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Family Escorted off Plane Over PG-13 Movie

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A family traveling from Denver to Baltimore on United claims that their flight was diverted by the captain because the parents requested that the in-flight movie, "Alex Cross," be turned off.

The parents, thus far unnamed, wrote a letter to The Atlantic about the incident. According to the letter, after the flight took off, the flight crew lowered the TV screens and began playing the PG-13-rated cop thriller starring Tyler Perry.

The parents, whose children are 4 and 8, believed the film to be too violent for their kids. "Alarmed by the opening scenes, we asked two flight attendants if they could turn off the monitor; both claimed it was not possible" and would be a nuisance to the people behind them.

At this point, according to the letter, the people behind the parents spoke up and said it would be fine with them if the movie screen was closed. "Both flight attendants, and later the purser, claimed that they have no authority or ability to change or turn off the movie. The purser did, however, agree with us, as did many more of the passengers around us, that it is patently inappropriate to expose children to such content."

The parents wrote that throughout the discussion, no voices were raised and everyone was civil and polite. The parents apparently accepted that the movie was going to be shown. They attempted to distract their kids from the "horrific scenes on the movie screens," they wrote.

Which makes what happened next so strange. "More than an hour later the captain [name withheld for now] announced that due to 'security concerns,' our flight was being diverted to Chicago's ORD," the letter continued. Little did the parents know that they were the apparent cause for the diversion.

Upon landing in the Windy City, a police officer boarded the plane and allegedly asked the family to gather their things to disembark. Full article Here.

How would you have handled this situation as a parent of young children? The same? Would you have just stayed silent? Did the airline go overboard in the name of "security" or did they act appropriately?

by on Apr. 6, 2013 at 12:50 PM
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Bookwormy
by Platinum Member on Apr. 7, 2013 at 11:29 AM
None of it makes anyone a bad parent, & that's the point. This is why sitting in judgment of the moms here for not allowing violent films at age 4 or 6, or for their child needing to use the restroom during a 2 hour flight is seen as ridiculous.

Though falling asleep at the wheel can be *huge*. If everyone had, G-d forbid, been killed, & had been killed in another vehicle, your views on the incident might be different. Or if even one person had been killed or seriously injured, G-d forbid, your views might be different.


Quoting EireLass:

They did have an accident the night (wee hours of the morning really) of Cait's 21st birthday. Josh was the designated driver, and brought her and a friend for a night on the town to Boston. He fell asleep on the way home, totalled the car. So she was carless for a couple weeks, but that really didn't stop things, nobody was hurt.

They did end up in the ER a couple times - but again, nothing huge, life changing. Stitches, broken bones, etc. So you can't play sports for a couple months...nothing to lose sleep over, nothing that was a life changing event.

I assumed they'd be in car accidents, have stitches, broken bones, etc. They were kids. Given the lifestyle, I assumed it would happen, so it wasn't really a big deal. Not seeing how this has anything to do with being a good parent or not. I never thought I wasn't human. Because I knew I was, as were they...this stuff happens and life moves forward with little more than a burp.

Quoting Bookwormy:

Obviously marriage breaking up wasn't planned! The point is that everyday stuff happens for which you can't plan, like an accident. Sometimes you can roll with the punches; sometimes you go to the ER & plans are completely changed. No one has to become addicted or a prostitute to prove you're human!

Quoting EireLass:

I just thought of this...you're right...something didn't go as planned. The husband left us when they were 11 & 8. Which actually turned into a good thing. They wouldn't be the kids they are today, and we wouldn't have the bond that created, had he stayed. They got to see for themselves, and were able to make the decision for themselves, what kind of kids and future adults they would be. But really, there's nothing they did, or I did, that was a mistake and turned out bad/disasterous. They aren't alcoholics, drug users, non-working/unproductive members of society. They don't have a police record, nobody got pregnant prior to marriage, nobody had sex prior to college. They've never even smoked cigarettes. What types of things are you wanting me to mention?

