making such an assertion. An examination by Politico found that Obama's own handwriting was found on the document.


Goodwoman614
by Satan on Mar. 7, 2013 at 12:30 AM
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Quoting soonergirl980:
I certainly have an idea there has been more than one person that has come out and said before he was President he has said things like "I don't believe people should be able to own guns" John Lott Jr who worked with Obama at the University of Chicago claims he said those very words and while there is no proof it certainly would not suprise me. Lol, once you get done deciphering the rambling, this commenter makes your point beautifully, OP. "I'm gonna b'lieve whut I'm gonna believe because it's what I want to believe!!" Facts don't matter to ideologues, and it is a catch-22: dumbfuckians don't realize they're being manipulated. They like to have to not think, much less analytically or critically.
Quoting KreatingMe:
I am not disputing your right to buy guns. Buy as you please. I fully support gun ownership. I also support limitations. You have no idea or proof that he would like to ban all guns. That's the hype you're buying into. Hype being perpetuated by those who have to gain from more guns being sold. 
Quoting soonergirl980:
Hence the buying frenzy he is attempting to take away they right to buy certain guns for a list look at the ban list.  He can't but if he could he would is the point and I and many others do not trust him to protect our right to own them therefore we buy while we can. 
Quoting KreatingMe:
Quoting soonergirl980:
No I believe they have risen because people actually believe Obama is going to attempt to take guns. Which he is. I personally feel if her could ban all guns he would I do not believe his "respect" for the 2nd is anything but lip service. 

So you don't think they're driving the fear to line their own pockets? Obama can't ban all guns and he isn't trying to. What guns is he trying to take? He is not trying to take anyones existing guns away. 



grandmab125
by Gold Member on Mar. 7, 2013 at 12:30 AM

 Taken with a grain of salt written by an Austrailian.  Austrailia, where only 5.2% of the population has a gun permit, because of extremely restrictive gun laws.  For everyones' edification:

Before someone can buy a firearm, he or she must obtain a Permit To Acquire. The first permit has a mandatory 28-day delay before it is first issued. In some states (e.g., Queensland, Victoria, and New South Wales), this is waived for second and subsequent firearms of the same class. For each firearm a "Genuine Reason" must be given, relating to pest control, hunting, target shooting, or collecting. Self-defense is not accepted as a reason for issuing a license, even though it may be legal under certain circumstances to use a legally held firearm for self-defense.[2]

Quoting turtle68:

 

Quoting KreatingMe:


Quoting turtle68:

 It occurred to me :-)  and I dont even live in your country LOL

The frenzied and scared have historically always been the people that can be corralled the easiest.

I don't understand how anyone can miss it. It seems so obvious. Many times when there's a group perpetuating a need or a fear, it's the same people profiting off of it. Not to mention the whole thing is built on a huge lie. Obama isn't going to take away anyone's guns. Anything his administration is proposing would start in the future. No one's guns are going to be retro actively banned or removed from their possession. That statement is so ignorant and false. It's the lie that keeps the fear going. 

 Its easy to believe the lie when you LIKE the lie.  Makes one clutch that gun that little bit harder with a well deserved smirk on their face...as if to say "just try and take it"  People on here post and boast about Obama being the best gun salesman in the world.  They are the ones who are feeding the fear...they love it.

The gun owners who are intelligent enough to know that this is a big fat lie....have guns...are happy with their gun and dont really feel the need to go ape everytime a anti gun post is posted.  Smart people.

Plus it really does help your (general) cause if it so happens that you are a religious nutjob and hate black people.  Then this gun lie is like Christmas all year round   JMO of course LOL

 

grandma B

grandmab125
by Gold Member on Mar. 7, 2013 at 12:32 AM

 Thought process behind his actions.....  He would ban all guns, if he could.

Quoting KreatingMe:

Not one of those aims to remove existing guns from their current owners. 

