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Catholic and Support Gay Marriage? No Communion for You!

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Catholic and Support Gay Marriage? No Communion for You!

The leader of the Detroit Archdiocese has said that if Catholic congregants support same-sex marriage they should be denied Communion, and he’s not alone in that thinking.

The Archbishop of Detroit Allen Vigneron on Sunday told the Detroit Free Press that he agrees with a senior Catholic lawyer that those who support same-sex marriage should be denied Communion. Vigneron reportedly told the Free Press:

“For a Catholic to receive holy Communion and still deny the revelation Christ entrusted to the church is to try to say two contradictory things at once: ‘I believe the church offers the saving truth of Jesus, and I reject what the church teaches.’ In effect, they would contradict themselves. This sort of behavior would result in publicly renouncing one’s integrity and logically bring shame for a double-dealing that is not unlike perjury.”

For a number of years now, senior Catholic figures have threatened public officials, like Rep. Nancy Pelosi, with a denial of Communion over issues like pro-choice reforms, and now increasingly, this is applied to the issue of same-sex marriage.

Vigneron’s comments chase those of Edward Peters, a lawyer and adviser to the Vatican who teaches Catholic canon law at Sacred Heart Major Seminary in Detroit and who, in a blog post last month, wrote:

“The Catholic Church teaches, through its ordinary magisterium and with infallible certainty, that marriage exists only between one man and one woman [...] Catholics who promote “same-sex marriage” act contrary to Canon 209 § 1 and should not approach for holy Communion per Canon 916. Depending on the facts of the case, they also risk having holy Communion withheld from them under Canon 915, being rebuked under Canon 1339 § 2, and/or being sanctioned under Canon 1369 for gravely injuring good morals.”

Peters goes on to say those engaging in a same-sex marriage or those who have helped facilitate a same-sex marriage could also be barred from Communion.

Whether as damage control or an empty attempt to answer criticism, the diocese’s spokesperson, Joe Kohn, issued the following statement on Monday:

The archbishop’s focal point here is not “gay marriage”; it is a Catholic’s reception of Holy Communion. If a Catholic publicly opposes the church on a serious matter of the church’s teaching, any serious matter — for example, whether it be a rejection of the divinity of Christ, racist beliefs, support for abortion or support for redefining marriage — that would contradict the public affirmation they would make of the church’s beliefs by receiving Communion.

As the archbishop states, the pastors of the church are ready to assist Catholics to help them understand and avoid this conflict.

Vigneron called Catholics supporting same-sex marriage tantamount to perjury. You don’t get to throw around words like that and then pretend, as Kohn does above, that there’s no argument to be fought.

Now an initial reaction to this might be that the position, while odious, is perfectly within the realm of religious freedom of expression and that the church can define its own rules however it sees fit. Fine. Move on. Except that while in some circumstances that is true, there’s a problem here, isn’t there?

Increasingly, a majority of Catholic congregants support, if not same-sex marriage in the religious sense, marriage equality in the secular and legal sense. A recent poll says that support has now surpassed the majority mark at 54%. When asked about this, they often cite their religious beliefs. An example would be the aforementioned Nancy Pelosi, who has said her faith and her self-avowed relationship with God compels her to oppose discrimination.

So what of a religious right to express that aspect of one’s faith by supporting same-sex marriage?

Well, it seems the Catholic church is dealing with this by defining those people out of being Catholic and denying them Holy Communion, a key pillar for Catholic identity.

Technically the church can do whatever it wants in that regard, but one thing is certain. With positions like this, the church could shed support in swathes and elegantly marginalize itself in only a matter of decades because what the church thinks it means to be Catholic really doesn’t seem to be what its congregants think Catholicism is, and this is a possibly fatal disconnect.

In the short term at least, it makes the church’s staunch cries about how we must protect religious rights and rally against marriage equality sound even more hollow.

 

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by on Apr. 12, 2013 at 11:10 AM
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LucyMom08
by Gold Member on Apr. 12, 2013 at 11:33 AM
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 Why do you say that? What gives you that authority?

Quoting MidwestMama55:

Makes sense to me.  If you support gay marriage, you are not a Catholic and should not be receiving Holy Communion. Find a "Joe Bob's" church to be a part of.

 

LucyMom08
by Gold Member on Apr. 12, 2013 at 11:35 AM
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 Yet her point is still valid...those priests still get to deliver communion...those who have their own opinion which *doesn't* hurt anyone, don't get to receive communion...talk about priorities...

Quoting MidwestMama55:

Sad that you are such a hater. A very, very, very tiny number of priests were involved in those horrible acts. There are more schoolteachers that molest children than Catholic priests. There are more Protestant ministers that molest children than Catholic priests. There are more parents that molest children than Catholic priests. But for those who hate religion, they just see what they want to see.

 

Quoting mehamil1:

Support marriage equality, don't get to eat Jesus. 

Molest children, get to eat Jesus. 

Yeah, makes perfect sense. 

 

 

 

SuperChicken
by on Apr. 12, 2013 at 11:37 AM
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The Catholic Church has always demanded 100% obedience and discouraged individuals from thinking for themselves.  How many centuries did it take for them to allow the Bible to be printed in a language other than Latin, so that only the priests could actually read what was in the Bible and therefore no one would know if they were lying?  

12hellokitty
by Platinum Member on Apr. 12, 2013 at 11:42 AM
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A Catholic can hold whatever opinion they chose, it's when they publicly speak out against Church teachings they should be denied Communion.  As for the priests do you have a source?

