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Family’s Home Raided over Facebook Photo of Child’s Rifle

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By Todd Starnes

New Jersey police and Dept. of Children and Families officials raided the home of a firearms instructor and demanded to see his guns after he posted a Facebook photo of his 11-year-old son holding a rifle.

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“Someone called family services about the photo,” said Evan Nappen, an attorney representing Shawn Moore. “It led to an incredible, heavy-handed raid on his house. They wanted to see his gun safe, his guns and search his house. They even threatened to take his kids.”

Moore was not arrested or charged.

This is the Facebook photo that led to the police raid.

This is the Facebook photo that led to the police raid.

A Dept. of Children and Families spokesperson told Fox News they could not confirm or deny an investigation or raid had taken place due to government regulations.

“The department has a child abuse hotline for the state of New Jersey and anybody can make a call to that hotline,” spokesperson Kristen Brown said. “We are required to follow up on every single allegation that comes into the central registry.”

Moore, of Carneys Point, is a certified firearms instructor for the National Rifle Association, an NRA range safety officer and a New Jersey hunter education instructor.

He recently posted a photograph of his son wearing camouflage and holding his new .22 rifle. The child has a New Jersey hunting license and recently passed the state’s hunter safety course.

“If you look at the picture, his finger isn’t even on the trigger – which is proper,” Nappen told Fox News. “If half of Hollywood could follow that rule we’d be thankful.”

Brown said their role is not to go out and search Facebook for photos of children holding weapons.

“In general our role is to investigate allegations of child abuse and neglect,” she said.

The family’s trouble started Saturday night when Moore received an urgent text message from his wife. The Carneys Point Police Dept. and the New Jersey Dept. of Children and Families had raided their home.

Moore immediately called Nappen and rushed home to find officers demanding to check his guns and his gun safe.

Instead, he handed the cell phone to one of the officers – so they could speak with Nappen.

“If you have a warrant, you’re coming in,” Nappen told the officers. “If you don’t, then you’re not. That’s what privacy is all about.”

With his attorney on speaker phone, Moore instructed the officers to leave his home.

“I was told I was being unreasonable and that I was acting suspicious because I wouldn’t open my safe,” Moore wrote on the Delaware Open Carry website. “They told me they were going to get a search warrant. I told them to go ahead.”

Moore took this photo of police outside his home.

Moore took this photo of police outside his home.

Nappen told Fox News the police wanted to inventory his firearms.

“”We said no way, it’s not happening,” he said. “This is a guy who is completely credentialed and his son is also credentialed.”

The attorney said police eventually left and never returned.

“He has a Fourth Amendment right and he’s not going to give up his Fourth Amendment right or his Second Amendment right,” he said. “They didn’t have a warrant – so see you later.”

Brown told Fox News that it’s “prudent and wise to protect children.”

“In many cases we may follow up on something and we don’t find any problems and the case is closed,” she said.

But the person who reported the false allegations of abuse cannot be held liable, she noted.

“You can’t be prosecuted for making an allegation of child abuse –even if it’s false,” she said.

Nappen said what happened to the Moore family should serve as a warning to gun owners across the nation.

“To make someone go through this because he posted a picture of his son with a .22 rifle on his Facebook page is pretty outrageous,” he said. “Does that mean that anyone who posts a picture like that has to consent to a home inspection and a gun inspection? I don’t think so.”

Nappen said they are considering taking legal action against the state for the late night raid.


by on Mar. 20, 2013 at 10:36 AM
Replies (141-146):
SoKamele
by on Mar. 23, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Well, I disagree. My child (and many others) will still be hunting with his rifle.....safely.

Quoting Bella_Madre:

It's not about giving kids credit....it's about basic child psychology. The same can be said about SOME adults...unstable adults. I don't think some of those people should be around guns either. 

And considereing the number of gun-relating deaths in homes with "responsible gun owners". I would still say its pretty dangerous for children. 


Bella_Madre
by on Mar. 23, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Fair enough. I wish you and your family the best. ......I'll just stick to Cheerios myself. ;)

Quoting SoKamele:

Well, I disagree. My child (and many others) will still be hunting with his rifle.....safely.

Quoting Bella_Madre:

It's not about giving kids credit....it's about basic child psychology. The same can be said about SOME adults...unstable adults. I don't think some of those people should be around guns either. 

And considereing the number of gun-relating deaths in homes with "responsible gun owners". I would still say its pretty dangerous for children. 



SoKamele
by on Mar. 23, 2013 at 5:30 PM

I can believe that about CPS.

But....I don't believe that this man was acting in a unsafe manner. I see pictures all the time of children with their rifles....posing. Either it's new and they're excited or by a deer, duck or goose that they just shot.


Quoting KreatingMe:

I don't believe this situation is really what the family would like people to think it is. I think it was staged for publicity the father's connection to the NRA is too much.  But for the sake of discussion, I can take the story at face value. I don't believe CPS investigators knew ahead of time that he had a license but even if they did, having a license doesn't necessarily mean you are being safe with your guns. 

Quoting SoKamele:

I read the article. This man has all his T's and I's crossed and then some.

So you tell me why he was singled out???

They knew he had guns...and a license. That his son had finished his course and passed.

