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It always comes down to mental illness

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It always comes down to mental illness

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Published April 10, 2013 

 

FoxNews.com

 

Dylan Quick, the 20-year-old accused of going on a stabbing rampage yesterday-injuring 14 people at Lone Star Community College in Texas-should settle the gun control/violence debate, once and for all.  

 

That won't happen, of course, because people who want to restrict personal freedoms will still turn a blind eye to the obvious: After years of America destroying its mental health care system, leaving it in ruins, as a national disgrace, cases of undiagnosed and untreated mental illness are to blame for the horrific episodes of violence that have made headlines and wrongly fueled gun control legislation.  

 

This is true for Jared Lee Loughner, who shot Congressman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson, Arizona.  It is true for James Holmes, the man accused of murdering 12 people in a Colorado movie theatre.  It is true for Adam Lanza, the man who murdered 20 children and 6 adults at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut.  

 

When legislators dally with measures targeted at guns or knives, instead of the very ill folks who sometimes use them to hurt others, they sow the seeds of tomorrow's tragedies.

 

Dylan Quick reportedly fantasized about killing people by stabbing them since he was a child.  He reportedly walked around wearing gloves, even in warm weather, clutching stuffed animals. 

 

I believe it will turn out that Mr. Quick, like the rest of the recent perpetrators of mass violence, fell through the colossal cracks in our decrepit system. A system of antiquated psychiatric facilities, understaffed community mental health centers and insurance companies hell-bent on restricting mental health care resources in a disproportionate fashion, compared to those targeted at other illnesses, and one which is a shameful show of prejudice towards the afflicted.

 

Anyone who now advocates limiting public access to knives of one kind or another, including the kind allegedly used by Mr. Quick, is either hopelessly misguided or a charlatan looking to make political points from this latest tragedy.  

 

When America allowed third-party insurers to decide how to appropriate mental health care resources, like wolves at chicken coops, the seeds of the tragedies in Arizona and Colorado and Connecticut and, now, Texas were being sown.  

 

When American psychiatrists decided to allow the American Psychiatric Association to coax so many in my profession out of their role as expert therapists who also prescribe medicines and into the role of "medication" doctors seeing patients for ten minutes, the seeds of these tragedies were being sown.  

 

When state legislators and public health officials decided that shutting down state hospitals and financially choking community mental health centers nearly to death was okay, the seeds of these tragedies were being sown. 

 

And when state and federal legislators dally with meaningless measures targeted at guns or knives, instead of the very ill folks who sometimes use them to hurt others, they sow the seeds of tomorrow's tragedies.

 

There's a reason why investigators and prosecutors and reporters and the public have such a hard time understanding the motives of men like Loughner, Holmes, Lanza and, if reports are true, Quick. It's because their motives are shrouded in the irrational thoughts born of mental illness, often in its most aggressive incarnation-psychosis.  

 

Take all the guns away.

 

Take all the knives away.  

 

The number of victims of murders with no apparent motive-born of under-treated, poorly treated or untreated mental illness-will be reduced not one bit. 

 

Because there will still be cars, and poisons, and hammers, and axes that can be used to inflict horrible injuries. The worst episode of school violence, back in 1927, claimed the lives of 38 children, and it involved explosives, not guns or knives.

 

Leaders either fix things, do nothing or harm needed efforts. Those who would control weapons, instead of mental illness, are in the third category.

 

 

Dr. Keith Ablow is a psychiatrist and member of the Fox News Medical A-Team. Dr. Ablow can be reached at info@keithablow.com.

 



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/04/10/it-not-knives-it-not-guns-it-mental-illness-that-kills/#ixzz2QBQ1BXuv

 

grandma B

by on Apr. 11, 2013 at 3:05 PM
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sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on Apr. 11, 2013 at 6:32 PM
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Majority of mentally ill folks don't kill people.


I know mentally ill people that are leading normal productive lives and raising families.

They have the same rights as an American citizen that you do
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lga1965
by on Apr. 11, 2013 at 6:39 PM
I suggest the federal budget takes money from the War effort weapons,bombs,etc. And then send those funds to mental health and background checks that include people who have been treated either as an in patient or out patient.

