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Question: How fucked up do you think this wealth inequality in the US is?

Options:

So much so that there are no words

Kind of messed up

Meh

Not so bad

I think it's perfect

Other, including "i'm ready for shit to hit the fan", "I don't care what's going on in the world around me", "what?", and whatever else.


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Well, I'm a dirty socialist/anarchist/communal-tribal-small-scale-utopiast, so I obviously think this is fucked. 


What do you think?

by on Mar. 7, 2013 at 4:15 PM
Replies (31-40):
brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Mar. 7, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Federal Income Tax Brackets for 2012

Tax Bracket Married Filing Jointly Single
10% Bracket $0 – $17,400 $0 – $8,700
15% Bracket $17,400 – $70,700 $8,700 – $35,350
25% Bracket $70,700 – $142,700 $35,350 – $85,650
28% Bracket $142,700 – $217,450 $85,650 – $178,650
33% Bracket $217,450 – $388,350 $178,650 – $388,350
35% Bracket Over $388,350 Over $388,350

According to both GOP/ Demo's Middle Class runs to 250,000.  That's 30 %.

There you go again the straw man tactics. I NEVER said everyone should be paid equal. Just that the Ultra Rich shouldn't be paying half of what middle class does and less than what the people in the bottom brackets pay.

Quoting talia-mom:

And I changed it to say middle class sweetie.  They don't pay 30% of their income in federal taxes.

So once again, you are incorrect in saying those that live off capital gains pay way less than everyone else.

They don't.

But if you want to make everything equal, I am good with all people paying 25% in federal income taxes and no refunds or deductions.


Quoting brookiecookie87:

So you are going to tell me that no one pays between 30-35% while people who are in the Ultra rich pay between 10-15%?

You will notice that I said middle class. Please don't switch my words to try and make a statement I never made.

Quoting talia-mom:

No one should get money back.   What you pay is what you pay and it funds the government that so many depend on.


The poor people you are defending do not pay federal rates twice what the richest people do and it is lie to say so.



Quoting brookiecookie87:


Is that your strawman tactic? Cling to the argument that no one is making?

No one has suggested that the rich need to pay at least 50% or more. Again. I am just saying they shouldn't be paying lower than the people in the bottom brackets.

Being rich doesn't make them above what other people have to pay.

Have you ever stopped to wonder why people get money back?  Should we just say, "Screw em" And let the poorer and middle class slip further and further away?  And let's not forget the middle class. Not all of them get money back (Depending where they are). And some of them pay tax rates twice as high as people at the very top.

Why should the people at the very top get to pay a tax rate that is half of what the people in the middle pay?

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talia-mom
by Gold Member on Mar. 7, 2013 at 5:29 PM
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Wow, or other people could stop expecting the rich to pay for them.


Jesus, my daddy makes 7 figures a year and you think he should pay 75% of what he earns?   He freaking works 12-15 hours days for months on end and he is selfish for having money he can spend in the down time?


Quoting mehamil1:

I saw this on facebook. 

When wealth is concentrated at the very top like it is today, lots of bad shit happens. Those at the very top could pay 70% or 75% of the money they "earn" and still live a life of luxury we can only dream of. 



mehamil1
by Platinum Member on Mar. 7, 2013 at 5:30 PM

You do realize that we aren't talking about people making it to the first million. Were talking the billionaires. Those few people who combined are sitting on a trillion dollars. Those people who did not "earn" the money but got it through gaming the system. Who got it by greed. These people who have all that did not work for it. They stole it through our own government from the people at the bottom. 

Quoting finnbar:
You are. You are a slimy shithead for having more than anybody else. You do not deserve to have more no matter how much harder you may be working than some less financially fortunate. But! You must continue to bust your butt so the poor can benefit from the huge taxes you pay
Quoting furbabymum:

 Well my DH and I are working hard toward our first million so I hope people don't think I'm a shit head for working hard and saving.

talia-mom
by Gold Member on Mar. 7, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Yep, the middle class doesn't pay 30% in taxes.


Thanks.


Quoting brookiecookie87:

Federal Income Tax Brackets for 2012

Tax Bracket Married Filing Jointly Single
10% Bracket $0 – $17,400 $0 – $8,700
15% Bracket $17,400 – $70,700 $8,700 – $35,350
25% Bracket $70,700 – $142,700 $35,350 – $85,650
28% Bracket $142,700 – $217,450 $85,650 – $178,650
33% Bracket $217,450 – $388,350 $178,650 – $388,350
35% Bracket Over $388,350 Over $388,350

According to both GOP/ Demo's Middle Class runs to 250,000.  That's 30 %.

There you go again the straw man tactics. I NEVER said everyone should be paid equal. Just that the Ultra Rich shouldn't be paying half of what middle class does and less than what the people in the bottom brackets pay.

Quoting talia-mom:

And I changed it to say middle class sweetie.  They don't pay 30% of their income in federal taxes.

So once again, you are incorrect in saying those that live off capital gains pay way less than everyone else.

