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The Christian Right Is Panicking Because They Know They Are Losing

Posted by on Apr. 3, 2013 at 1:41 PM
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A pro-gay marriage protester stands in front of the US Supreme Court on March 26, 2013 in Washington, DC.

 

Christians will be “forced underground.” 
– Pastor Jim Garlow

Legalizing gay marriage will spell "the death of capitalism."
– Matthew Hagee

If the Supreme Court rules in favor of gay marriage it "will have lost its legitimacy in its entirety."
– Matt Barber & Mat Staver

Marching against same-sex marriage felt like being involved in the “Civil Rights Movement.” 
– Brian Brown

Gays and lesbians “hate God’s law and therefore they do hate God.” 
– Peter LaBarbera

If the above statements from members of the conservative evangelical Christian commentariat sound ludicrous yet chilling, outlandish yet eerily familiar, that is because over the years we have become quite familiar with their incessant anti-gay vitriol. However, the more interesting aspect of this collection of off-the-wall commentary by Pastor Jim Garlow, Matthew Hagee, Liberty Counsel’s Matt Barber and Mat Staver, who is also vice president of the Jerry Falwell-founded Liberty University, the National Organization for Marriage’s president Brian Brown, and Peter LaBarbera of Americans For Truth About Homosexuality, is their fear that the tide of public opinion has turned against them.

As People for the American Way’s Right Wing Watch reported, Garlow told Christian radio talk show host Janet Mefferd that gay people really don’t want to get married, but rather they are determined to “destroy marriage” and “force us to affirm an immoral behavior”: “If same-sex so-called marriage is established as the law of the land, many of the people who are listening to my voice right now, not maybe immediately but at some point in the future, if they are followers of Christ, will be forced underground. Their buildings will be taken away from them, many of their rights will be taken away from them.”

Matthew Hagee, the son of pastor John Hagee, he of the multi-million dollar San Antonio, Texas-based media ministry, warned on “Hagee’s Hotline” that, "The only relationship in natural law that can produce consumers is the relationship between a man and a woman. When you create a society that does not recognize this relationship as the foundation of its existence and you cease to produce what is required to sustain your economy, you will not survive."

On their "Faith and Freedom" radio show, Liberty Counsel’s Matt Barber and Mat Staver declared that any Supreme Court decision other than one that quashes marriage equality "will be the nail in the coffin of the credibility of the entire judicial system…”

The National Organization for Marriage’s Brian Brown, whose organization has been trying to drive a wedge between the African American community and the LGBTQ community for the past several years, also spoke to Mefferd and told her that while he “was not alive during the Civil Rights Movement [the March 26 anti-gay rally in Washington, D.C.] is what is must have felt like” to be involved with the Movement.

Brown added: “… people were just so ecstatic to stand up and they did it in a loving, respectful way but they weren’t going to be silenced. I couldn’t be more happy with what happened today, I think it’s a huge step forward for the pro-marriage movement and I don’t think it’s going to be lost on the Supreme Court justices that we were there and we were there in force.”

LaBarbera, who has been fanning the flames of anti-gay bigotry for years, told Mefferd that “If you want to understand the homosexual movement, .it’s a movement at war with nature, with God and with truth.”

The Religious Right group Government Is Not God PAC recently warned that if the Supreme Court strikes down Proposition 8 and DOMA then “religious freedom, freedom of speech and the First Amendment will die”: “If homosexuals win, the Bill of Rights dies and religious liberty/free speech will die with it,” GING PAC maintained. “We either fight this evil or see our children and grandchildren brainwashed and/or coerced into accepting homosexuality as the new normal in our society.”

This is by no means the last we will hear from these guys. They’ll be rocking and railing against the gay for many years to come. Regardless of what the Supreme Court decides, as time passes they and their conservative Christian comrades (and there are plenty of them to go around) will become more and more isolated. In some cases, martyrdom what there hoping for. After all, that formula has paid the bills for the past several decades and will likely keep the lights on at those ministries and organizations for years to come.

Bill Berkowitz is a longtime observer of the conservative movement. His WorkingForChange column Conservative Watch documents the strategies, players, institutions, victories and defeats of the American Right.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/

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brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Apr. 3, 2013 at 2:15 PM
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The narrative is changing. If the Supreme Court doesn't act now it won't stop the changing of time.

People will continue to fight for this. And the people who support it will only grow and grow. And as the pressure builds the pro-discrimination people will look worse and worse. It will start to be harder and harder to support pro-discrimination stand points without looking bad.


FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Apr. 3, 2013 at 2:25 PM
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I am sure some in this very group have had those same thoughts, if they have not said them out right.

God must be so ashamed of some of His children.

Clairwil
by Ruby Member on Apr. 3, 2013 at 2:40 PM
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Quoting Goodwoman614:

" it’s a movement at war with nature "


In what the Toronto Star describes as an "apparent world first," a Danish zoo's King penguin chick has two "adoptive" fathers.

After a female penguin abandoned one of her eggs, zoologists at the Odense Zoo decided to see how two male penguins would handle the egg. As it turns out, they were "natural parents."

"With King penguins, they mix it between the male and female. One stands with the egg while the other goes to feed and then they shift," zoologist Nina Christensen is quoted as saying. "It was the same with this pair. They both incubated the egg.”

Odense Zoo's penguins aren't the first "gay" couple to become parents, even though they are a first as far as King penguins are concerned. Two male Chinstrap penguins at New York's Central Park 'adopted" and then reared an egg, as depicted in the controversial children's book "And Tango Makes Three." Meanwhile, zoologists at Germany's Bremerhaven Zoo helped two "gay" Humbolt penguins hatch and nurture an egg in 2009.

Goodwoman614
by Satan on Apr. 3, 2013 at 2:46 PM



Quoting Clairwil:

Quoting Goodwoman614:

" it’s a movement at war with nature "


In what the Toronto Star describes as an "apparent world first," a Danish zoo's King penguin chick has two "adoptive" fathers.

After a female penguin abandoned one of her eggs, zoologists at the Odense Zoo decided to see how two male penguins would handle the egg. As it turns out, they were "natural parents."

"With King penguins, they mix it between the male and female. One stands with the egg while the other goes to feed and then they shift," zoologist Nina Christensen is quoted as saying. "It was the same with this pair. They both incubated the egg.”

Odense Zoo's penguins aren't the first "gay" couple to become parents, even though they are a first as far as King penguins are concerned. Two male Chinstrap penguins at New York's Central Park 'adopted" and then reared an egg, as depicted in the controversial children's book "And Tango Makes Three." Meanwhile, zoologists at Germany's Bremerhaven Zoo helped two "gay" Humbolt penguins hatch and nurture an egg in 2009.

Lol.

It seems all kinds of birds, too. 

We kept, bred and raised budgies for several years. It is well-known that they will sometimes bond with same-sex partners.

But from time to time you could always find someone new to it, asking puzzled questions on the bird owners' chat sites. Sometimes they seemed downright panicky about it, lol.

And of course, "homosexual" behavior is well-known to be represented in many species, not just birds.


Clairwil
by Ruby Member on Apr. 3, 2013 at 2:46 PM
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Quoting Goodwoman614:

Legalizing gay marriage will spell "the death of capitalism."
– Matthew Hagee

Matthew Hagee, the son of pastor John Hagee, he of the multi-million dollar San Antonio, Texas-based media ministry, warned on “Hagee’s Hotline” that, "The only relationship in natural law that can produce consumers is the relationship between a man and a woman. When you create a society that does not recognize this relationship as the foundation of its existence and you cease to produce what is required to sustain your economy, you will not survive."

What a facinating approach for a Christian to take.

{fact of nature} is incompatible with capitalism, therefore it must be wrong.


Do you suppose there are many Christians that have not read the Gospel of Mark from end to end, who don't realise what proportion of Christ's own words were todo with wealth?

mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Apr. 3, 2013 at 3:30 PM
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Quoting Goodwoman614:

 


A pro-gay marriage protester stands in front of the US Supreme Court on March 26, 2013 in Washington, DC.

 

Christians will be “forced underground.”  There are tons of gay christians - if the christian faith hinges on this one subject well damn maybe they should quietly go away but I don't think that's the case, this is just ignorance and hate speaking
– Pastor Jim Garlow

Legalizing gay marriage will spell "the death of capitalism." I need this one explained, how does what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms impact what economic system we follow.
– Matthew Hagee

If the Supreme Court rules in favor of gay marriage it "will have lost its legitimacy in its entirety."
– Matt Barber & Mat Staver Actually I think it's all that heterosexual divorce and cheating that has done that but hey whatever

Marching against same-sex marriage felt like being involved in the “Civil Rights Movement.” 
– Brian Brown  WTF - how sick

Gays and lesbians “hate God’s law and therefore they do hate God.” 
– Peter LaBarbera but it's not god's law it's human interpretation of gods law

If the above statements from members of the conservative evangelical Christian commentariat sound ludicrous yet chilling, outlandish yet eerily familiar, that is because over the years we have become quite familiar with their incessant anti-gay vitriol. However, the more interesting aspect of this collection of off-the-wall commentary by Pastor Jim Garlow, Matthew Hagee, Liberty Counsel’s Matt Barber and Mat Staver, who is also vice president of the Jerry Falwell-founded Liberty University, the National Organization for Marriage’s president Brian Brown, and Peter LaBarbera of Americans For Truth About Homosexuality, is their fear that the tide of public opinion has turned against them.

