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My oldest son has been back in school since January (we had been homeschooling), and he's been coming home with some interesting stories about his science teacher.

According to his science teacher,

1- If you love your mother, than you must believe in Jesus, because Jesus is love.

2- The science curriculum is not "the truth", and he hates that he has to teach from it.

3- He has only been confronted by one parent in his 20 years in the classroom, because the "lovely town" he teaches in is predominantly Christian.


I've taken some steps to find out what is going on, etc. But because we've been talking about the separation of church and state (or the myth of it, according to some posters) in another thread, I thought it would be good to get another perspective out there. This is a public school, and an actual science class where this is happening. And in 20 years, no one has really done anything about it.

If you were me, what would you do?

Also, can we please put to rest the idea that this kind of thing does not happen in the public schools?

by on Mar. 14, 2013 at 6:09 PM
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hockytwndhampyr
by on Mar. 14, 2013 at 7:27 PM
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Yes us Christian do believe that anyone who does not except Jesus as Savior will go to hell, except for the Jews because the Bible says they are still God's chosen people. Those boys had no business saying that to your son.

Quoting lizzielouaf:

It started because the boys were talking about Jesus and my son said he didn't know who that was. It went downhill from there. I wanted to lose my shit but managed not to. We took him out the next week and now we commute 2 hours a day to his private school but it's been totally worth it. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but don't Christians believe any one that doesn't accept Jesus as their savior will burn in hell?




Quoting pansyprincess:

omg.  I would have lost my shit if that happened.  That is unreal.  I can't even imagine.  And who the fuck is teaching their children that jews burn in hell??




Quoting lizzielouaf:

As a Jew, I would be extremely displeased with an educator saying that to my son. My youngest son attended public school for 6 months. It ended shortly after 2 kids in his class repeatedly told him Jews burn in hell, the teacher sent my son to the principal for crying and causing a scene in class. He was in 3rd grade at the time...






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GLWerth
by Gina on Mar. 14, 2013 at 7:39 PM

If he's been doing it for 20 years, chances are he won't be willing to fix the problem, won't even be willing to SEE the problem.

I would see about recording in any case before going to speak to anyone about him stopping the behavior, just to have specifics to cite.

The getting him fired is more cutting to the end based on my figuring that he would not change anything at all. At any rate, there would be some serious discussions with administration and the teacher.

A teacher who tells kids that what he is teaching is false is not suited to be teaching that material.

Quoting desertlvn:

 

You'd go straight to hidden cameras and trying to fire the guy? Why not start with giving the guy a chance to fix the problem?

Quoting GLWerth:

I'd be working on getting it on video so he could be fired for his behavior. If he wants to teach religion, he should teach in a private school.

Inappropriate in a public school.

 

 

 

 

AutymsMommy
by Silver Member on Mar. 14, 2013 at 7:42 PM

If a student had asked him directly if he (the teacher) agreed with x, y, and z, I couldn't fault the teacher for being honest.

However, it doesn't appear that it happened that way. It sounds like he's going out of his way to "evangelize" the children, in a way that almost makes it certain the impressionable, curious children will ask more questions and he'll get to talk about it more.

If I were you, I'd skip the principal - if he's been doing this for over 20 years, odds are she/he knows and approves on some level (if only by not acting on it). I would go to the school board directly.

I am Catholic. I love God! I also love my country and firmly agree with the ideal of secular public schools. Some parents, such as myself, want God incorporated into our children's education - and for that we have many options (parochial school or, like we chose, homeschool).

I am a Home Schooling, Vaccinating, Non spanking, Nightmare Cuddling, Dessert Giving, Bedtime Kissing, Book Reading, Stay at Home Mom. I believe in the benefit of organized after school activities and nosy, involved parents. I believe in spoiling my children. I believe that I have seen the village and I do not want it anywhere near my children. Now for the controversial stuff: we have traditional gender roles, we're Catholic, I'm Libertarian, he's Republican, we're both conservative, and we own guns (now there's no need to ask, lol).             Aimee














AutymsMommy
by Silver Member on Mar. 14, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Eh. Not all Christian schools would allow him to teach his desired version of "creation science".


Quoting tweety101149:

It sounds like this "teacher" is unhappy teaching science, or what the world knows as science.   If he wishes to teach the creation as the "science" of the world, then he should be a lay teacher at a Christian school, and teach the doctrine he is more comfortable with.  

We don't need to fool around with hidden cameras or microphones, and if more than one child complains or testifies that is colaberation enough for proof.  If the admnistrative powers cannot or will not correct the problem, perhaps it is time then to file suit in the federal courts, since they are breaking federal laws.   

BTW, G-d is still in the classroom, he lives and breathes in the heart ad soul of every child that believes in Him.

 He is just not being taught in the public schools, there is parochial schools for that, also houses of worship for all religions.  



I am a Home Schooling, Vaccinating, Non spanking, Nightmare Cuddling, Dessert Giving, Bedtime Kissing, Book Reading, Stay at Home Mom. I believe in the benefit of organized after school activities and nosy, involved parents. I believe in spoiling my children. I believe that I have seen the village and I do not want it anywhere near my children. Now for the controversial stuff: we have traditional gender roles, we're Catholic, I'm Libertarian, he's Republican, we're both conservative, and we own guns (now there's no need to ask, lol).             Aimee














gsprofval
by Silver Member on Mar. 14, 2013 at 7:51 PM
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Perhaps the teacher was just going over the different theories of how man got here on earth.  I wouldn't have  a problem with God being a part of that discussion.  I am in he Bible belt and I'm thankful for that.

As for Darwin's theory of evolution--had a go-round with my daughter's teacher about that because even Darwin admitted his theory of evolution was WRONG and that GOD created the earth and everything on it, but the teacher failed to tell the whole truth about Darwin until I pointed it out to him.

Sekirei
by Nari Trickster on Mar. 14, 2013 at 7:53 PM
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Huh? When did Darwin do that??? 

Quoting gsprofval:

Perhaps the teacher was just going over the different theories of how man got here on earth.  I wouldn't have  a problem with God being a part of that discussion.  I am in he Bible belt and I'm thankful for that.

As for Darwin's theory of evolution--had a go-round with my daughter's teacher about that because even Darwin admitted his theory of evolution was WRONG and that GOD created the earth and everything on it, but the teacher failed to tell the whole truth about Darwin until I pointed it out to him.


DragonMother10
by on Mar. 14, 2013 at 7:57 PM
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I'd be pissed! Not only because I am an Atheist, but I don't need someone to tell my children that science is BS. Teachers in public schools need to keep their faith to themselves, regardless if the town is predominantly Christian.
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turtle68
by Mahinaarangi on Mar. 14, 2013 at 8:00 PM

 IMO...where would it get you if you said something? 

I would teach my kid....that the teacher is wrong.

DragonMother10
by on Mar. 14, 2013 at 8:02 PM
Wow....I am lost for words.


Quoting lizzielouaf:

As a Jew, I would be extremely displeased with an educator saying that to my son. My youngest son attended public school for 6 months. It ended shortly after 2 kids in his class repeatedly told him Jews burn in hell, the teacher sent my son to the principal for crying and causing a scene in class. He was in 3rd grade at the time...

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Fullmoon_Goddes
by Member on Mar. 14, 2013 at 8:13 PM
What?! Theology and science are not usually combined even in Christian private schools...at least not the ones I attended.

Thanks for posting because there is a very thick and bold line between Church and State in my kids' school district.

Awareness is a good thing.
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