Quoting Bookwormy:

But not everything went as planned for those 33 years of parenting. Not everything went "right". I know this because because I'm human & so are you, & so are those adult children of yours. I'm thrilled for you that they turned out well & you planned well. But mistakes occurred in your parenting, guaranteed, because no one is a perfect parent, & you aren't mentioning those.

Quoting EireLass:

You are right. Nobody is perfect. I've never claimed to be. What I do know is my kids, and how I raised them from birth. Because I've always paid attention to what I was doing, and what they were about, it's always been pretty easy to see ahead. And I can say, satisfactorily, that I didn't mess up. They're 33 & 30. What I do think, is people put too many things on their plate, and can't focus on the main meal....that creates overwhelmness. If you don't do that, for your kids sake, it's really pretty easy.

Quoting Bookwormy:

You aren't perfect. None of us are. Either something will or something did mess up those perfect laid plans of yours. You're just not fessing up to reality. And by doing so, you're sitting in a place of judgment. That's why so many thing you're being so rude.

Quoting EireLass:

She made statements about her parenting. I don't know her, I can't argue with her, so I agreed with her. How is that rude? I know my kids. I know how I've parented since day one. I know how to look ahead, think ahead, what expectations to be prepared for. This really isn't hard to do. You're repeating yourself. Are you drinking?

Quoting talia-mom:

Because of how fucking rude and condescending you are towards parents who said they would have asked if they could turn off a monitor. You are like another couple of mothers on here who had the perfect kids that would never dream of looking up or needing the bathroom 90 minutes into a flight. All you have done is be so incredibly rude about parents that would have asked for a simple monitor to be turned off. You are

Quoting EireLass:

What's that hair across your ass? Actually, I would have had them go to the bathroom prior to boarding. It really isn't that hard to have a complete plan in effect prior to putting it into effect.

Quoting talia-mom:

She is perfect. Her kids would never have to go to the bathroom and if they did, they would get back to their seats with only looking at their feet. back

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 Did you have special needs children? Believe me when I say, not all of us can be supermom or do all you claim to have done.  No offense, but you won't get applause from me because I just plain don't believe that anyone can parent so "thoroughly" and Never drop the ball or ever get distracted. I doubt very many people in here would make such claims. It's also pretty insulting to assume others don't invest time in their children just because they may not be able to make it through a 3 hour flight without making sure their children do nothing but stare at their lap.

Quoting EireLass:

And maybe that's all it'll take....you trying harder. I've had many an applause for how I've parented, and my only response have been "I'm not superwoman, if I can do it, so can you."nIt's not some amazing feat; it just requires an investment of time.

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

  So you never turn your head for a second while on a plane with your children? Not to the attendants offering drinks or to answer a question? Not to get in your bag for a snack? Wow, I applaud you for being super mom.  I don't have it together enough while flying to make sure my child stares at something in their lap and never looks up the whole 3 hours. And I occasionally riffle through my bags getting them snacks they request. I'm going to have to try harder I guess.










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by Milami on Apr. 7, 2013 at 11:30 AM

  I still need to read that one!

Quoting KG34:

I love it too! I just finished reading Kill Alex Cross.

 

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 

Quoting MorganTho:

I would have gotten off too if I had to sit through an entire Tyler Perry movie!

   LOL.

 I actually love the Alex Cross series!! I've read nearly all of them so this is one Tyler Perry movie I actually want to watch, but I'd rather my young kids not have to see it.

 

 

 

gammie
by on Apr. 7, 2013 at 11:35 AM

We always brought our own entertainment too.


Quoting caito:

I wouldn't have cared. My daughter would have her own entertainment and wouldn't pay any attention to the movie. We don't censor films. If it's not animated or musical, my kid doesn't care.



EireLass
by Ruby Member on Apr. 7, 2013 at 11:52 AM

But I'm not the one judging. You've been judging me because I plan and prepare, and know that the world doesn't revolve around me and my kids. I've never said any of it is ridiculous. But it seems the ones that get exasperated are the ones that didn't plan. I don't know why people don't plan and think forward. 

