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New Pope Continues fight against American Nuns

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Pope Francis reiterates 'radical feminist' criticism of US nuns' group

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Pope Francis, shown Sunday, reaffirmed the church's official criticism of the group representing most U.S. nuns as having 'radical feminist' doctrine.

VATICAN CITY -- Pope Francis has reaffirmed the Vatican's criticism of a body that represents U.S. nuns that the Church said was tainted by "radical" feminism, dashing hopes that he might take a softer stand with the sisters.

Francis's predecessor, Benedict, decreed that the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR), a group that represents more than 80 percent of the 57,000 Catholic nuns in the United States, must change its ways, a ruling that the Vatican said on Monday still applied.

Last year, a Vatican report said the LCWR had "serious doctrinal problems" and promoted "radical feminist themes incompatible with the Catholic faith," criticizing it for taking a soft line on issues such as birth control and homosexuality.

The nuns received wide support among American Catholics, particularly on the liberal wing of the church, as LCWR leaders travelled around the United States in a bus to defend themselves against the accusations.

On Monday the group's leaders met Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Mueller, the new head of the Vatican's doctrinal department, and Archbishop Peter Sartain of Seattle, who has been assigned by the Vatican to correct the group's perceived failings.

"Archbishop Mueller informed the (LCWR) presidency that he had recently discussed the doctrinal assessment with Pope Francis, who reaffirmed the findings of the assessment and the program of reform, " the Vatican's statement said.

The Vatican reminded the group that it would "remain under the direction of the Holy See," the statement said.

It was the nuns' first meeting with Mueller, who succeeded American Cardinal William Levada as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Levada, who retired last year, oversaw the Vatican's investigation of the U.S. nuns.

A statement from the LCWR said the "conversation was open and frank" and added: "We pray that these conversations may bear fruit for the good of the Church."

In April 2012, the doctrinal department criticized the LCWR for challenging bishops and for being "silent on the right to life," saying it had failed to make the "Biblical view of family life and human sexuality" a central plank of its agenda.

The nuns supported President Barack Obama's health-care reform, part of which makes insurance coverage of birth control mandatory, while U.S. bishops opposed it.

Many nuns said the Vatican's report misunderstood their intentions and undervalued their work for social justice.

Supporters of the nuns said the women had helped the image of the church in the United States at a time when it was engulfed in scandal over sexual abuse of minors by priests. They were praised by many fellow Catholics and the media for their work with the poor and sick.

Monday's Vatican statement expressed gratitude for the "great contribution" American Catholic nuns had made in teaching and caring for the sick and poor.

Neon Washable Paint

by on Apr. 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM
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NWP
by guerrilla girl on Apr. 15, 2013 at 7:49 PM

As I stated below, with a link, the sisters were instructed to redirect their mission with the poor to instead focus on protesting politics.

They refused.

Good for them.

That said, it is pretty clear example that helping the poor is a good way to be labeled a radical on the left of center by conservatives.

Quoting 12hellokitty:


   The sisters were not instructed to stop helping the poor.  They were instructed to stop teaching radical feminism.

Quoting NWP:

I have been following this story for a couple of years now, long before this pope. The nuns have been doing the same thing they have been doing for the past 40 years.

The previous pope instructed the American nuns to redirect their missions and focus away from their current work of helping the poor to take up the Vatican's current political agenda against gay marriage and choice. The nuns protested and refused to pull resources away from their help with poor communities to take on these political directives, claiming they are doing the work of God through their poverty missions, as directed in the Bible.

It is a fascinating story of should the nuns follow the work and word of the Lord as they themselves are biblical scholars, or the political mission of the man currently in charge of the Vatican. Many articles have been written about it and I have posted several.

Folks have stated that these nuns should do as they are told because they are Catholic, but the Catholic leadership has been off target before.

The Vatican this week attacked America’s nuns for spending too much time working to help the poor and fight poverty, and not spending enough time attacking same-sex marriage. The criticism, considered formal disciplinary action against  the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR), which represents over 55,000 nuns in the United States, also labeled as “grave and a matter of serious concern,” that the nuns are not sufficiently denouncing abortion, Obamacare, and women’s ordination.

“The directive, which follows a two-year investigation by Rome, also comes as the Vatican appeared ready to welcome a controversial right-wing splinter group of Catholic traditionalists back into the fold, possibly by giving the group a special status so that they can continue to espouse their old-line rites and beliefs,” The Washington Post reports


Quoting soonergirl980:


Well considering this Pope is known in his country as a huge supporter of the poor and the fact the article posted has nothing to do with the poor I think your comment is way off base. I was refering to the birth control and the church's stance on homosexuality.

Quoting NWP:

It does seem that now days helping the poor is considered a liberal idea.