As People for the American Way’s Right Wing Watch reported, Garlow told Christian radio talk show host Janet Mefferd that gay people really don’t want to get married, but rather they are determined to “destroy marriage” and “force us to affirm an immoral behavior”: “If same-sex so-called marriage is established as the law of the land, many of the people who are listening to my voice right now, not maybe immediately but at some point in the future, if they are followers of Christ, will be forced underground. Their buildings will be taken away from them, many of their rights will be taken away from them.”

Matthew Hagee, the son of pastor John Hagee, he of the multi-million dollar San Antonio, Texas-based media ministry, warned on “Hagee’s Hotline” that, "The only relationship in natural law that can produce consumers is the relationship between a man and a woman. When you create a society that does not recognize this relationship as the foundation of its existence and you cease to produce what is required to sustain your economy, you will not survive."

On their "Faith and Freedom" radio show, Liberty Counsel’s Matt Barber and Mat Staver declared that any Supreme Court decision other than one that quashes marriage equality "will be the nail in the coffin of the credibility of the entire judicial system…”

The National Organization for Marriage’s Brian Brown, whose organization has been trying to drive a wedge between the African American community and the LGBTQ community for the past several years, also spoke to Mefferd and told her that while he “was not alive during the Civil Rights Movement [the March 26 anti-gay rally in Washington, D.C.] is what is must have felt like” to be involved with the Movement.

Brown added: “… people were just so ecstatic to stand up and they did it in a loving, respectful way but they weren’t going to be silenced. I couldn’t be more happy with what happened today, I think it’s a huge step forward for the pro-marriage movement and I don’t think it’s going to be lost on the Supreme Court justices that we were there and we were there in force.”

LaBarbera, who has been fanning the flames of anti-gay bigotry for years, told Mefferd that “If you want to understand the homosexual movement, .it’s a movement at war with nature, with God and with truth.”

The Religious Right group Government Is Not God PAC recently warned that if the Supreme Court strikes down Proposition 8 and DOMA then “religious freedom, freedom of speech and the First Amendment will die”: “If homosexuals win, the Bill of Rights dies and religious liberty/free speech will die with it,” GING PAC maintained. “We either fight this evil or see our children and grandchildren brainwashed and/or coerced into accepting homosexuality as the new normal in our society.”

This is by no means the last we will hear from these guys. They’ll be rocking and railing against the gay for many years to come. Regardless of what the Supreme Court decides, as time passes they and their conservative Christian comrades (and there are plenty of them to go around) will become more and more isolated. In some cases, martyrdom what there hoping for. After all, that formula has paid the bills for the past several decades and will likely keep the lights on at those ministries and organizations for years to come.

Bill Berkowitz is a longtime observer of the conservative movement. His WorkingForChange column Conservative Watch documents the strategies, players, institutions, victories and defeats of the American Right.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/


 

parentalrights1
by on Apr. 3, 2013 at 3:38 PM
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Oh wah. Can't handle it when they can't control everyone
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pansyprincess
by Silver Member on Apr. 3, 2013 at 3:40 PM
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Silence in here today, huh?  The times they are a changing ... I'm not sure what the christians are all up in arms about.  No one will force them to get gay married.  No one is going to force their church to marry gay people.  They can just go on with their lives.  This won't affect them at all.  Seems like much ado about nothing.

parentalrights1
by on Apr. 3, 2013 at 3:41 PM
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Oh but we are in the end of times and this is the persecution prediction in the bible. Not at all our own fault for being controlling assholes
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parentalrights1
by on Apr. 3, 2013 at 3:42 PM
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They can't handle not being able to force their religion on everyone else. Tey have to have all privilage and power. It's not enough to practice their own religion and leave everyone else alone


Quoting pansyprincess:

Silence in here today, huh?  The times they are a changing ... I'm not sure what the christians are all up in arms about.  No one will force them to get gay married.  No one is going to force their church to marry gay people.  They can just go on with their lives.  This won't affect them at all.  Seems like much ado about nothing.


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