Yup, falling asleep could have had far worse results, but it didn't. And I can't live (not do my kids) with the 'what if' frame of mine. There's too many 'what ifs' in the world....it creates hesitancy. Life keeps going, if you're standing there hesitating, you miss it.

Quoting Bookwormy:

None of it makes anyone a bad parent, & that's the point. This is why sitting in judgment of the moms here for not allowing violent films at age 4 or 6, or for their child needing to use the restroom during a 2 hour flight is seen as ridiculous.

Though falling asleep at the wheel can be *huge*. If everyone had, G-d forbid, been killed, & had been killed in another vehicle, your views on the incident might be different. Or if even one person had been killed or seriously injured, G-d forbid, your views might be different.
Quoting EireLass:

They did have an accident the night (wee hours of the morning really) of Cait's 21st birthday. Josh was the designated driver, and brought her and a friend for a night on the town to Boston. He fell asleep on the way home, totalled the car. So she was carless for a couple weeks, but that really didn't stop things, nobody was hurt. They did end up in the ER a couple times - but again, nothing huge, life changing. Stitches, broken bones, etc. So you can't play sports for a couple months...nothing to lose sleep over, nothing that was a life changing event. I assumed they'd be in car accidents, have stitches, broken bones, etc. They were kids. Given the lifestyle, I assumed it would happen, so it wasn't really a big deal. Not seeing how this has anything to do with being a good parent or not. I never thought I wasn't human. Because I knew I was, as were they...this stuff happens and life moves forward with little more than a burp.

Quoting Bookwormy:

Obviously marriage breaking up wasn't planned! The point is that everyday stuff happens for which you can't plan, like an accident. Sometimes you can roll with the punches; sometimes you go to the ER & plans are completely changed. No one has to become addicted or a prostitute to prove you're human!
Quoting EireLass:

I just thought of this...you're right...something didn't go as planned. The husband left us when they were 11 & 8. Which actually turned into a good thing. They wouldn't be the kids they are today, and we wouldn't have the bond that created, had he stayed. They got to see for themselves, and were able to make the decision for themselves, what kind of kids and future adults they would be. But really, there's nothing they did, or I did, that was a mistake and turned out bad/disasterous. They aren't alcoholics, drug users, non-working/unproductive members of society. They don't have a police record, nobody got pregnant prior to marriage, nobody had sex prior to college. They've never even smoked cigarettes. What types of things are you wanting me to mention?

Quoting Bookwormy:

But not everything went as planned for those 33 years of parenting. Not everything went "right". I know this because because I'm human & so are you, & so are those adult children of yours. I'm thrilled for you that they turned out well & you planned well. But mistakes occurred in your parenting, guaranteed, because no one is a perfect parent, & you aren't mentioning those.
Quoting EireLass:

You are right. Nobody is perfect. I've never claimed to be. What I do know is my kids, and how I raised them from birth. Because I've always paid attention to what I was doing, and what they were about, it's always been pretty easy to see ahead. And I can say, satisfactorily, that I didn't mess up. They're 33 & 30. What I do think, is people put too many things on their plate, and can't focus on the main meal....that creates overwhelmness. If you don't do that, for your kids sake, it's really pretty easy.

Quoting Bookwormy:

You aren't perfect. None of us are. Either something will or something did mess up those perfect laid plans of yours. You're just not fessing up to reality. And by doing so, you're sitting in a place of judgment. That's why so many thing you're being so rude.
Quoting EireLass:

She made statements about her parenting. I don't know her, I can't argue with her, so I agreed with her. How is that rude? I know my kids. I know how I've parented since day one. I know how to look ahead, think ahead, what expectations to be prepared for. This really isn't hard to do. You're repeating yourself. Are you drinking?