Quoting soonergirl980:

I don't understand the expectation of people that the Pope who is the head of the Catholic Church arguably a very conservative religion would change its doctrine for social liberal ideas.








Neon Washable Paint

12hellokitty
by Platinum Member on Apr. 15, 2013 at 8:11 PM
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I didn't see anything from the Vatican telling the sisters to stop serving the poor.  

Quoting NWP:

As I stated below, with a link, the sisters were instructed to redirect their mission with the poor to instead focus on protesting politics.

They refused.

Good for them.

That said, it is pretty clear example that helping the poor is a good way to be labeled a radical on the left of center by conservatives.

Quoting 12hellokitty:


   The sisters were not instructed to stop helping the poor.  They were instructed to stop teaching radical feminism.

Quoting NWP:

I have been following this story for a couple of years now, long before this pope. The nuns have been doing the same thing they have been doing for the past 40 years.

The previous pope instructed the American nuns to redirect their missions and focus away from their current work of helping the poor to take up the Vatican's current political agenda against gay marriage and choice. The nuns protested and refused to pull resources away from their help with poor communities to take on these political directives, claiming they are doing the work of God through their poverty missions, as directed in the Bible.

It is a fascinating story of should the nuns follow the work and word of the Lord as they themselves are biblical scholars, or the political mission of the man currently in charge of the Vatican. Many articles have been written about it and I have posted several.

Folks have stated that these nuns should do as they are told because they are Catholic, but the Catholic leadership has been off target before.

The Vatican this week attacked America’s nuns for spending too much time working to help the poor and fight poverty, and not spending enough time attacking same-sex marriage. The criticism, considered formal disciplinary action against  the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR), which represents over 55,000 nuns in the United States, also labeled as “grave and a matter of serious concern,” that the nuns are not sufficiently denouncing abortion, Obamacare, and women’s ordination.

“The directive, which follows a two-year investigation by Rome, also comes as the Vatican appeared ready to welcome a controversial right-wing splinter group of Catholic traditionalists back into the fold, possibly by giving the group a special status so that they can continue to espouse their old-line rites and beliefs,” The Washington Post reports


Quoting soonergirl980:


Well considering this Pope is known in his country as a huge supporter of the poor and the fact the article posted has nothing to do with the poor I think your comment is way off base. I was refering to the birth control and the church's stance on homosexuality.

Quoting NWP:

It does seem that now days helping the poor is considered a liberal idea.

Quoting soonergirl980:

I don't understand the expectation of people that the Pope who is the head of the Catholic Church arguably a very conservative religion would change its doctrine for social liberal ideas.










NWP
by guerrilla girl on Apr. 15, 2013 at 8:19 PM
You do understand what redirect means? The nuns have a stated mission they have been doing for 40 years. They are educated and biblical scholars in their own right.
That said, I understand from your previous posts your problem with them. This is a political issue more than one of faith.


Quoting 12hellokitty:


I didn't see anything from the Vatican telling the sisters to stop serving the poor.  


Quoting NWP:

As I stated below, with a link, the sisters were instructed to redirect their mission with the poor to instead focus on protesting politics.

They refused.

Good for them.

That said, it is pretty clear example that helping the poor is a good way to be labeled a radical on the left of center by conservatives.

Quoting 12hellokitty:


   The sisters were not instructed to stop helping the poor.  They were instructed to stop teaching radical feminism.


Quoting NWP:

I have been following this story for a couple of years now, long before this pope. The nuns have been doing the same thing they have been doing for the past 40 years.

The previous pope instructed the American nuns to redirect their missions and focus away from their current work of helping the poor to take up the Vatican's current political agenda against gay marriage and choice. The nuns protested and refused to pull resources away from their help with poor communities to take on these political directives, claiming they are doing the work of God through their poverty missions, as directed in the Bible.

It is a fascinating story of should the nuns follow the work and word of the Lord as they themselves are biblical scholars, or the political mission of the man currently in charge of the Vatican. Many articles have been written about it and I have posted several.

Folks have stated that these nuns should do as they are told because they are Catholic, but the Catholic leadership has been off target before.

The Vatican
this week attacked America’s nuns for spending too much time working to
help the poor and fight poverty, and not spending enough time attacking
same-sex marriage. The criticism, considered formal disciplinary action
against  the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR), which
represents over 55,000 nuns in the United States, also labeled as “grave
and a matter of serious concern,” that the nuns are not sufficiently
denouncing abortion, Obamacare, and women’s ordination.


