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Liberal doesn't always equal pro-choice


 

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Conservative: pro-life

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How does a person who seemingly opposes biased information manage to author such a biased article?

Inconvenient Headlines

Mona Charen's column is released once a week.

It's a deeply felt conviction among liberals that they are the caring party. It's not too much to say that liberals are quite confident that they are nicer, more moral people than conservatives.

It must require truly titanic powers of denial for the "moral" and "compassionate" party to maintain its position on abortion — a position that leads them into some macabre rationalizations. Consciences among the morally superior party are agreeably quiescent.

But recent headlines have not been similarly cooperative. In Florida, the legislature is considering a variant of the "Born Alive Infants Protection Act," which would require that abortionists provide medical assistance to infants who are "accidentally" born alive and kicking during an abortion. (Then State Senator Barack Obama vociferously opposed similar legislation in Illinois.)

Ms. Alisa LaPolt Snow, representing the Florida Alliance of Planned Parenthood Affiliates, testified against the bill. Florida representative Jim Boyd, apparently unsure that he had understood her correctly, asked:

"So, um, it is just really hard for me to even ask you this question because I'm almost in disbelief. If a baby is born on a table as a result of a botched abortion, what would Planned Parenthood want to have happen to that child that is struggling for life?"

Ms. Snow responded that her organization "believes that any decision that's made should be left up to the woman, her family and the physician." In short, as the Weekly Standard summarized, Florida Planned Parenthood is in favor of "post-birth abortion." This is consistent with the position of the president of the United States and most members of the caring party.

Ms. Snow was asked why she didn't support simply transporting a breathing, moving infant to a hospital where he or she would have the best chance of survival. Snow developed a sudden concern for ambulance convenience: "(T)hose situations where it is in a rural health care setting, the hospital is 45 minutes or an hour away, that's the closest trauma center or emergency room. You know there's just some logistical issues involved that we have some concerns about." Really? Logistical concerns?

So if a baby is brought to a rural clinic suffering from, say, meningitis, and the nearest trauma center is 45 minutes away, does Planned Parenthood have "concerns" about the "logistical issues" involved? Or does Planned Parenthood stand for the principle that when a woman chooses abortion, she is entitled to a dead baby?

Snow's testimony comes at an inopportune moment for the deniers — the "abortion rights" absolutists who hotly deny that infants are ever born alive during botched abortions — because in Philadelphia, an abortionist is on trial.

Dr. Kermit Gosnell is on trial for murder in the deaths of one woman and seven second trimester babies. The 41-year-old woman had sought an abortion and was given an overdose of narcotics at Gosnell's clinic. The seven babies were all born alive, according to the indictment. Gosnell then used scissors to "snip" their spinal columns. One of his assistants, who pled guilty to third-degree murder, said that such "snippings" were "routine" for late-term abortions — so there were probably many more than seven.

Gosnell wasn't at all particular about gestational age. An ultrasound technician recorded the age of one baby as 29.4 weeks, or about 7.5 months. In Pennsylvania, abortions are not permitted after 24 weeks (and survival is above 85 percent for babies born at 27 weeks). In one case, a nurse testified that a baby cried after being born. Gosnell snipped his neck and told the nurse that there was nothing to worry about. He was placed in a basin on a counter. Another large baby was disposed of in a shoebox, but he was too large and his feet dangled over the sides. In another case, Gosnell allegedly joked with a nurse that a baby was so big "he could have walked to the bus stop."

Gosnell seems to be a particularly freakish "provider." He kept fetal feet in jars in an office prosecutors described as a "house of horrors." (Pictures are on the Internet, but beware: They are graphic.)

Democratic Senator Barbara Boxer of California who engaged in an unwise colloquy with then-Senator Rick Santorum about when infants deserve to be treated as people, spoke for many of the caring elite when she said that life begins when "you take the baby home from the hospital."

Some day, our descendants will look back at this and ask how we could have tamely accepted such barbarism. A special obloquy will attach to the Orwellians who call it compassion.


by on Apr. 2, 2013 at 7:17 AM
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lizzielouaf
by Gold Member on Apr. 2, 2013 at 8:38 AM
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I'm liberal and pro choice but I have an unpopular gestation limitation they can be perfomed.
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UpSheRises
by Platinum Member on Apr. 2, 2013 at 8:40 AM
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Anyone of average intelligence can tell exactly what she's asking.

Quoting kaylamom2004:

TIP:  When you make a poll, there needs to be a QUESTION. Providing an article for background info is good .... but you still need a QUESTION


 

Kmary
by Member on Apr. 2, 2013 at 8:42 AM
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I'm liberal and pro-life and don't think those things are in contradiction whatsoever.  I actually think they fit quite nicely.  Though I do believe deep down that legal abortion probably has to exist to some small degree in a civilized society for those rare, extreme cases.  But yes, if pressed, I will say that I think abortion for contraception purposes is a disgusting, immoral act. 

In a sort of related way, I think if  some conservatives were more true to their conservative ideals then more of them would be fully on board with marriage equality.  What could be more pro-private, "get the government out of my personal business" than marriage equality?  Sadly, more of them don't see it as a personal privacy issue the way they should if they truly wanted to be politically conservative.

GeekMommi
by on Apr. 2, 2013 at 8:47 AM
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Some pro life people can't see past the abortion. They won't consider the life of the child after its born. If it's unwanted, the child will probably have a very hard life and maybe be abuse. And why they don't seem to care about the life of the pregnant female, idk. Its just that block, I guess.
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AdrianneHill
by Platinum Member on Apr. 2, 2013 at 8:57 AM
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I keep special scissors with the words Liberal Compassion inscribed on one blade. The other blade says God hates you
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jllcali
by LoyalAndCute on Apr. 2, 2013 at 8:57 AM
You should have options for other pro choice and other pro life
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Billiejeens
by on Apr. 2, 2013 at 10:06 AM

 


Quoting Veni.Vidi.Vici.:


Quoting Billiejeens:

I normally only skim articles, but since Mona Charen is an icon, I took the time to actually read it.

What did you find biased?


It's a deeply felt conviction among liberals that they are the caring party. It's not too much to say that liberals are quite confident that they are nicer, more moral people than conservatives.

It must require truly titanic powers of denial for the "moral" and "compassionate" party to maintain its position on abortion — a position that leads them into some macabre rationalizations. Consciences among the morally superior party are agreeably quiescent.


 Helloooooo?

Bookwormy
by Platinum Member on Apr. 2, 2013 at 10:15 AM
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I should get a hanger inscribed to say, "Anti-Privacy Compassion: G-d Hates You".

Thanks for brilliant idea!


Quoting AdrianneHill:I keep special scissors with the words Liberal Compassion inscribed on one blade. The other blade says God hates you
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supercarp
by Silver Member on Apr. 2, 2013 at 10:22 AM
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Who ever said that Mona Charen was unbiased? I have read her for years and have rarely seen her being unbiased. The only thing I'll give her is that she's not as mean as Ann Coulter. (Oh excuse me, I just vomited a little)

supercarp
by Silver Member on Apr. 2, 2013 at 10:26 AM

This article is pure trash. There is no live baby in a "botched" abortion. If there is a baby present, it is an induced delivery, which is a different thing altogether. The Republicans try to pretend they are compassionate by being "pro-life," but in reality they are only pro birth. They don't care what happens after that.

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