Quoting talia-mom:

Because of how fucking rude and condescending you are towards parents who said they would have asked if they could turn off a monitor. You are like another couple of mothers on here who had the perfect kids that would never dream of looking up or needing the bathroom 90 minutes into a flight. All you have done is be so incredibly rude about parents that would have asked for a simple monitor to be turned off. You are
Quoting EireLass:

What's that hair across your ass? Actually, I would have had them go to the bathroom prior to boarding. It really isn't that hard to have a complete plan in effect prior to putting it into effect.

Quoting talia-mom:

She is perfect. Her kids would never have to go to the bathroom and if they did, they would get back to their seats with only looking at their feet. back
Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 Did you have special needs children? Believe me when I say, not all of us can be supermom or do all you claim to have done.  No offense, but you won't get applause from me because I just plain don't believe that anyone can parent so "thoroughly" and Never drop the ball or ever get distracted. I doubt very many people in here would make such claims. It's also pretty insulting to assume others don't invest time in their children just because they may not be able to make it through a 3 hour flight without making sure their children do nothing but stare at their lap.

Quoting EireLass:

And maybe that's all it'll take....you trying harder. I've had many an applause for how I've parented, and my only response have been "I'm not superwoman, if I can do it, so can you."nIt's not some amazing feat; it just requires an investment of time.

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

  So you never turn your head for a second while on a plane with your children? Not to the attendants offering drinks or to answer a question? Not to get in your bag for a snack? Wow, I applaud you for being super mom.  I don't have it together enough while flying to make sure my child stares at something in their lap and never looks up the whole 3 hours. And I occasionally riffle through my bags getting them snacks they request. I'm going to have to try harder I guess.

Bookwormy
by Platinum Member on Apr. 7, 2013 at 11:58 AM
Whatever you say.


Quoting EireLass:

But I'm not the one judging. You've been judging me because I plan and prepare, and know that the world doesn't revolve around me and my kids. I've never said any of it is ridiculous. But it seems the ones that get exasperated are the ones that didn't plan. I don't know why people don't plan and think forward. 

Yup, falling asleep could have had far worse results, but it didn't. And I can't live (not do my kids) with the 'what if' frame of mine. There's too many 'what ifs' in the world....it creates hesitancy. Life keeps going, if you're standing there hesitating, you miss it.

Quoting Bookwormy:

None of it makes anyone a bad parent, & that's the point. This is why sitting in judgment of the moms here for not allowing violent films at age 4 or 6, or for their child needing to use the restroom during a 2 hour flight is seen as ridiculous.



Though falling asleep at the wheel can be *huge*. If everyone had, G-d forbid, been killed, & had been killed in another vehicle, your views on the incident might be different. Or if even one person had been killed or seriously injured, G-d forbid, your views might be different.

Quoting EireLass:

They did have an accident the night (wee hours of the morning really) of Cait's 21st birthday. Josh was the designated driver, and brought her and a friend for a night on the town to Boston. He fell asleep on the way home, totalled the car. So she was carless for a couple weeks, but that really didn't stop things, nobody was hurt. They did end up in the ER a couple times - but again, nothing huge, life changing. Stitches, broken bones, etc. So you can't play sports for a couple months...nothing to lose sleep over, nothing that was a life changing event. I assumed they'd be in car accidents, have stitches, broken bones, etc. They were kids. Given the lifestyle, I assumed it would happen, so it wasn't really a big deal. Not seeing how this has anything to do with being a good parent or not. I never thought I wasn't human. Because I knew I was, as were they...this stuff happens and life moves forward with little more than a burp.

Quoting Bookwormy:

Obviously marriage breaking up wasn't planned! The point is that everyday stuff happens for which you can't plan, like an accident. Sometimes you can roll with the punches; sometimes you go to the ER & plans are completely changed. No one has to become addicted or a prostitute to prove you're human!

