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Catholic support marriage equality by larger margin than the rest of America

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Friday, March 8, 2013 8:50 EDT
A Catholic churchgoer holds a cross and rosary beads in Ireland in 2010. (AFP Photo)
 

US Catholics support gay marriage by a larger margin than ordinary Americans despite Church teachings that forbid it, a new poll out Friday has found.

The Quinnipiac University poll found 54 percent of Catholics support same-sex marriage while just 38 percent are opposed, compared to a 47-43 percent margin among all American voters.

Both margins represent a reversal from the 36-55 percent opposition among all voters the group found as recently as July 2008.

“Catholic voters are leading American voters toward support for same-sex marriage,” said Peter Brown, assistant director of the polling institute.

US Catholics are more ambivalent when its comes to the Church, with 52 percent saying it is moving in the right direction, while the same percentage says Church leaders are out of touch with their views.

Fifty-five percent said the next pope should move the Church in a new direction, while 38 percent said he should maintain the Church as it is.

“Looking at all adult Catholics, different from the wider survey of all registered voters, we see a conflicted group,” Brown said.

Those surveyed said priests should be allowed to marry by a margin of 62-30 percent and 64 percent said the next pope should relax rules on contraception, compared to 28 percent who were opposed.

Eighty-one percent of Catholic respondents said the Church should do more to combat child sex abuse by priests.

Quinnipiac surveyed 497 Catholic adults from February 27 to March 4, with a margin of error of 4.4 percent.

The same-sex marriage question was asked of 1,944 registered voters nationwide, with a margin of error of 2.2 percent.


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/08/catholic-support-marriage-equality-by-larger-margin-than-the-rest-of-america/


by on Mar. 16, 2013 at 4:36 AM
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my4yahoos
by Member on Mar. 18, 2013 at 9:20 PM
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Many understand that we have to abide by our nations laws as well. Our country says were are supposed to be equal. Thus doesn't mean that Catholics have to agree with ssm, but they understand that its illegal to deny ssm to its citizens.
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Sisteract
by Whoopie on Mar. 18, 2013 at 9:25 PM

This is a great approach. I wish more people followed this line of thought. Vote your belief and conscience, but if the majority do not agree, accept and move on. Itoften seems [on CM] that those in the minority vote are continually grousing and stomping their feet.

Quoting wenchmommy381:

In a sense, yes. But please hear me out...
I truly believe my religion has it right. As an American, I have the freedom to vote with my conscience. So long as my conscience does no harm to others, I will choose the people and issues that best convey my beliefs.
Those who do not agree with me are welcome to make their voices heard as well. If there are more people who agree with them than wuth me, well... that's just how it goes. I will not grouse or stomp my feet if I am not getting my way. If more people agree with me, then that's okay, too.
But I think we're deviating from the topic, so I'll explain how it applies here. As I have said before, I don't want a gay marriage, so I won't have one. As such, I don't support it outright. If people who support gay marriage get what they want, that is really fine by me too. This is America after all.


Quoting autodidact:

spin?  just answer the question. do you feel that YOUR chuch's dogma should dictate the lives of non-catholics? 



Quoting wenchmommy381:

It was not my intent to say that. I do not place others in the categories of "good" or "bad" Catholic; just "practicing" and "non-practicing." 

Please do not try to spin my statements further, and I will do the same. Thank you.

Quoting autodidact:

so you're not a good catholic unless you're willing to force catholic dogma on others? 



Quoting wenchmommy381:

Also, I don't know where Quinnipiac gets folks to respond to polls, but they are based in the east coast, where some of the most liberal Catholics reside. 

