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It always comes down to mental illness

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It always comes down to mental illness

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Published April 10, 2013 

 

FoxNews.com

 

Dylan Quick, the 20-year-old accused of going on a stabbing rampage yesterday-injuring 14 people at Lone Star Community College in Texas-should settle the gun control/violence debate, once and for all.  

 

That won't happen, of course, because people who want to restrict personal freedoms will still turn a blind eye to the obvious: After years of America destroying its mental health care system, leaving it in ruins, as a national disgrace, cases of undiagnosed and untreated mental illness are to blame for the horrific episodes of violence that have made headlines and wrongly fueled gun control legislation.  

 

This is true for Jared Lee Loughner, who shot Congressman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson, Arizona.  It is true for James Holmes, the man accused of murdering 12 people in a Colorado movie theatre.  It is true for Adam Lanza, the man who murdered 20 children and 6 adults at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut.  

 

When legislators dally with measures targeted at guns or knives, instead of the very ill folks who sometimes use them to hurt others, they sow the seeds of tomorrow's tragedies.

 

Dylan Quick reportedly fantasized about killing people by stabbing them since he was a child.  He reportedly walked around wearing gloves, even in warm weather, clutching stuffed animals. 

 

I believe it will turn out that Mr. Quick, like the rest of the recent perpetrators of mass violence, fell through the colossal cracks in our decrepit system. A system of antiquated psychiatric facilities, understaffed community mental health centers and insurance companies hell-bent on restricting mental health care resources in a disproportionate fashion, compared to those targeted at other illnesses, and one which is a shameful show of prejudice towards the afflicted.

 

Anyone who now advocates limiting public access to knives of one kind or another, including the kind allegedly used by Mr. Quick, is either hopelessly misguided or a charlatan looking to make political points from this latest tragedy.  

 

When America allowed third-party insurers to decide how to appropriate mental health care resources, like wolves at chicken coops, the seeds of the tragedies in Arizona and Colorado and Connecticut and, now, Texas were being sown.  

 

When American psychiatrists decided to allow the American Psychiatric Association to coax so many in my profession out of their role as expert therapists who also prescribe medicines and into the role of "medication" doctors seeing patients for ten minutes, the seeds of these tragedies were being sown.  

 

When state legislators and public health officials decided that shutting down state hospitals and financially choking community mental health centers nearly to death was okay, the seeds of these tragedies were being sown. 

 

And when state and federal legislators dally with meaningless measures targeted at guns or knives, instead of the very ill folks who sometimes use them to hurt others, they sow the seeds of tomorrow's tragedies.

 

There's a reason why investigators and prosecutors and reporters and the public have such a hard time understanding the motives of men like Loughner, Holmes, Lanza and, if reports are true, Quick. It's because their motives are shrouded in the irrational thoughts born of mental illness, often in its most aggressive incarnation-psychosis.  

 

Take all the guns away.

 

Take all the knives away.  

 

The number of victims of murders with no apparent motive-born of under-treated, poorly treated or untreated mental illness-will be reduced not one bit. 

 

Because there will still be cars, and poisons, and hammers, and axes that can be used to inflict horrible injuries. The worst episode of school violence, back in 1927, claimed the lives of 38 children, and it involved explosives, not guns or knives.

 

Leaders either fix things, do nothing or harm needed efforts. Those who would control weapons, instead of mental illness, are in the third category.

 

 

Dr. Keith Ablow is a psychiatrist and member of the Fox News Medical A-Team. Dr. Ablow can be reached at info@keithablow.com.

 



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/04/10/it-not-knives-it-not-guns-it-mental-illness-that-kills/#ixzz2QBQ1BXuv

 

grandma B

by on Apr. 11, 2013 at 3:05 PM
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grandmab125
by Gold Member on Apr. 11, 2013 at 5:32 PM
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 I guess I need to spell it out for you.  In MHO, Ablow is saying that instead of passing restrictive gun laws (more than we have right now), the powers that be should be doing more to control the psychotics (get them hospitalized and on treatment) that are running around free.