Quoting EireLass:

I just thought of this...you're right...something didn't go as planned. The husband left us when they were 11 & 8. Which actually turned into a good thing. They wouldn't be the kids they are today, and we wouldn't have the bond that created, had he stayed. They got to see for themselves, and were able to make the decision for themselves, what kind of kids and future adults they would be. But really, there's nothing they did, or I did, that was a mistake and turned out bad/disasterous. They aren't alcoholics, drug users, non-working/unproductive members of society. They don't have a police record, nobody got pregnant prior to marriage, nobody had sex prior to college. They've never even smoked cigarettes. What types of things are you wanting me to mention?

Quoting Bookwormy:

But not everything went as planned for those 33 years of parenting. Not everything went "right". I know this because because I'm human & so are you, & so are those adult children of yours. I'm thrilled for you that they turned out well & you planned well. But mistakes occurred in your parenting, guaranteed, because no one is a perfect parent, & you aren't mentioning those.

Quoting EireLass:

You are right. Nobody is perfect. I've never claimed to be. What I do know is my kids, and how I raised them from birth. Because I've always paid attention to what I was doing, and what they were about, it's always been pretty easy to see ahead. And I can say, satisfactorily, that I didn't mess up. They're 33 & 30. What I do think, is people put too many things on their plate, and can't focus on the main meal....that creates overwhelmness. If you don't do that, for your kids sake, it's really pretty easy.

Quoting Bookwormy:

You aren't perfect. None of us are. Either something will or something did mess up those perfect laid plans of yours. You're just not fessing up to reality. And by doing so, you're sitting in a place of judgment. That's why so many thing you're being so rude.

Quoting EireLass:

She made statements about her parenting. I don't know her, I can't argue with her, so I agreed with her. How is that rude? I know my kids. I know how I've parented since day one. I know how to look ahead, think ahead, what expectations to be prepared for. This really isn't hard to do. You're repeating yourself. Are you drinking?

Quoting talia-mom:

Because of how fucking rude and condescending you are towards parents who said they would have asked if they could turn off a monitor. You are like another couple of mothers on here who had the perfect kids that would never dream of looking up or needing the bathroom 90 minutes into a flight. All you have done is be so incredibly rude about parents that would have asked for a simple monitor to be turned off. You are

Quoting EireLass:

What's that hair across your ass? Actually, I would have had them go to the bathroom prior to boarding. It really isn't that hard to have a complete plan in effect prior to putting it into effect.

Quoting talia-mom:

She is perfect. Her kids would never have to go to the bathroom and if they did, they would get back to their seats with only looking at their feet. back

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 Did you have special needs children? Believe me when I say, not all of us can be supermom or do all you claim to have done.  No offense, but you won't get applause from me because I just plain don't believe that anyone can parent so "thoroughly" and Never drop the ball or ever get distracted. I doubt very many people in here would make such claims. It's also pretty insulting to assume others don't invest time in their children just because they may not be able to make it through a 3 hour flight without making sure their children do nothing but stare at their lap.

Quoting EireLass:

And maybe that's all it'll take....you trying harder. I've had many an applause for how I've parented, and my only response have been "I'm not superwoman, if I can do it, so can you."nIt's not some amazing feat; it just requires an investment of time.

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

  So you never turn your head for a second while on a plane with your children? Not to the attendants offering drinks or to answer a question? Not to get in your bag for a snack? Wow, I applaud you for being super mom.  I don't have it together enough while flying to make sure my child stares at something in their lap and never looks up the whole 3 hours. And I occasionally riffle through my bags getting them snacks they request. I'm going to have to try harder I guess.


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by Milami on Apr. 7, 2013 at 12:01 PM
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 And the plot thickens!  I kind of figured there had to be more to the story than what the family said. There is just no way they would divert a plane over a simple request.

Quoting KG34:

I just found this:

"The film sparked complaints from the family, and when their protests did not get them anywhere they continued to complain strongly until eventually things escalated so much the flight crew decided severe action had to be taken."

"It has been reported that the family initially made a complaint to an individual flight steward, but was told that the monitors could not be turned off."

"Undeterred, the family continued to protest and eventually things escalated that they demanded to speak to the flight captain about their issue."