Quoting GeekMommi:

I tried asking a question about mental illness. Because it is a problem that needs attention but no one really wanted to give an opinion.

How do we go about paying for more mental health care? Are they willing to treat people for free who can't afford it? Change laws?

Since most of us think its part of the problem, why doesn't anyone want to talk about it. lol


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GeekMommi
by on Apr. 11, 2013 at 6:42 PM

I know we couldn't get to every person that needed help.  Things are never ever perfect.

I agree costs need to come down, its a crime to make people pay that much for medicine.


mehamil1
by Platinum Member on Apr. 11, 2013 at 6:44 PM

There's more than enough money and resources to treat people for a shit load of stuff and them some. What lacks is the will to spend money on that. Politicians are constantly trading with each other stuff that affects everyone when budget deals are metted out (or not). 

Corruption keeps so much good from happening. Both sides of the political isle are guilty of this. We have more than enough money to treat, feed, house, and educate every single person in this country. What is lacking is the will to do that. 

Quoting GeekMommi:

I tried asking a question about mental illness. Because it is a problem that needs attention but no one really wanted to give an opinion.

How do we go about paying for more mental health care? Are they willing to treat people for free who can't afford it? Change laws?

Since most of us think its part of the problem, why doesn't anyone want to talk about it. lol

furbabymum
by on Apr. 11, 2013 at 6:44 PM

 What good would a background check do?

Quoting lga1965:

I suggest the federal budget takes money from the War effort weapons,bombs,etc. And then send those funds to mental health and background checks that include people who have been treated either as an in patient or out patient.

Quoting GeekMommi:

I tried asking a question about mental illness. Because it is a problem that needs attention but no one really wanted to give an opinion.

How do we go about paying for more mental health care? Are they willing to treat people for free who can't afford it? Change laws?

Since most of us think its part of the problem, why doesn't anyone want to talk about it. lol


 

GeekMommi
by on Apr. 11, 2013 at 6:53 PM
I would not mind cutting the war budget one bit and bringing home some troops. I hope some more republicans comment on this.
Quoting lga1965:

I suggest the federal budget takes money from the War effort weapons,bombs,etc. And then send those funds to mental health and background checks that include people who have been treated either as an in patient or out patient.
Carpy
by Ruby Member on Apr. 11, 2013 at 6:55 PM

How do we lock people up or force drugs in them because they Might do something in the future?

mehamil1
by Platinum Member on Apr. 11, 2013 at 6:57 PM

There's no real way to know that. But there's a shit ton we can do in the meantime in regrads to mental health. This violence is on the uptick and something has to be done. I don't know what, I'm not an expert in mental health. 

Quoting Carpy:

How do we lock people up or force drugs in them because they Might do something in the future.

Carpy
by Ruby Member on Apr. 11, 2013 at 6:58 PM

He didn't want a gun. His fantasy was stabbing.

Quoting mehamil1:

Had he had a gun, some of those people would be dead. 


GeekMommi
by on Apr. 11, 2013 at 7:00 PM


I know, that's why I wanted to hear what people thought. I'm wondering if we can talk not fight about something like mental illness... something most people on both sides agree needs attention. I'm tired of fighting.....

Quoting rfurlongg:

But how do we do that with HIPPA laws? Most people with mental illness are not dangerous. How and who will determine who is committed? For how long? Where? Who pays? It is a multifaceted issue.

Quoting GeekMommi:

Maybe we need to make it easier for people to be committed?


Quoting furbabymum:

 I think a lot could be done to make mental health care more available to the masses BUT as the saying goes, You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. A lot of people don't want to get treatment. It feels good and normal to them to be how they are.

Quoting GeekMommi:

I tried asking a question about mental illness. Because it is a problem that needs attention but no one really wanted to give an opinion.

How do we go about paying for more mental health care? Are they willing to treat people for free who can't afford it? Change laws?

Since most of us think its part of the problem, why doesn't anyone want to talk about it. lol


 






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