“The directive, which follows a two-year investigation by Rome, also
comes as the Vatican appeared ready to welcome a controversial
right-wing splinter group of Catholic traditionalists back into the
fold, possibly by giving the group a special status so that they can
continue to espouse their old-line rites and beliefs,” The Washington Post reports



Quoting soonergirl980:


Well considering this Pope is known in his country as a huge supporter of the poor and the fact the article posted has nothing to do with the poor I think your comment is way off base. I was refering to the birth control and the church's stance on homosexuality.


Quoting NWP:

It does seem that now days helping the poor is considered a liberal idea.

Quoting soonergirl980:

I don't understand the expectation of people that the Pope who is the head of the Catholic Church arguably a very conservative religion would change its doctrine for social liberal ideas.













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autodidact
by Platinum Member on Apr. 15, 2013 at 8:21 PM

of course he does. 

VeronicaTex
by on Apr. 15, 2013 at 8:32 PM
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Thank you very much!!!!

I am glad to see this Pope is NOT changing the stance of previous Popes to suit the world!!!

Veronica-Roman Catholic

Quoting 12hellokitty:


   The sisters were not instructed to stop helping the poor.  They were instructed to stop teaching radical feminism.

Quoting NWP:

I have been following this story for a couple of years now, long before this pope. The nuns have been doing the same thing they have been doing for the past 40 years.

The previous pope instructed the American nuns to redirect their missions and focus away from their current work of helping the poor to take up the Vatican's current political agenda against gay marriage and choice. The nuns protested and refused to pull resources away from their help with poor communities to take on these political directives, claiming they are doing the work of God through their poverty missions, as directed in the Bible.

It is a fascinating story of should the nuns follow the work and word of the Lord as they themselves are biblical scholars, or the political mission of the man currently in charge of the Vatican. Many articles have been written about it and I have posted several.

Folks have stated that these nuns should do as they are told because they are Catholic, but the Catholic leadership has been off target before.

The Vatican this week attacked America’s nuns for spending too much time working to help the poor and fight poverty, and not spending enough time attacking same-sex marriage. The criticism, considered formal disciplinary action against  the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR), which represents over 55,000 nuns in the United States, also labeled as “grave and a matter of serious concern,” that the nuns are not sufficiently denouncing abortion, Obamacare, and women’s ordination.

“The directive, which follows a two-year investigation by Rome, also comes as the Vatican appeared ready to welcome a controversial right-wing splinter group of Catholic traditionalists back into the fold, possibly by giving the group a special status so that they can continue to espouse their old-line rites and beliefs,” The Washington Post reports


Quoting soonergirl980:


Well considering this Pope is known in his country as a huge supporter of the poor and the fact the article posted has nothing to do with the poor I think your comment is way off base. I was refering to the birth control and the church's stance on homosexuality.

Quoting NWP:

It does seem that now days helping the poor is considered a liberal idea.

Quoting soonergirl980:

I don't understand the expectation of people that the Pope who is the head of the Catholic Church arguably a very conservative religion would change its doctrine for social liberal ideas.








12hellokitty
by Platinum Member on Apr. 15, 2013 at 8:46 PM
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There is very little Catholic regarding the leadership of the LCWR.  And no they don't represent the views of 80% of US women religious.  The numbers of women joining the orders espousing radical feminism are dwindling, while the number of women joining orders faithful to the Magisterium are flourishing.

Quoting NWP:

You do understand what redirect means? The nuns have a stated mission they have been doing for 40 years. They are educated and biblical scholars in their own right.
That said, I understand from your previous posts your problem with them. This is a political issue more than one of faith.



Cutenessmom
by Bronze Member on Apr. 15, 2013 at 9:16 PM
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Same  bullcrap different players...

NWP
by guerrilla girl on Apr. 15, 2013 at 9:35 PM
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I would not describe the number of women joining convents in the U.S. as "flourishing". From my understanding, the number has been declining steeply since the 1960s. Do you have a source?

Quoting 12hellokitty:


There is very little Catholic regarding the leadership of the LCWR.  And no they don't represent the views of 80% of US women religious.  The numbers of women joining the orders espousing radical feminism are dwindling, while the number of women joining orders faithful to the Magisterium are flourishing.

Quoting NWP:

You do understand what redirect means? The nuns have a stated mission they have been doing for 40 years. They are educated and biblical scholars in their own right.
That said, I understand from your previous posts your problem with them. This is a political issue more than one of faith.




Neon Washable Paint

stacymomof2
by Ruby Member on Apr. 15, 2013 at 9:41 PM
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What things are they teaching that are "radical feminism"?  

Radical is a strong word.  

Quoting 12hellokitty:


   The sisters were not instructed to stop helping the poor.  They were instructed to stop teaching radical feminism.

Quoting NWP:

I have been following this story for a couple of years now, long before this pope. The nuns have been doing the same thing they have been doing for the past 40 years.

