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Explain why the Pope is closer to God then you think I can be?

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Worshiping a man, albeit the pope, seems in conflict with the teachings of Moses. That shall not worship false idols.

In Jesus's own words did he not say. I am the way and the light?

Isn't it contradictory to worship the teachings of Christ while giving a earthy man so much credit?
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by on Mar. 20, 2013 at 5:22 AM
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blurp
by Member on Mar. 20, 2013 at 8:11 AM

 well it's already been written anyways.  I'm not perfect, not saying the time is ready or not for the churches to be shown the mighty king with his new city jerusalem, all made up,... ready for the bride...

but one thing is for sure.. we are all sinners and all on this earth including those in the past who've died will credit God. 

The bible was written for our enjoyment and positive promises.  When it said every knee will bow and each language confess and know God...  it's just a tad bit persuasive.   KWIM??????????????


Quoting romalove:


Quoting blurp:

 unless I am interpreting it the entire wrong way,  the bible says not to give credence to those who sit at the head of tables and wearing showy attire as though it has merit in God's kingdom.  They are just looking to see others' have more attention to them,

in other words, we are all just like they are sometimes, and we aren't getting any more credit or merit for our looks or way out dressing as though it's a pathway to righteousness or something like that.

Our hearts are the thing that matter.   Our behavior and attitude toward others,  even if we cannot heal them, or cast out a devil.  God sees our intentions, and how sincere our intentions are.   

Since the world tries its; hardest to cast aside those things that are really for benefit.   IT's hard to undo it's effects.

 

Quoting romalove:


Quoting blurp:

 I did not say catholics.   It's a reference to those garments worn, whomever wears , them....  for showiness, like in the way garments are worn at funerals, or processions fringed or embellished for show only...  like the garment is more of an item then the persons' preaching of faith...

I am referring to the ones who preach catholic religion in the church ,   not to judge them in any way but judging the garments..  we aren't here to downplay anyones' beliefs, what I am doing is having a conversation with you ( since you're the only one responding)   In this way I am still learning but not bashing to learn against the differences or profit somehow myself, I am forgiving, but it's not a sin....

it's just that the bible was saying this ... to beware of people that have long flowing robes with embellishings and tassles, and flowy garments with too much fancy attire just to gain some type of attention as though they are getting some undeserved persuasion from the ones who are listening to their preaching.   It's not about what we wear, in other words,

'................listen to what God does, and Jesus ''more'', than what we see in people, their attire, excess, etc.  IT's just all showy.

 

Quoting romalove:


Quoting blurp:

 then what would a religion be purposelessly doing on a ceremony on television only to get followers or response or just noticed , what is the pomp and circumstance all about?  It seems very wasteful if unnecessary to promote something nobody is really paying attention to anyway.

What is a conduit?

And so far Jesus was the only one to make a statement about ..."if you see someone who likes to be sitting at the head of the table;;''', and .....

-   when  ....'' you they wearing garments that are full of garnishings and excess for showiness, than they are not to be trusted''.  

I would think that they are trying in any attempt to make themselves holier than they are to get respect.  But going for a position as head of anything religious isn't something I'd bank on just because it's on t.v. or has a huge magnanamous building behind it ...    the proper building that will be built will be the one for Jerusalem and it's permanance.  

we all make mistakes, but I think that when we just judge ourselves usually it's for our own growth with God personally.  not that even nobody judges anyone, since we all do at times.   We're judged also.

I hope that everyone somehow will just come to trust Jesus as Gods' son and the future king of the whole earth...  that is so complete. 

Quoting romalove:


Quoting toomanypoodles:

 Yup.  This is why I am not a Catholic.  I have a direct link to God, using the Name of Jesus...I don't need to be absolved of my sins by anyone but Christ. 

What makes you think Catholics don't have a direct link to God?  What makes you think Christ isn't who is absolving their sins?

You are mistaking having a conduit for the conduit being the absolver.

You may "prefer" it your way but that doesn't mean your way is "the" way.

 

 

Um what?

Catholics have it as "right" as anyone.

Don't believe me?

Prove it.

Oh right, you can't....

 

 

So what are you saying?  That because the Pope wears "showy garments" that's against the Bible?

You should know in having this discussion with me I am not a Catholic.