 

Why would they demand to speak to the captain? Did they expect him to just leave the cockpit to come talk to them?

 

EireLass
by Ruby Member on Apr. 7, 2013 at 12:02 PM

And all of this is the parents fault. Even if the whole movie thing never happened....anything can cause a delay at an airport (we just experienced this on March 5th). Because of this, you always need to be prepared. Even when I fly alone...I think about delays, and plan my bag accordingly. You'd think a parent would plan even more.

We're only dealing with one side of the story. If they were acting out causing all focus to be on them, the crew and sky marshall can not do their job, which is to over see the entire plane. This is a way to divert attention from someone who came aboard with ill intent. That most likely is why they were removed from the plane.

Redirecting a flight is not just a one man decision. It goes through alot of people to do so, It changes alot of various flights....it had to have been more than the parents state.

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

  When they were escorted off and held for 5 minutes to answer questions they were re-booked on another flight and had to wait hours at the airport for another flight. I think the airline(assuming this story is as they family claims) went waaaaaaay overboard with this entire situation.

Quoting EireLass:

Why would the parents have bought tickets with such a long wait? I buy tickets ALL THE TIME...when you travel with kids, you ALWAYS pick the shortest time...even when it costs more. Or is this the stewardess fault too? We only have this side of the story....I wonder what really happened.

Quoting TruthSeeker.: 
Quoting Yurixsi:

Get over it.

 Who? The parents? What should they get over? The movie being shown? Being removed from a plane for asking if a screen could be put up? For having to wait hours in an airport for another flight?


DevilInPigtails
by on Apr. 7, 2013 at 12:06 PM

I can see why the family made the request.  Sounds like the airline blew it out of proportion.  Honestly my girls have there own electronics so I would have had them turn their sound up a bit more and enjoy the film myself.  I read the book it was great.

TruthSeeker.
by Milami on Apr. 7, 2013 at 12:06 PM
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  Someone in this post found more information and it appears the family did cause quite the scene demanding to speak to the captain about the film. In this instance it was their fault.

  I'm not going to argue anymore about being prepared and what a parent can do. We obviously do not see eye to eye about this subject.

Quoting EireLass:

And all of this is the parents fault. Even if the whole movie thing never happened....anything can cause a delay at an airport (we just experienced this on March 5th). Because of this, you always need to be prepared. Even when I fly alone...I think about delays, and plan my bag accordingly. You'd think a parent would plan even more.

We're only dealing with one side of the story. If they were acting out causing all focus to be on them, the crew and sky marshall can not do their job, which is to over see the entire plane. This is a way to divert attention from someone who came aboard with ill intent. That most likely is why they were removed from the plane.

Redirecting a flight is not just a one man decision. It goes through alot of people to do so, It changes alot of various flights....it had to have been more than the parents state.

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

  When they were escorted off and held for 5 minutes to answer questions they were re-booked on another flight and had to wait hours at the airport for another flight. I think the airline(assuming this story is as they family claims) went waaaaaaay overboard with this entire situation.

Quoting EireLass:

Why would the parents have bought tickets with such a long wait? I buy tickets ALL THE TIME...when you travel with kids, you ALWAYS pick the shortest time...even when it costs more. Or is this the stewardess fault too? We only have this side of the story....I wonder what really happened.

TruthSeeker.
by Milami on Apr. 7, 2013 at 12:17 PM
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  My 6 yr old would have cried. And you bring up a good point regarding your child's disability. Not everyone is able to keep their child from looking or staring.

Quoting Bookwormy:

We always bring things for our now 6yo DD to do. However, I can almost guarantee that she would have noticed & started crying & whining about a violent movie.

DD has childhood absence epilepsy with photosensitivity and folks with photosensitive epilepsy find it difficult/impossible to *not* stare at bright lights, tvs, etc. Just saying don't look isn't effective with a typical 6yo. It certainly isn't effective with anyone with this invisible disability.

 

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