Okay. The issue is with grandparents having legal rights to children. Privilage and legal rights are two different things.
Parents have different ideas of what is acceptable behavior with children. Regardless of how open minded and laid back the parents YOU think should be, should the parents not get to decide themselves?
Example: mom wants to limit sugar for health reasons and asks that grandma not give junk food during visits. Many of you may agree or disagree with mom, but should grandma be able to disregard what mom says with no consequence? (No I'm not saying grandma should be cut off either)
I believe that mom should be respected Ben if grandma thinks its silly. It's beneficial even to listen to mom. Grandma should of course disobey if mom wants to do something dangerous but that's a separate issue.
Okay. If grandma is constantly defiant with moms rules and expectations regarding her child and mom wants to stop allowing unsupervised visits so that grandma can't keep doing things she shouldn't be, should mom not have the right to do that? If grandma has court ordered visitation then grandma essentially gets free reign to do what she wants and mom can't say anything because grandma really doesn't have to listen now.
If mom and dad have always dreamed of living in France, do they now have to have permission to move THEIR family because grandma has rights? If they are allowed to move, do they have to pay their hard earned money to send their child to grandma or should grandma have to pay for a yearly visit?
Should grandparents pay child support? If grandparents have equal rights as parents, shouldn't they have equal responsibility?
If mom and dad have to work full time and only have a day or two as a family with the kids (kids being in shool may make it worse) shouldnt te parents get to choose to spend that time with THEIR kids instead of sending then off for grandma to enjoy her visitation?
Do parents have to spend the money and mileage on their cars to deliver their children to the grandparents or should grandparents drive to them?
If a woman had a bad relationship with her mother growing up and chose to part ways with her in her adult life, does she have to let mom back into her life if she chooses to have her own family one day?
If grandma talks shit about the mom or dad, should parents have to send their kids over to get poisoned against them? Shouldn't you have to respect the parent in order to have access to their kid?
None of this has anything todo with special situations where te parents died or grandparents had raised the children for part of their lives. Just situations where parents make a judgement call.