It is because of the closing of so many mental hospitals, years of even the police not being able to get violent people committed for observation and treatment, nowhere for the families of the mentally ill to get help in getting their mentally ill relatives the help they need, i.e., perhaps hospitalization, psychiatrists and psychologists who know their patients are violent, yet they do nothing to get them hospitalized, and on and on.

Then there is the failure of the present Fed NICBC system to weed out the mentally ill from getting the green light for purchasing guns.  Oh, and let's not forget the failure of this admin to pursue and enforce the punishment of people who get caught lieing on their applications in the first place.

Now, do you need further explanations than those?

Quoting Donna6503:

Here is the last paragraph of your post:

Leaders either fix things, do nothing or harm needed efforts. Those who would control weapons, instead of mental illness, are in the third category.

The jest of his article control mental illness instead of weapons.

So I will ask again,

Mental illness isn't a crime, why do you feel it should be treated as a crime? (Can you answer without going psycho, please)


Quoting grandmab125:

 Where did you dig up that ridiculous idea?  Apparently your reading comprehension isn't up to par with the average person's.  What is your point?  If you dropped in just to harass me, then you need to get a life. Let me know if you would like me to explain the article to you, paragraph by paragraph?


People always try to put words in other people's mouths, when they have nothing to contribute to the post.


Quoting Donna6503:

Mental illness isn't a crime; why do you feel it should be treated as a crime?

 


 

grandma B

rfurlongg
by on Apr. 11, 2013 at 5:59 PM

A great deal of improvements need to be made in the mental health field.

Donna6503
by Platinum Member on Apr. 11, 2013 at 6:05 PM
Gee you sure love to attack me; yet, you made some good points and a decent rebuttal.

Still, you wrote:

It is because of the closing of so many mental hospitals, years of even the police not being able to get violent people committed for observation and treatment ...

The police has the power to arrest, to get people "committed" by normal definition is the police using its powers to treat mental illness as a crime.

Now, if you feel that the police using its power to commit people to hospitalization isn't the same as basic arrest powers of the police. That's fine, I get it ... I just don't agree with that opinion. So there is no need to attack me.

Your others are fine and for the must part, most people will agree with em.



Quoting grandmab125:

 I guess I need to spell it out for you.  In MHO, Ablow is saying that instead of passing restrictive gun laws (more than we have right now), the powers that be should be doing more to control the psychotics (get them hospitalized and on treatment) that are running around free.


It is because of the closing of so many mental hospitals, years of even the police not being able to get violent people committed for observation and treatment, nowhere for the families of the mentally ill to get help in getting their mentally ill relatives the help they need, i.e., perhaps hospitalization, psychiatrists and psychologists who know their patients are violent, yet they do nothing to get them hospitalized, and on and on.


Then there is the failure of the present Fed NICBC system to weed out the mentally ill from getting the green light for purchasing guns.  Oh, and let's not forget the failure of this admin to pursue and enforce the punishment of people who get caught lieing on their applications in the first place.


Now, do you need further explanations than those?


Quoting Donna6503:

Here is the last paragraph of your post:

Leaders either fix things, do nothing or harm needed efforts. Those who would control weapons, instead of mental illness, are in the third category.

The jest of his article control mental illness instead of weapons.

So I will ask again,

Mental illness isn't a crime, why do you feel it should be treated as a crime? (Can you answer without going psycho, please)



Quoting grandmab125:


 Where did you dig up that ridiculous idea?  Apparently your reading comprehension isn't up to par with the average person's.  What is your point?  If you dropped in just to harass me, then you need to get a life. Let me know if you would like me to explain the article to you, paragraph by paragraph?



People always try to put words in other people's mouths, when they have nothing to contribute to the post.



Quoting Donna6503:

Mental illness isn't a crime; why do you feel it should be treated as a crime?


 



 


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GeekMommi
by on Apr. 11, 2013 at 6:10 PM
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I tried asking a question about mental illness. Because it is a problem that needs attention but no one really wanted to give an opinion.

How do we go about paying for more mental health care? Are they willing to treat people for free who can't afford it? Change laws?