Cafeteria Catholics frustrate me.... if you don't want to accept Catholic teaching, there are PLENTY of other Christian denominations to choose from: Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.









autodidact
by Platinum Member on Mar. 18, 2013 at 10:58 PM
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it DOES do harm to others. do you think it's acceptable for a mother to die alone, both she and her children deprived of thier last minutes together? because that happened. a lesbian couple who were forced through marriage discrimination to pay legal fees to establish the kind of access that for straight families come with a marriage license. despite their trouble to make these arrangements, the hospital where the woman was treated wouldn't honor the documentation, or let the dying woman's family spend her last time in her room, they refused to recognize their right as a family to have that. 

people have lost property they were invested in this way. a woman whose lover wanted to honor their commmitment by taking her home to care for her after a debilitating accident was blocked from doing so by the same parents who'd thrown their daughter out and disowned her for being gay. 

that's the harm it does. 

Quoting wenchmommy381:

In a sense, yes. But please hear me out...
I truly believe my religion has it right. As an American, I have the freedom to vote with my conscience. So long as my conscience does no harm to others, I will choose the people and issues that best convey my beliefs.
Those who do not agree with me are welcome to make their voices heard as well. If there are more people who agree with them than wuth me, well... that's just how it goes. I will not grouse or stomp my feet if I am not getting my way. If more people agree with me, then that's okay, too.
But I think we're deviating from the topic, so I'll explain how it applies here. As I have said before, I don't want a gay marriage, so I won't have one. As such, I don't support it outright. If people who support gay marriage get what they want, that is really fine by me too. This is America after all.


Quoting autodidact:

spin?  just answer the question. do you feel that YOUR chuch's dogma should dictate the lives of non-catholics? 



Quoting wenchmommy381:

It was not my intent to say that. I do not place others in the categories of "good" or "bad" Catholic; just "practicing" and "non-practicing." 

Please do not try to spin my statements further, and I will do the same. Thank you.

Quoting autodidact:

so you're not a good catholic unless you're willing to force catholic dogma on others? 



Quoting wenchmommy381:

Also, I don't know where Quinnipiac gets folks to respond to polls, but they are based in the east coast, where some of the most liberal Catholics reside. 

Cafeteria Catholics frustrate me.... if you don't want to accept Catholic teaching, there are PLENTY of other Christian denominations to choose from: Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.













Goodwoman614
by Satan on Mar. 18, 2013 at 11:37 PM



Quoting lizmarie1975:

My aunt is a Catholic nun (Dominican order), has been for over 60 years. She supports same sex marriage.

Nuns are usually more progressive than the priests. IMO, it's because nuns are the ones in the trenches, actually dealing with humanity.


wenchmommy381
by Wenchy on Mar. 19, 2013 at 11:42 AM
There's two kinds of marriage: legal and sacramental. Legal marriage is between whomever the government allows it to be between. Sacramental marriage happens within the bounds of a given religion. My uncle married his wife in a courthouse. That doesn't make her any less my aunt.... legally. But in the Catholic church, they're not sacramentally married. It doesn't bother any of us, including the church they attend.

Go ahead, make your voice heard. Let it be louder than those who would say legal and sacramental marriage should be exactly the same. The examples you posted speak to allowing legal marriage, or civil unions.


Quoting autodidact:


it DOES do harm to others. do you think it's acceptable for a mother to die alone, both she and her children deprived of thier last minutes together? because that happened. a lesbian couple who were forced through marriage discrimination to pay legal fees to establish the kind of access that for straight families come with a marriage license. despite their trouble to make these arrangements, the hospital where the woman was treated wouldn't honor the documentation, or let the dying woman's family spend her last time in her room, they refused to recognize their right as a family to have that. 

people have lost property they were invested in this way. a woman whose lover wanted to honor their commmitment by taking her home to care for her after a debilitating accident was blocked from doing so by the same parents who'd thrown their daughter out and disowned her for being gay. 

that's the harm it does. 


Quoting wenchmommy381:

In a sense, yes. But please hear me out...

I truly believe my religion has it right. As an American, I have the freedom to vote with my conscience. So long as my conscience does no harm to others, I will choose the people and issues that best convey my beliefs.

Those who do not agree with me are welcome to make their voices heard as well. If there are more people who agree with them than wuth me, well... that's just how it goes. I will not grouse or stomp my feet if I am not getting my way. If more people agree with me, then that's okay, too.

