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I could understand the reluctance to approve of same sex marriage and other rights of the gay community if being homosexual was actually a choice.

Posted by on Apr. 7, 2013 at 2:23 PM
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If it was a choice and a person wanted to get married, you would think they would only date people to whom they could actually be married one day, i.e. opposite sex people.  Most marriage minded heterosexual people make this choice by dating people available for marriage and not dating people not open to or compatible with marriage; for example already married people or those who don't agree with their religion, etc., etc., etc.

However, how can someone actually believe it is a choice in the first place?

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futureshock
by Ruby Member on Apr. 7, 2013 at 2:24 PM
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Why wouldn't these children just choose to be straight and avoid all of this?

Gay Bullying Statistics:

According to recent gay bullying statistics, gay and lesbian teens are two to three times as more likely to commit teen suicide than other youths. About 30 percent of all completed suicides have been related to sexual identity crisis. Students who also fall into the gay, bisexual, lesbian or transgendered identity groups report being five times as more likely to miss school because they feel unsafe after being bullied due to their sexual orientation. About 28 percent out of those groups feel forced to drop out of school altogether. Although more and more schools are working to crack down on problems with bullying, teens are still continuing to bully each other due to sexual orientation and other factors. 

In a 2005 survey about gay bullying statistics, teens reported that the number two reason they are bullied is because of their actual or perceived sexual orientation or gender expression. The number one reason reported was because of appearance. Teens are at a pivotal point in their young adult lives when they are trying to find out who they are and who they are about to become as adults. This is why being teased, bullied and harassed is something that could negatively affect a person's self-esteem and view of themselves for the rest of their life.

In fact, about 9 out of 10 LGBT teens have reported being bullied at school within the past year because of their sexual orientation, according to the most recent gay bullying statistics. Out of those numbers, almost half have reported being physically harassed followed by another quarter who reported actually being physically assaulted.  Unfortunately most teens who experience bullying of any kind are reluctant to share their experience or report the incident to a teacher or trusted adult. Even more unfortunate are the gay statistics that report a lack of response among those teachers and school administration. According to a recent statistic, out of the students that did report a harassment or bullying situation because of their sexuality, about one third of the school staff didn't do anything to resolve the issue.

http://www.bullyingstatistics.org/content/gay-bullying-statistics.html

momtoscott
by Platinum Member on Apr. 7, 2013 at 2:53 PM
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Asserting that it's a choice lets people who oppose homosexuality feel better about condemning it as sinners choosing to sin.  They can find plenty of authorities to cite to bolster their POV and ignore the ones they don't agree with.  (Just as in debates about creationism and evolution.)

Nobody yet knows how much biochemistry and genes versus nurture and experiences form sexual orientation.  Until scientists parse it out better, I'd rather take the word of many of my gay friends who feel that they were born that way.  That's why I support SSM 100%, and I'm proud that I live in a state where SSM is legal.    

Veni.Vidi.Vici.
by on Apr. 7, 2013 at 2:57 PM
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I don't understand why people choose to not recognize that for some people it is a choice. So what! Choose a person whom you feel safe and comfortable with. We all shoud have that choice and the 'rights' associated by marriage.

newmom2be08
by Member on Apr. 7, 2013 at 3:19 PM
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Where is my "beating a dead horse" emoticon when I need it? 

 

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by on Apr. 7, 2013 at 3:21 PM

agree

it is not a choice



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purpleducky
by Silver Member on Apr. 7, 2013 at 3:22 PM
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It is because it is how they pat themselves on the back basically. "Look at me I am such a Godly person and uphold his laws" instead actually being Christ-like and not judging others. It is how they justify designating a whole section of people as second-class citizens.

newmom2be08
by Member on Apr. 7, 2013 at 3:45 PM
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Quoting purpleducky:

It is because it is how they pat themselves on the back basically. "Look at me I am such a Godly person and uphold his laws" instead actually being Christ-like and not judging others. It is how they justify designating a whole section of people as second-class citizens.

You have us Christians figured out it seems.  Whose judging who right now? 

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purpleducky
by Silver Member on Apr. 7, 2013 at 4:46 PM
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I never said it was Christians who acted that way. Some Christians do and yes I judge them for it because it is wrong.

Quoting newmom2be08:

 


Quoting purpleducky:


It is because it is how they pat themselves on the back basically. "Look at me I am such a Godly person and uphold his laws" instead actually being Christ-like and not judging others. It is how they justify designating a whole section of people as second-class citizens.


You have us Christians figured out it seems.  Whose judging who right now? 

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TranquilMind
by Platinum Member on Apr. 7, 2013 at 4:51 PM
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Don't you see that it's the same argument?  Marriage-minded heterosexuals have to date other appropriate marriage partners.  That means, not already married, not emotionally unavailable, not drug-addicted, not violent, etc.  We could probably add categories all day. 

They can still argue - and so many people having affairs argue this every single day - , "But you can't choose who you fall in love with!" But you CAN.  You make sure to steer clear of the inappropriate partners, and find someone who is an appropriate marriage partner in the first place.   

DestinyHLewis
by Destiny on Apr. 7, 2013 at 4:51 PM


That is not even close to a fair assessment and worlds below your level of intelligence. 

Quoting purpleducky:

It is because it is how they pat themselves on the back basically. "Look at me I am such a Godly person and uphold his laws" instead actually being Christ-like and not judging others. It is how they justify designating a whole section of people as second-class citizens.



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