Quoting LucyMom08:

 Yet her point is still valid...those priests still get to deliver communion...those who have their own opinion which *doesn't* hurt anyone, don't get to receive communion...talk about priorities...

Quoting MidwestMama55:

Sad that you are such a hater. A very, very, very tiny number of priests were involved in those horrible acts. There are more schoolteachers that molest children than Catholic priests. There are more Protestant ministers that molest children than Catholic priests. There are more parents that molest children than Catholic priests. But for those who hate religion, they just see what they want to see.


Quoting mehamil1:

Support marriage equality, don't get to eat Jesus. 

Molest children, get to eat Jesus. 

Yeah, makes perfect sense. 



 



mehamil1
by Platinum Member on Apr. 12, 2013 at 11:42 AM
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I'm not a hater. But way to assume. People who assume are not cool and don't get respectful responses. But you are new here. You didn't know that.  

The number of priests who molested is small. But the church covered it up. That maneuvering went about all throughout the hierarchy of the church. All the way to the top, the pope. They all knew about it and didn't turn out those fuckers. They moved them around instead of handing them over to the police. So the number involved in the coverup is much much much higher. 

Molestation happens all over the world and within all religions and institutions. It's a huge problem. However, the Catholic church bent over backwards to cover it up. More so than other institutions. There are studies to back that up. More often than not, Protestant churches handed over molesters to police. There was a story awhile back about an Imam (kinda Muslim priest sorta) who raped a 12 year old girl and when the congregation found out the almost burned down the mans house. Crazy mob right there. No cover up, they went after his blood. The Catholic church has covered up these abuses like no other institution.

I don't hate religion. Just those who make excuses for the shit done by those who are running the show. 

Quoting MidwestMama55:

Sad that you are such a hater. A very, very, very tiny number of priests were involved in those horrible acts. There are more schoolteachers that molest children than Catholic priests. There are more Protestant ministers that molest children than Catholic priests. There are more parents that molest children than Catholic priests. But for those who hate religion, they just see what they want to see.

Quoting mehamil1:

Support marriage equality, don't get to eat Jesus. 

Molest children, get to eat Jesus. 

Yeah, makes perfect sense.

12hellokitty
by Platinum Member on Apr. 12, 2013 at 11:47 AM
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Quoting SuperChicken:

The Catholic Church has always demanded 100% obedience and discouraged individuals from thinking for themselves.  How many centuries did it take for them to allow the Bible to be printed in a language other than Latin, so that only the priests could actually read what was in the Bible and therefore no one would know if they were lying?  


You may want to read about the history of the printing press.

LucyMom08
by Gold Member on Apr. 12, 2013 at 11:50 AM

 So knowingly molesting children and ignoring priests who do so doesn't go against church teachings? Good to know :/

And here...

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/archdiocese+settles+Catholic+priest+abuse+cases/8087050/story.html

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/04/13/world/catholic-priests-unmasked-god-doesnt-like-boys-who-cry/#.UWgtBRrD8_8

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/priestabuse/

 

 

This is just after a 5 minute Google search...let me know if you need more sources... 

Quoting 12hellokitty:

 

A Catholic can hold whatever opinion they chose, it's when they publicly speak out against Church teachings they should be denied Communion.  As for the priests do you have a source?

Quoting LucyMom08:

 Yet her point is still valid...those priests still get to deliver communion...those who have their own opinion which *doesn't* hurt anyone, don't get to receive communion...talk about priorities...

Quoting MidwestMama55:

Sad that you are such a hater. A very, very, very tiny number of priests were involved in those horrible acts. There are more schoolteachers that molest children than Catholic priests. There are more Protestant ministers that molest children than Catholic priests. There are more parents that molest children than Catholic priests. But for those who hate religion, they just see what they want to see.

 

Quoting mehamil1:

Support marriage equality, don't get to eat Jesus. 

Molest children, get to eat Jesus. 

Yeah, makes perfect sense. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

momtoscott
by Platinum Member on Apr. 12, 2013 at 11:52 AM

The picture brought back memories--in my church it was grape juice in the cups and little cubes of white bread.  

I dunno about the policy, though.  Are Catholics who support the use of, say, hormonal birth control by non-Catholics also in danger of excommunication?  What about Catholics who support IVF, again, for the use of non-Catholics who want a baby and need to use this means of conception?  That's equally against Catholic doctrine as far as I understand it.  

pansyprincess
by Silver Member on Apr. 12, 2013 at 11:54 AM
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 But why should it matter the number?  The church shielded and protected these priests and allowed them to remain in the church and receive the Eucharist.  As a Catholic, you should be appalled by this, not making excuses for it.

Do you believe a pedophile deserves communion, but a person that supports love doesn't?  Are you really that backwards?


Quoting MidwestMama55:

Sad that you are such a hater. A very, very, very tiny number of priests were involved in those horrible acts. There are more schoolteachers that molest children than Catholic priests. There are more Protestant ministers that molest children than Catholic priests. There are more parents that molest children than Catholic priests. But for those who hate religion, they just see what they want to see.

 

Quoting mehamil1:

Support marriage equality, don't get to eat Jesus. 

Molest children, get to eat Jesus. 

Yeah, makes perfect sense. 

 

 


 

jehosoba84
by Jenn on Apr. 12, 2013 at 11:55 AM
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 I dearly hope no Catholics have been receiving the Eucharist while supporting these views.

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