But I think we're deviating from the topic, so I'll explain how it applies here. As I have said before, I don't want a gay marriage, so I won't have one. As such, I don't support it outright. If people who support gay marriage get what they want, that is really fine by me too. This is America after all.




Quoting autodidact:

spin?  just answer the question. do you feel that YOUR chuch's dogma should dictate the lives of non-catholics? 




Quoting wenchmommy381:

It was not my intent to say that. I do not place others in the categories of "good" or "bad" Catholic; just "practicing" and "non-practicing." 

Please do not try to spin my statements further, and I will do the same. Thank you.

Quoting autodidact:

so you're not a good catholic unless you're willing to force catholic dogma on others? 




Quoting wenchmommy381:

Also, I don't know where Quinnipiac gets folks to respond to polls, but they are based in the east coast, where some of the most liberal Catholics reside. 

Cafeteria Catholics frustrate me.... if you don't want to accept Catholic teaching, there are PLENTY of other Christian denominations to choose from: Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.













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blondekosmic15
by on Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:13 PM
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Quoting 12hellokitty:

 

The core message is the Eucharist which Catholics can receive daily by attending Mass.

Yes, the Body & Blood of Our Lord which gives tremendous strength to those who rec' in the state of grace. I attended daily Mass for yrs. Due to responsibilities I attend several times a wk now. Sadly some Catholics are Catholic in name only. Disobedience is the worse sin. The sin which cost Lucifer his place in Heaven may have been his pride & arrogance but disobedience leads to many sins & a separation from God~+

Quoting Sisteract:

The # of times you attend mass a week reveals nothing about faith or spirituality. Lots are still missing the core message.

Quoting 12hellokitty:

Not surprising many people identify as Catholic, yet are not practicing Catholics.  In surveys of Catholics who attend Mass once a week the percentage goes down, and even further among Catholics who attend Mass more then once a week.  

 

 

 

 

blondekosmic15
by on Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:32 PM
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Quoting Goodwoman614:

 

 

Quoting lizmarie1975:

My aunt is a Catholic nun (Dominican order), has been for over 60 years. She supports same sex marriage.

Jesus is clear about the sin of homosexuality. However one conducts themselves they will lead many souls to Heaven or to hell. Immorality offends God deeply. The body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit. In terms of immorality and the Sacred Scriptures, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, forever. Sexual practices & sinfulness do not depend upon the times we are living in. Certainly not according to personal opinion & society.

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

2 Tim. 4:3

Nuns are usually more progressive than the priests. IMO, it's because nuns are the ones in the trenches, actually dealing with humanity.

Excuse me....Catholic Priests risk their lives daily esp in dangerous regions of the world. They not only work in the trenches, they deal with poverty, suffering and death. Obedience to the teachings of the Church is a willingness to love God more than yourself. Free will determines faithfulness & obedience to God esp when the teachings are being trampled upon. In the United States I have met many Priests who sacrifice their lives for the salvation of souls. They do not conform their Priesthood to the beliefs of those who shun the Scriptures & the moral teachings of the Church~

 

blondekosmic15
by on Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:36 PM
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Quoting mehamil1:

News flash, pedophilia and homosexuality are two very different things. 

Reality...immorality leads to more sins against the virtue of purity.

Quoting kansasmom1978:

that is because most of the priests who abuse are gay

 

LavenderMom23
by Bronze Member on Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM
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This is what passes for facts? I am Catholic and no one in my 4,000 member parish even thinks that gay activities okay, much less legalize it. The new Pope, any Catholic knows, is staunchly anti-gay marriage saying is harms children. PLZ

blondekosmic15
by on Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:40 PM
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Quoting jaxTheMomm:

I know so many Catholics - like, lifelong Catholics.  My whole core group of girlfriends are Catholics that grew up together.  They all support marriage equality.

Obviously the Catholics you hang out with are unaware of the writings of the Virgin Mary & the Saints. There will be a schism within the Catholic Church. Those who obey the Church & those who are disobedient. The faithful do NOT follow the crowd. Signs of our times....

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