 

 

I can see why you don't want to be interpreted as Catholic bashing.  LOL


 

romalove
by Roma on Mar. 20, 2013 at 8:14 AM
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Quoting blurp:

 well it's already been written anyways.  I'm not perfect, not saying the time is ready or not for the churches to be shown the mighty king with his new city jerusalem, all made up,... ready for the bride...

but one thing is for sure.. we are all sinners and all on this earth including those in the past who've died will credit God. 

The bible was written for our enjoyment and positive promises.  When it said every knee will bow and each language confess and know God...  it's just a tad bit persuasive.   KWIM??????????????


Quoting romalove:


Quoting blurp:

 unless I am interpreting it the entire wrong way,  the bible says not to give credence to those who sit at the head of tables and wearing showy attire as though it has merit in God's kingdom.  They are just looking to see others' have more attention to them,

in other words, we are all just like they are sometimes, and we aren't getting any more credit or merit for our looks or way out dressing as though it's a pathway to righteousness or something like that.

Our hearts are the thing that matter.   Our behavior and attitude toward others,  even if we cannot heal them, or cast out a devil.  God sees our intentions, and how sincere our intentions are.   

Since the world tries its; hardest to cast aside those things that are really for benefit.   IT's hard to undo it's effects.


Quoting romalove:


Quoting blurp:

 I did not say catholics.   It's a reference to those garments worn, whomever wears , them....  for showiness, like in the way garments are worn at funerals, or processions fringed or embellished for show only...  like the garment is more of an item then the persons' preaching of faith...

I am referring to the ones who preach catholic religion in the church ,   not to judge them in any way but judging the garments..  we aren't here to downplay anyones' beliefs, what I am doing is having a conversation with you ( since you're the only one responding)   In this way I am still learning but not bashing to learn against the differences or profit somehow myself, I am forgiving, but it's not a sin....

it's just that the bible was saying this ... to beware of people that have long flowing robes with embellishings and tassles, and flowy garments with too much fancy attire just to gain some type of attention as though they are getting some undeserved persuasion from the ones who are listening to their preaching.   It's not about what we wear, in other words,

'................listen to what God does, and Jesus ''more'', than what we see in people, their attire, excess, etc.  IT's just all showy.


Quoting romalove:


Quoting blurp:

 then what would a religion be purposelessly doing on a ceremony on television only to get followers or response or just noticed , what is the pomp and circumstance all about?  It seems very wasteful if unnecessary to promote something nobody is really paying attention to anyway.

What is a conduit?

And so far Jesus was the only one to make a statement about ..."if you see someone who likes to be sitting at the head of the table;;''', and .....

-   when  ....'' you they wearing garments that are full of garnishings and excess for showiness, than they are not to be trusted''.  

I would think that they are trying in any attempt to make themselves holier than they are to get respect.  But going for a position as head of anything religious isn't something I'd bank on just because it's on t.v. or has a huge magnanamous building behind it ...    the proper building that will be built will be the one for Jerusalem and it's permanance.  

we all make mistakes, but I think that when we just judge ourselves usually it's for our own growth with God personally.  not that even nobody judges anyone, since we all do at times.   We're judged also.

I hope that everyone somehow will just come to trust Jesus as Gods' son and the future king of the whole earth...  that is so complete. 

Quoting romalove:


Quoting toomanypoodles:

 Yup.  This is why I am not a Catholic.  I have a direct link to God, using the Name of Jesus...I don't need to be absolved of my sins by anyone but Christ. 

What makes you think Catholics don't have a direct link to God?  What makes you think Christ isn't who is absolving their sins?

You are mistaking having a conduit for the conduit being the absolver.

You may "prefer" it your way but that doesn't mean your way is "the" way.



Um what?

Catholics have it as "right" as anyone.

Don't believe me?

Prove it.

Oh right, you can't....



So what are you saying?  That because the Pope wears "showy garments" that's against the Bible?

You should know in having this discussion with me I am not a Catholic.



I can see why you don't want to be interpreted as Catholic bashing.  LOL



You are entitled to your opinion.

Do I know what you mean?

Yes.

Do I think you are correct?

Absolutely not.

candlegal
by Judy on Mar. 20, 2013 at 8:14 AM

so he is a Eucharist Minister?

Quoting mommajen32:


Quoting candlegal:

they is whoever you are talking to about your transgressions if they are not a Priest.   Only a Priest can forgive sins in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.