So why did they want to see and count his guns???? hhhmmm????

Quoting KreatingMe:

A perfect example of propaganda at work. 

Quoting SoKamele:

Nothing but a witch hunt........just to see how far they can go and get away with.

That's how it starts.





SoKamele
by on Mar. 23, 2013 at 5:31 PM
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lol...thank you...and to your family. We'll stick to our rifles (that are always safely locked up).

But the new Fruit Loops are better :)

Quoting Bella_Madre:

Fair enough. I wish you and your family the best. ......I'll just stick to Cheerios myself. ;)

Quoting SoKamele:

Well, I disagree. My child (and many others) will still be hunting with his rifle.....safely.

Quoting Bella_Madre:

It's not about giving kids credit....it's about basic child psychology. The same can be said about SOME adults...unstable adults. I don't think some of those people should be around guns either. 

And considereing the number of gun-relating deaths in homes with "responsible gun owners". I would still say its pretty dangerous for children. 




Woodbabe
by Woodie on Mar. 23, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Good point..I assume if the other side has merit that we'll be hearing about it too! Isn't it sad that we have teach these things to our kids?

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

 No doubt the man was smart to call his lawyer. I have taught my own children, never answer a question if you think you should not and it'll get you into more hot water. Always stay quiet. Even my younngest knows to ask for a lawyer LOL

Unfortunately this story is  1-sided- the side of the family. We will never get to know the side of the CPS worker or the police.

Quoting Woodbabe:

It took being told no by a lawyer on the phone to get them to leave and they still threatened to get a search warrant. The fact that they didn't return with one shows they really didn't have just cause. What if he didn't know to call his lawyer? Would he have been charged with resisting arrest? And I can understand the CPS worker wanting an escort, but no where does this article say that the child was questioned, or his safety assessed. It was all about the gun inventory. Did this CPS worker need a warrant too? Did this person stay to conduct the investigation on the child and his welfare after the police left?

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

 The police only showed up because the CPS worker requested police escort. and the request was made most likely because the incident involved firearms. A CPS worker goes out into the field alone. They have every right to request polcie escort if they believe their lives can be in danger. I have had to arrange such police escorts for my workers who go out and do court ordered home invetigations. In a most recent example, the father that had to be investigated had a criminal history of assualt and drug use. My worker requested police escort. And she got it.

in this case, the police asked, they got a no, the police left. the end. I do not see anywhere here when the "police did not take no for an answer"

Quoting Woodbabe:

Heavy handed because instead of sending an official from CPS to investigate issues surrounding this child, it was the police who showed up. They wanted to inspect his gun safe and his gun inventory. They weren't investigating child abuse. The fact that they didn't even have a warrant and tried to bully this man into going into the house without one is pretty bad. The man had to get a lawyer on the phone to protect his rights, the cops were not taking his "no" as an answer.

Quoting Bella_Madre:

Calling this a "heavy handed raid," is a little extreme IMO. No reason they shouldn't have investigated if someone reported potential abuse to child involving firearms.

Sounds like propaganda to me.


 


 


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Ms.KitKat
by Platinum Member on Mar. 24, 2013 at 12:25 PM

 I think it's never too early to teach children their constitutional rights!

Quoting Woodbabe:

Good point..I assume if the other side has merit that we'll be hearing about it too! Isn't it sad that we have teach these things to our kids?

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

 No doubt the man was smart to call his lawyer. I have taught my own children, never answer a question if you think you should not and it'll get you into more hot water. Always stay quiet. Even my younngest knows to ask for a lawyer LOL

Unfortunately this story is  1-sided- the side of the family. We will never get to know the side of the CPS worker or the police.

Quoting Woodbabe:

It took being told no by a lawyer on the phone to get them to leave and they still threatened to get a search warrant. The fact that they didn't return with one shows they really didn't have just cause. What if he didn't know to call his lawyer? Would he have been charged with resisting arrest? And I can understand the CPS worker wanting an escort, but no where does this article say that the child was questioned, or his safety assessed. It was all about the gun inventory. Did this CPS worker need a warrant too? Did this person stay to conduct the investigation on the child and his welfare after the police left?

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

 The police only showed up because the CPS worker requested police escort. and the request was made most likely because the incident involved firearms. A CPS worker goes out into the field alone. They have every right to request polcie escort if they believe their lives can be in danger. I have had to arrange such police escorts for my workers who go out and do court ordered home invetigations. In a most recent example, the father that had to be investigated had a criminal history of assualt and drug use. My worker requested police escort. And she got it.

in this case, the police asked, they got a no, the police left. the end. I do not see anywhere here when the "police did not take no for an answer"

Quoting Woodbabe:

Heavy handed because instead of sending an official from CPS to investigate issues surrounding this child, it was the police who showed up. They wanted to inspect his gun safe and his gun inventory. They weren't investigating child abuse. The fact that they didn't even have a warrant and tried to bully this man into going into the house without one is pretty bad. The man had to get a lawyer on the phone to protect his rights, the cops were not taking his "no" as an answer.

Quoting Bella_Madre:

Calling this a "heavy handed raid," is a little extreme IMO. No reason they shouldn't have investigated if someone reported potential abuse to child involving firearms.

Sounds like propaganda to me.


 


 


 

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