They don't.

But if you want to make everything equal, I am good with all people paying 25% in federal income taxes and no refunds or deductions.


Quoting brookiecookie87:

So you are going to tell me that no one pays between 30-35% while people who are in the Ultra rich pay between 10-15%?

You will notice that I said middle class. Please don't switch my words to try and make a statement I never made.

Quoting talia-mom:

No one should get money back.   What you pay is what you pay and it funds the government that so many depend on.


The poor people you are defending do not pay federal rates twice what the richest people do and it is lie to say so.



Quoting brookiecookie87:


Is that your strawman tactic? Cling to the argument that no one is making?

No one has suggested that the rich need to pay at least 50% or more. Again. I am just saying they shouldn't be paying lower than the people in the bottom brackets.

Being rich doesn't make them above what other people have to pay.

Have you ever stopped to wonder why people get money back?  Should we just say, "Screw em" And let the poorer and middle class slip further and further away?  And let's not forget the middle class. Not all of them get money back (Depending where they are). And some of them pay tax rates twice as high as people at the very top.

Why should the people at the very top get to pay a tax rate that is half of what the people in the middle pay?



furbabymum
by Gold Member on Mar. 7, 2013 at 5:31 PM
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 But why should they have to? Just why? It takes a lot of intelligence and hard work to maintain and grow wealth.

Quoting mehamil1:

I saw this on facebook. 

When wealth is concentrated at the very top like it is today, lots of bad shit happens. Those at the very top could pay 70% or 75% of the money they "earn" and still live a life of luxury we can only dream of. 

 

krysstizzle
by on Mar. 7, 2013 at 5:31 PM
I know they're a mix of capitalism and socialism. Most economic systems are. And I acknowledge that what may be best for society at large may not be what I envision in my ideal, theoretical world.

I should have clarified : I don't like capitalism in this societal context, where the bottom economic line trumps all else.


Quoting talia-mom:

Once confronted with actual facts, you ignore. it.


Classic.

You hold them up as a model and then refuse to discuss it once it is stated they really support capitalism and development.



Quoting krysstizzle:

Whining? Our current energy sources are not going to last forever, no matter how often youand repeat it.



And im not going to debate capitalism, my mind was made up on this a while back. If it gets changed, it wont be from a discussion here.





Quoting talia-mom:

And yet they heavily support capitalism and use their natural resources to make money without people whining about finding green energy.

Really, look at their countries.   They don't have the regulations on businesses that we do here.  They do well precisely because they do allow businesses to flourish.




Quoting krysstizzle:

Oh, I intensely dislike capitalism, I think it's a system that rewards greediness.





But I also recognize that this is the reality we live in, and we should do our best to continually make a better system. I think we'll have to revision an economic system that makes sense in a large-scale, globalized world. And im honestly not sure what that will look like, exactly. The scandanavian countries are doing pretty well with democratic socialism. *shrug* there are also a lot of differences between us and them, however.





I do know that extreme wealth inequality as we have here is not good for a stable, healthy society. We need to rethink, imo. But, like I said, im just not sure at all what that will look like.






Quoting Paperfishies:

What system is fucked up and flawed?



What would your solution be?










Quoting krysstizzle:

For what it's worth, I don't think you're a shithead :)









I do, however, think wealth inequality is a serious issues with serious consequences in society that will lead to big problems. I think the system is fucked up and flawed.










Quoting furbabymum:

 Well my DH and I are working hard toward our first million so I hope people don't think I'm a shit head for working hard and saving.











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mehamil1
by Platinum Member on Mar. 7, 2013 at 5:33 PM
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Do you realize were talking about the ultra rich? Those few people, the 0.0001% who hold a trillion dollars. We're talking about them. Not your daddy with his 7 figures. That's chunk change compared to these people. And they did not "earn" it. No one can physically earn that kind of money. They got it through gaming the system utilizing our own government ad the tax laws. They got it by taking from the mouths of those at the bottom. Those at the very top. they are the epitome of greed. They are the ones who should be handing over 75% of what they "earn". No one should be allowed to control that amount of money and resources. 

Quoting talia-mom:

Wow, or other people could stop expecting the rich to pay for them.

Jesus, my daddy makes 7 figures a year and you think he should pay 75% of what he earns?   He freaking works 12-15 hours days for months on end and he is selfish for having money he can spend in the down time?

Quoting mehamil1:

I saw this on facebook. 

When wealth is concentrated at the very top like it is today, lots of bad shit happens. Those at the very top could pay 70% or 75% of the money they "earn" and still live a life of luxury we can only dream of. 

brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Mar. 7, 2013 at 5:34 PM
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Are you in denial now?

The bracket % are right there. You can look them up your self if you want.


Yep, the middle class doesn't pay 30% in taxes.


Thanks.