Quoting grandmab125:

The questionnaire he filled out for a liberal group in Chicago when he was an IL Senator shows the true Obama.  Of course when this came out during the 2008 election, he claimed a staffer filled it out...sure.

n Wednesday, President Barack Obama signed 23 executive actions as part of the administration's gun control initiative, a move that is meeting stiff resistance due to its apparent infringement upon the Second Amendment of the U.S. constitution.

What has been Obama's stance on crime and gun control since being elected to the Illinois State Senate in 1996? After digging through limited files, the answer may be shocking.

In a 1996 questionnaire, then-state senator Barack Obama answered "Yes" to a question asking whether he would support legislation to "ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns." Thus, Obama supported the complete banishment of firearms in Illinois.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, his staff claimed that Obama never filled out the mentioned survey and that the form had been filled out by an aide who "mischaracterized" Obama's position on gun control. Skeptics believe Obama's campaign lied by making such an assertion. An examination by Politico found that Obama's own handwriting was found on the document.


 

grandma B

glitterteaz
by Ruby Member on Mar. 7, 2013 at 12:34 AM

That require intelligence something many gun buyers lack!

Goodwoman614
by Satan on Mar. 7, 2013 at 12:35 AM
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Lol, see? Granny's in the house...bringin' us the thought processes of the President!

charleyd68
by Platinum Member on Mar. 7, 2013 at 12:55 AM
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Excellent Point!

turtle68
by Mahinaarangi on Mar. 7, 2013 at 1:33 AM

 I love living here :-)  I love our restrictions...they have helped our society, saved lots of lives.

We dont have "accidental" child deaths every day of the year (make that centuries)  People hunt and STILL we dont have "accidental" deaths....People shoot guns for fun at gun ranges....and YET STILL NO "accidental" deaths at home. 

NOBODY I have known who hunts or has them because they are farmers, and there are lots, as I grew up on farms and hunting....has ever used them as a means of self defense.  After they hunt or shoot at the range they are packed away until the next time.  They dont keep them on the ready to shoot a wouldbe intruder. 

Quoting grandmab125:

 Taken with a grain of salt written by an Austrailian.  Austrailia, where only 5.2% of the population has a gun permit, because of extremely restrictive gun laws.  For everyones' edification:

Before someone can buy a firearm, he or she must obtain a Permit To Acquire. The first permit has a mandatory 28-day delay before it is first issued. In some states (e.g., Queensland, Victoria, and New South Wales), this is waived for second and subsequent firearms of the same class. For each firearm a "Genuine Reason" must be given, relating to pest control, hunting, target shooting, or collecting. Self-defense is not accepted as a reason for issuing a license, even though it may be legal under certain circumstances to use a legally held firearm for self-defense.[2]

Quoting turtle68:

 

Quoting KreatingMe:


Quoting turtle68:

 It occurred to me :-)  and I dont even live in your country LOL

The frenzied and scared have historically always been the people that can be corralled the easiest.

I don't understand how anyone can miss it. It seems so obvious. Many times when there's a group perpetuating a need or a fear, it's the same people profiting off of it. Not to mention the whole thing is built on a huge lie. Obama isn't going to take away anyone's guns. Anything his administration is proposing would start in the future. No one's guns are going to be retro actively banned or removed from their possession. That statement is so ignorant and false. It's the lie that keeps the fear going. 

 Its easy to believe the lie when you LIKE the lie.  Makes one clutch that gun that little bit harder with a well deserved smirk on their face...as if to say "just try and take it"  People on here post and boast about Obama being the best gun salesman in the world.  They are the ones who are feeding the fear...they love it.

The gun owners who are intelligent enough to know that this is a big fat lie....have guns...are happy with their gun and dont really feel the need to go ape everytime a anti gun post is posted.  Smart people.

Plus it really does help your (general) cause if it so happens that you are a religious nutjob and hate black people.  Then this gun lie is like Christmas all year round   JMO of course LOL

 

 

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