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It always comes down to mental illness

Posted by on Apr. 11, 2013 at 3:05 PM
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It always comes down to mental illness

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Published April 10, 2013 

 

FoxNews.com

 

Dylan Quick, the 20-year-old accused of going on a stabbing rampage yesterday-injuring 14 people at Lone Star Community College in Texas-should settle the gun control/violence debate, once and for all.  

 

That won't happen, of course, because people who want to restrict personal freedoms will still turn a blind eye to the obvious: After years of America destroying its mental health care system, leaving it in ruins, as a national disgrace, cases of undiagnosed and untreated mental illness are to blame for the horrific episodes of violence that have made headlines and wrongly fueled gun control legislation.  

 

This is true for Jared Lee Loughner, who shot Congressman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson, Arizona.  It is true for James Holmes, the man accused of murdering 12 people in a Colorado movie theatre.  It is true for Adam Lanza, the man who murdered 20 children and 6 adults at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut.  

 

When legislators dally with measures targeted at guns or knives, instead of the very ill folks who sometimes use them to hurt others, they sow the seeds of tomorrow's tragedies.

 

Dylan Quick reportedly fantasized about killing people by stabbing them since he was a child.  He reportedly walked around wearing gloves, even in warm weather, clutching stuffed animals. 

 

I believe it will turn out that Mr. Quick, like the rest of the recent perpetrators of mass violence, fell through the colossal cracks in our decrepit system. A system of antiquated psychiatric facilities, understaffed community mental health centers and insurance companies hell-bent on restricting mental health care resources in a disproportionate fashion, compared to those targeted at other illnesses, and one which is a shameful show of prejudice towards the afflicted.

 

Anyone who now advocates limiting public access to knives of one kind or another, including the kind allegedly used by Mr. Quick, is either hopelessly misguided or a charlatan looking to make political points from this latest tragedy.  

 

When America allowed third-party insurers to decide how to appropriate mental health care resources, like wolves at chicken coops, the seeds of the tragedies in Arizona and Colorado and Connecticut and, now, Texas were being sown.  

 

When American psychiatrists decided to allow the American Psychiatric Association to coax so many in my profession out of their role as expert therapists who also prescribe medicines and into the role of "medication" doctors seeing patients for ten minutes, the seeds of these tragedies were being sown.  

 

When state legislators and public health officials decided that shutting down state hospitals and financially choking community mental health centers nearly to death was okay, the seeds of these tragedies were being sown. 

 

And when state and federal legislators dally with meaningless measures targeted at guns or knives, instead of the very ill folks who sometimes use them to hurt others, they sow the seeds of tomorrow's tragedies.

 

There's a reason why investigators and prosecutors and reporters and the public have such a hard time understanding the motives of men like Loughner, Holmes, Lanza and, if reports are true, Quick. It's because their motives are shrouded in the irrational thoughts born of mental illness, often in its most aggressive incarnation-psychosis.  

 

Take all the guns away.

 

Take all the knives away.  

 

The number of victims of murders with no apparent motive-born of under-treated, poorly treated or untreated mental illness-will be reduced not one bit. 

 

Because there will still be cars, and poisons, and hammers, and axes that can be used to inflict horrible injuries. The worst episode of school violence, back in 1927, claimed the lives of 38 children, and it involved explosives, not guns or knives.

 

Leaders either fix things, do nothing or harm needed efforts. Those who would control weapons, instead of mental illness, are in the third category.

 

 

Dr. Keith Ablow is a psychiatrist and member of the Fox News Medical A-Team. Dr. Ablow can be reached at info@keithablow.com.

 



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/04/10/it-not-knives-it-not-guns-it-mental-illness-that-kills/#ixzz2QBQ1BXuv

 

grandma B

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Donna6503
by Platinum Member on Apr. 11, 2013 at 3:08 PM
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Mental illness isn't a crime; why do you feel it should be treated as a crime?
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mehamil1
by Platinum Member on Apr. 11, 2013 at 3:15 PM
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Had he had a gun, some of those people would be dead. 

grandmab125
by Gold Member on Apr. 11, 2013 at 3:19 PM
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 Where did you dig up that ridiculous idea?  Apparently your reading comprehension isn't up to par with the average person's.  What is your point?  If you dropped in just to harass me, then you need to get a life. Let me know if you would like me to explain the article to you, paragraph by paragraph?

People always try to put words in other people's mouths, when they have nothing to contribute to the post.

Quoting Donna6503:

Mental illness isn't a crime; why do you feel it should be treated as a crime?