My Uncle is a Chaplain's assistant in the Army, he goes on the battlefield with the Eucharist, etc...  I will ask him what authority he has (which would include desperate situations). Interesting question for him. 

I do agree that the power of the priest is different than the "power" seen in the Protestant churches. Surely they reply with: 

1 Timothy 2:5


For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,



Mommy_of_Riley
by Jes on Mar. 20, 2013 at 8:26 AM
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We don't worship the Pope.

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LilliesValley
by Bronze Member on Mar. 20, 2013 at 8:35 AM
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I'm Catholic, but I don't believe everything they teach. Honestly thinking that you must go to confession and that sort of thing is one of my major issues. To me the pope is just a figure head, like the president. My relationship with god is a one on one thing. I've only been to confession once, and that was to get back into church so our daughter could be baptized. We felt it was important that she be raised with some sort of faith and we were both raised catholic so we knew what to expected. When dd asks questions I tell her what Catholics believe, what I believe, what her dad believes and what other religions think.

Interestingly enough the one time I went to confession the priest was great and I told him my honest feelings with confession and he just said it was fine if I didn't come again. In many ways confession helps some but others are ok with not doing it.

I'm as close to god as I need to be. I don't think of the pope as being closer to god, but just a representative of god and his teachings. In theory he tries to follow the teachings as best as he can. But he is still a man and imperfect.
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mommajen32
by Platinum Member on Mar. 20, 2013 at 8:37 AM


Quoting candlegal:

so he is a Eucharist Minister?


Yes that's part of it, he basically acts on the battlefield as protector of the priest.   He does have special privileges because he may be dealing with people that are dying. I know he does carry and has carried the Eucharist on the battlefield. He's served in Iraq and Afghanistan. A large part of his job is grief counseling and preparing funerals. 

candlegal
by Judy on Mar. 20, 2013 at 8:42 AM

Many lay people have become Eucharist Ministers.    We probably have 100 at our Church for 5000 families.

Quoting mommajen32:


Quoting candlegal:

so he is a Eucharist Minister?


Yes that's part of it, he basically acts on the battlefield as protector of the priest.   He does have special privileges because he may be dealing with people that are dying. I know he does carry and has carried the Eucharist on the battlefield. He's served in Iraq and Afghanistan. A large part of his job is grief counseling and preparing funerals. 


mommajen32
by Platinum Member on Mar. 20, 2013 at 8:48 AM


Quoting candlegal:

Many lay people have become Eucharist Ministers.    We probably have 100 at our Church for 5000 families.

Quoting mommajen32:


Quoting candlegal:

so he is a Eucharist Minister?


Yes that's part of it, he basically acts on the battlefield as protector of the priest.   He does have special privileges because he may be dealing with people that are dying. I know he does carry and has carried the Eucharist on the battlefield. He's served in Iraq and Afghanistan. A large part of his job is grief counseling and preparing funerals. 


I know I was a Eucharistic minister at the Cathedral here....but I do believe hisposition because he deals with dying people on the battlefield extends beyond.

candlegal
by Judy on Mar. 20, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Maybe he is a Deacon.

Quoting mommajen32:


Quoting candlegal:

Many lay people have become Eucharist Ministers.    We probably have 100 at our Church for 5000 families.

Quoting mommajen32:


Quoting candlegal:

so he is a Eucharist Minister?


Yes that's part of it, he basically acts on the battlefield as protector of the priest.   He does have special privileges because he may be dealing with people that are dying. I know he does carry and has carried the Eucharist on the battlefield. He's served in Iraq and Afghanistan. A large part of his job is grief counseling and preparing funerals. 


I know I was a Eucharistic minister at the Cathedral here....but I do believe hisposition because he deals with dying people on the battlefield extends beyond.


Raintree
by Ruby Member on Mar. 20, 2013 at 8:59 AM


Quoting blurp:

It seems all in all we have to need a personal relationship with God through JEsus Christ, and trust the whole idea .

on cafemom it's not about being right or getting points, I am only seeing this as a comparison from other religions as the world gets trapped daily in or about them. 

Sometimes knowing the truth is not as simple as the world ensnarls it.    The truth is there no matter what. It's never changed.

I often wonder if buddhists and hindus have these discussions.

"It seems all in all we have to need a personal relationship with Ganesha, and trust the whole idea"

or whatever.

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