Quoting brookiecookie87:

Federal Income Tax Brackets for 2012

Tax Bracket Married Filing Jointly Single
10% Bracket $0 – $17,400 $0 – $8,700
15% Bracket $17,400 – $70,700 $8,700 – $35,350
25% Bracket $70,700 – $142,700 $35,350 – $85,650
28% Bracket $142,700 – $217,450 $85,650 – $178,650
33% Bracket $217,450 – $388,350 $178,650 – $388,350
35% Bracket Over $388,350 Over $388,350

According to both GOP/ Demo's Middle Class runs to 250,000.  That's 30 %.

There you go again the straw man tactics. I NEVER said everyone should be paid equal. Just that the Ultra Rich shouldn't be paying half of what middle class does and less than what the people in the bottom brackets pay.

Quoting talia-mom:

And I changed it to say middle class sweetie.  They don't pay 30% of their income in federal taxes.

So once again, you are incorrect in saying those that live off capital gains pay way less than everyone else.

They don't.

But if you want to make everything equal, I am good with all people paying 25% in federal income taxes and no refunds or deductions.


Quoting brookiecookie87:

So you are going to tell me that no one pays between 30-35% while people who are in the Ultra rich pay between 10-15%?

You will notice that I said middle class. Please don't switch my words to try and make a statement I never made.

Quoting talia-mom:

No one should get money back.   What you pay is what you pay and it funds the government that so many depend on.


The poor people you are defending do not pay federal rates twice what the richest people do and it is lie to say so.



Quoting brookiecookie87:


Is that your strawman tactic? Cling to the argument that no one is making?

No one has suggested that the rich need to pay at least 50% or more. Again. I am just saying they shouldn't be paying lower than the people in the bottom brackets.

Being rich doesn't make them above what other people have to pay.

Have you ever stopped to wonder why people get money back?  Should we just say, "Screw em" And let the poorer and middle class slip further and further away?  And let's not forget the middle class. Not all of them get money back (Depending where they are). And some of them pay tax rates twice as high as people at the very top.

Why should the people at the very top get to pay a tax rate that is half of what the people in the middle pay?





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smalltowngal
by Platinum Member on Mar. 7, 2013 at 5:34 PM
Don't forget too after 120k or so, you no longer have to pay payroll taxes so the person paying 25% is paying a similar % to the person taxed at 30%.
Quoting brookiecookie87:

Federal Income Tax Brackets for 2012

Tax Bracket Married Filing Jointly Single
10% Bracket $0 – $17,400 $0 – $8,700
15% Bracket $17,400 – $70,700 $8,700 – $35,350
25% Bracket $70,700 – $142,700 $35,350 – $85,650
28% Bracket $142,700 – $217,450 $85,650 – $178,650
33% Bracket $217,450 – $388,350 $178,650 – $388,350
35% Bracket Over $388,350 Over $388,350

According to both GOP/ Demo's Middle Class runs to 250,000.  That's 30 %.

There you go again the straw man tactics. I NEVER said everyone should be paid equal. Just that the Ultra Rich shouldn't be paying half of what middle class does and less than what the people in the bottom brackets pay.

Quoting talia-mom:

And I changed it to say middle class sweetie.  They don't pay 30% of their income in federal taxes.

So once again, you are incorrect in saying those that live off capital gains pay way less than everyone else.

They don't.

But if you want to make everything equal, I am good with all people paying 25% in federal income taxes and no refunds or deductions.


Quoting brookiecookie87:

So you are going to tell me that no one pays between 30-35% while people who are in the Ultra rich pay between 10-15%?

You will notice that I said middle class. Please don't switch my words to try and make a statement I never made.

Quoting talia-mom:

No one should get money back.   What you pay is what you pay and it funds the government that so many depend on.


The poor people you are defending do not pay federal rates twice what the richest people do and it is lie to say so.



Quoting brookiecookie87:


Is that your strawman tactic? Cling to the argument that no one is making?

No one has suggested that the rich need to pay at least 50% or more. Again. I am just saying they shouldn't be paying lower than the people in the bottom brackets.

Being rich doesn't make them above what other people have to pay.

Have you ever stopped to wonder why people get money back?  Should we just say, "Screw em" And let the poorer and middle class slip further and further away?  And let's not forget the middle class. Not all of them get money back (Depending where they are). And some of them pay tax rates twice as high as people at the very top.

Why should the people at the very top get to pay a tax rate that is half of what the people in the middle pay?


mehamil1
by Platinum Member on Mar. 7, 2013 at 5:35 PM

No it doesn't. Bullshit. I'm talking about the ultra rich, the 0.001% of the population who controls a trillion dollars like it said in the video. I'm talking about those people, not you or anyone near your income bracket.

It takes a lot of greed and cheating and stealing to get to that point. And they did it using our own government to get it. 

Quoting furbabymum:

 But why should they have to? Just why? It takes a lot of intelligence and hard work to maintain and grow wealth.

Quoting mehamil1:

I saw this on facebook. 

When wealth is concentrated at the very top like it is today, lots of bad shit happens. Those at the very top could pay 70% or 75% of the money they "earn" and still live a life of luxury we can only dream of. 

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