 

grandma B

brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Apr. 11, 2013 at 3:20 PM
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I was going to say this article seems silly but it is from Fox News.

First I don't believe I have ever heard anyone suggest turning a blind eye to mental health. In fact I do believe President Obama has included a 250 million dollar program to address that very issue (Not that it will be passed).

2nd. 12 victims and how many died? How many do you think would die if it was a gun he had in his hands?

There is not much of anything as efficient at killing people than a gun. If the person had a gun every person he was close enough to stab would have most likely had a fatal shot. And there would have been many more victims that a bullet couldl reach that his knife wouldn't have.

I agree that we need to bring more awareness to mental health issues, and offer better treatment/care, and make sure people know the warning signs.

I also believe we should force background checks and mental health test to people who desire guns. I don't advocate taking them away, and I don't advocate limiting the kind people can get.

But I believe it should be like driving. The more danger the weapon you get the more stipulations their should be to obtaining it.

Donna6503
by Platinum Member on Apr. 11, 2013 at 4:52 PM
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Please tell me you know what a question is, you know a thing that ends with a "?" at the end of a sentence.

It is a question if you're afraid to answer a question, that is fine .... No need for you to have a mental breakdown over a question.

Please relax, you can't afford to pay for your shrink; especially, over a simple question.

Stop making conservatives and mental illness look to be the same thing.


Quoting grandmab125:

 Where did you dig up that ridiculous idea?  Apparently your reading comprehension isn't up to par with the average person's.  What is your point?  If you dropped in just to harass me, then you need to get a life. Let me know if you would like me to explain the article to you, paragraph by paragraph?


People always try to put words in other people's mouths, when they have nothing to contribute to the post.


Quoting Donna6503:

Mental illness isn't a crime; why do you feel it should be treated as a crime?

 


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UpSheRises
by Platinum Member on Apr. 11, 2013 at 4:55 PM

You realize mental health care costs money, right? Can we really afford another entitlement program?

katy_kay08
by on Apr. 11, 2013 at 4:56 PM

B, would you support more federal money being used to treat the mentally ill?  

Carpy
by Ruby Member on Apr. 11, 2013 at 4:59 PM
How do you lock someone up for something they MIGHT someday do?
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Donna6503
by Platinum Member on Apr. 11, 2013 at 5:09 PM
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Here is the last paragraph of your post:

Leaders either fix things, do nothing or harm needed efforts. Those who would control weapons, instead of mental illness, are in the third category.

The jest of his article control mental illness instead of weapons.

So I will ask again,

Mental illness isn't a crime, why do you feel it should be treated as a crime? (Can you answer without going psycho, please)


Quoting grandmab125:

 Where did you dig up that ridiculous idea?  Apparently your reading comprehension isn't up to par with the average person's.  What is your point?  If you dropped in just to harass me, then you need to get a life. Let me know if you would like me to explain the article to you, paragraph by paragraph?


People always try to put words in other people's mouths, when they have nothing to contribute to the post.


Quoting Donna6503:

Mental illness isn't a crime; why do you feel it should be treated as a crime?

 


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grandmab125
by Gold Member on Apr. 11, 2013 at 5:16 PM
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 Why would I answer your question, when I never said mental illness was a crime.  Where in the article does Dr. Ablow say that mental illness is a crime.  It wasn't a question worthy of an answer.  You were and are purposely being obtuse.  It's not an attractive feature of yours.  Perhaps you should check in with your shrink to see why you have the need to be obnoxious.  Do they have meds for that?  God, I hope so for your sake and those around you.

Where did I say that conservatives and mental illness go hand in hand?  I didn't.  That's you making stuff up again.  Your opinions are a joke.  Is trolling fun for you?

You have purposely ignored the whole point of this article, just so that you can be snide.

Quoting Donna6503:

Please tell me you know what a question is, you know a thing that ends with a "?" at the end of a sentence.

It is a question if you're afraid to answer a question, that is fine .... No need for you to have a mental breakdown over a question.

Please relax, you can't afford to pay for your shrink; especially, over a simple question.

Stop making conservatives and mental illness look to be the same thing.


Quoting grandmab125:

 Where did you dig up that ridiculous idea?  Apparently your reading comprehension isn't up to par with the average person's.  What is your point?  If you dropped in just to harass me, then you need to get a life. Let me know if you would like me to explain the article to you, paragraph by paragraph?


People always try to put words in other people's mouths, when they have nothing to contribute to the post.


Quoting Donna6503:

Mental illness isn't a crime; why do you feel it should be treated as a crime?

 


 

grandma B

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