Since most of us think its part of the problem, why doesn't anyone want to talk about it. lol


furbabymum
by on Apr. 11, 2013 at 6:12 PM
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 Our insurance company has done a hell of a lot to try to stop mental health care for us. They've taken our provider off the list of people they will pay and they send us constant letters about "alternatives". Insurance companies suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cubanmom84
by Member on Apr. 11, 2013 at 6:15 PM

I want to see them ban knifes now... really.. come on, where is the parade and the noise about knifes?! I have always said this and will always say it. Is not about the weapons used, is about the fact that this people are not getting the help that they need and even when its in our faces, its ignored and side tracked with "oh guns are evil" , no, we need to start recognizing mental illness as the reall problem here. 

I deal with a MIL who suffers from depression, anxiety, and suicidal thoughts, i don't put a knife in her hands and say "go at it", that's crazy.

Weapons are not the issue, mental health is the problem, is not a crime but its a real problem.  

furbabymum
by on Apr. 11, 2013 at 6:15 PM
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 I think a lot could be done to make mental health care more available to the masses BUT as the saying goes, You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. A lot of people don't want to get treatment. It feels good and normal to them to be how they are.

Quoting GeekMommi:

I tried asking a question about mental illness. Because it is a problem that needs attention but no one really wanted to give an opinion.

How do we go about paying for more mental health care? Are they willing to treat people for free who can't afford it? Change laws?

Since most of us think its part of the problem, why doesn't anyone want to talk about it. lol


 

GeekMommi
by on Apr. 11, 2013 at 6:19 PM
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Maybe we need to make it easier for people to be committed?


Quoting furbabymum:

 I think a lot could be done to make mental health care more available to the masses BUT as the saying goes, You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. A lot of people don't want to get treatment. It feels good and normal to them to be how they are.

Quoting GeekMommi:

I tried asking a question about mental illness. Because it is a problem that needs attention but no one really wanted to give an opinion.

How do we go about paying for more mental health care? Are they willing to treat people for free who can't afford it? Change laws?

Since most of us think its part of the problem, why doesn't anyone want to talk about it. lol


 



furbabymum
by on Apr. 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM

 We'd never be able to let them out then. My DH is bipolar so I speak with some experience. He's always taken his meds and done treatment (well since diagnosed at least). He has said that the medication dulls everything. That he likes how he used to feel. I'm pretty much the reason he takes his meds. I'd leave if he ever stopped.

Anyway, what I'm saying is that we can't monitor every mentally ill person there is to make sure they are taking their medication and taking it correctly. There will be those who don't want to take it and won't.

The only thing I can see is making it a lot more cost effective (my DH's medications are incredibly expensive) for those who want treatment to get it.

Quoting GeekMommi:

Maybe we need to make it easier for people to be committed?

 

Quoting furbabymum:

 I think a lot could be done to make mental health care more available to the masses BUT as the saying goes, You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. A lot of people don't want to get treatment. It feels good and normal to them to be how they are.

Quoting GeekMommi:

I tried asking a question about mental illness. Because it is a problem that needs attention but no one really wanted to give an opinion.

How do we go about paying for more mental health care? Are they willing to treat people for free who can't afford it? Change laws?

Since most of us think its part of the problem, why doesn't anyone want to talk about it. lol


 

 

 

 

rfurlongg
by on Apr. 11, 2013 at 6:30 PM
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But how do we do that with HIPPA laws? Most people with mental illness are not dangerous. How and who will determine who is committed? For how long? Where? Who pays? It is a multifaceted issue.

Quoting GeekMommi:

Maybe we need to make it easier for people to be committed?


Quoting furbabymum:

 I think a lot could be done to make mental health care more available to the masses BUT as the saying goes, You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. A lot of people don't want to get treatment. It feels good and normal to them to be how they are.

Quoting GeekMommi:

I tried asking a question about mental illness. Because it is a problem that needs attention but no one really wanted to give an opinion.

How do we go about paying for more mental health care? Are they willing to treat people for free who can't afford it? Change laws?

Since most of us think its part of the problem, why doesn't anyone want to talk about it. lol


 




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