The previous pope instructed the American nuns to redirect their missions and focus away from their current work of helping the poor to take up the Vatican's current political agenda against gay marriage and choice. The nuns protested and refused to pull resources away from their help with poor communities to take on these political directives, claiming they are doing the work of God through their poverty missions, as directed in the Bible.

It is a fascinating story of should the nuns follow the work and word of the Lord as they themselves are biblical scholars, or the political mission of the man currently in charge of the Vatican. Many articles have been written about it and I have posted several.

Folks have stated that these nuns should do as they are told because they are Catholic, but the Catholic leadership has been off target before.

The Vatican this week attacked America’s nuns for spending too much time working to help the poor and fight poverty, and not spending enough time attacking same-sex marriage. The criticism, considered formal disciplinary action against  the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR), which represents over 55,000 nuns in the United States, also labeled as “grave and a matter of serious concern,” that the nuns are not sufficiently denouncing abortion, Obamacare, and women’s ordination.

“The directive, which follows a two-year investigation by Rome, also comes as the Vatican appeared ready to welcome a controversial right-wing splinter group of Catholic traditionalists back into the fold, possibly by giving the group a special status so that they can continue to espouse their old-line rites and beliefs,” The Washington Post reports


Quoting soonergirl980:


Well considering this Pope is known in his country as a huge supporter of the poor and the fact the article posted has nothing to do with the poor I think your comment is way off base. I was refering to the birth control and the church's stance on homosexuality.

Quoting NWP:

It does seem that now days helping the poor is considered a liberal idea.

Quoting soonergirl980:

I don't understand the expectation of people that the Pope who is the head of the Catholic Church arguably a very conservative religion would change its doctrine for social liberal ideas.








VeronicaTex
by on Apr. 15, 2013 at 10:12 PM
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Radical feminists means they are opposing the Pope and the Magisterium in Rome, amd stepping outside the boundaries of what God wants for women in the Catholic Church.

It may seem very admirable what they are doing in the United States,

especially for the people who support gay marriage and are pro-choice: mainly the secular world, and now members of the Catholic Church.

However, in the Devout Catholic world, this is dispicable.  

Why?

They are rebelling against the order of things, to suit their own agenda and embracing radical feminism.

They aren't just opposing men, but they are directly opposing God, and the Holy Spirit, who directs the Pope on down; the nuns. hiding behind the ministry of serving the poor.

It is very confusing to the person outside of Catholicism, seeing this from the outside, not understanding the inside of the Catholic world.

The Catholic leadership is not off target by any means.

Bravo for the Pope in his stance against these sinful, rebellious women!

Pope Francis is loyal to His Creator.

Veronica-Roman Catholic


Quoting stacymomof2:

What things are they teaching that are "radical feminism"?  

Radical is a strong word.  

Quoting 12hellokitty:


   The sisters were not instructed to stop helping the poor.  They were instructed to stop teaching radical feminism.

Quoting NWP:

I have been following this story for a couple of years now, long before this pope. The nuns have been doing the same thing they have been doing for the past 40 years.

The previous pope instructed the American nuns to redirect their missions and focus away from their current work of helping the poor to take up the Vatican's current political agenda against gay marriage and choice. The nuns protested and refused to pull resources away from their help with poor communities to take on these political directives, claiming they are doing the work of God through their poverty missions, as directed in the Bible.

It is a fascinating story of should the nuns follow the work and word of the Lord as they themselves are biblical scholars, or the political mission of the man currently in charge of the Vatican. Many articles have been written about it and I have posted several.

Folks have stated that these nuns should do as they are told because they are Catholic, but the Catholic leadership has been off target before.

The Vatican this week attacked America’s nuns for spending too much time working to help the poor and fight poverty, and not spending enough time attacking same-sex marriage. The criticism, considered formal disciplinary action against  the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR), which represents over 55,000 nuns in the United States, also labeled as “grave and a matter of serious concern,” that the nuns are not sufficiently denouncing abortion, Obamacare, and women’s ordination.

“The directive, which follows a two-year investigation by Rome, also comes as the Vatican appeared ready to welcome a controversial right-wing splinter group of Catholic traditionalists back into the fold, possibly by giving the group a special status so that they can continue to espouse their old-line rites and beliefs,” The Washington Post reports


Quoting soonergirl980:


Well considering this Pope is known in his country as a huge supporter of the poor and the fact the article posted has nothing to do with the poor I think your comment is way off base. I was refering to the birth control and the church's stance on homosexuality.

Quoting NWP:

It does seem that now days helping the poor is considered a liberal idea.

Quoting soonergirl980:

I don't understand the expectation of people that the Pope who is the head of the Catholic Church arguably a very conservative religion would change its doctrine for social liberal ideas.









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