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Gun control: President Obama’s biggest loss

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Never before had President Barack Obama put the moral force and political muscle of his presidency behind an issue quite this big — and lost quite this badly. The president, shaken to the core by the massacre of 26 innocents at Sandy Hook Elementary School, broke his own informal “Obama Rule” — of never leaning into an issue without a clear path to victory — first by pushing for a massive gun control package no one expected to pass, and then sticking through it even as he retrenched to a relatively modest bipartisan bill mandating national background checks on gun purchases. Continue Reading Text Size - + reset Obama: 'Shameful day in Washington' Why Obama, Congress can't do all Latest on POLITICO Playbook: TIME 100 Rove to Sebelius: 'Nice try' Clinton lauds Boston 'volunteerism' High hopes for energy bill Shuster's road to big money 'Medical mecca' Boston was ready It was a bitter defeat for a president accustomed to winning, a second-term downer that may — or may not — foreshadow the slow decline suffered by so many of his predecessors. Obama seems to have the public behind him, but it illustrated his less-than-Johnsonian powers of personal persuasion, the possible shortcomings of his decision to wait a month after the killings to present a plan and above all the limits of his go-to “outside” strategy of taking his case directly to the American people. (Also on POLITICO: Obama laments "shameful day") More than anything, it was an emotional blow to Obama, who was as irritated at the four members of his own party as he was at the 90 percent of Republicans who defeated the bill. One administration official told POLITICO the White House was especially disappointed with Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D), the only dissenting Democrat not up for re-election next year, who refused to go along with the bill even after White House chief of staff Denis McDonough visited her office to make Obama’s case on Tuesday. (Also on POLITICO: Gun bill hits brick wall in Senate) Still, officials believed Heitkamp would have flipped if they had gotten closer to the 60 votes they needed. “The president was tremendously committed and emotionally engaged. I watched the president with these families. He was there for them and really felt it,” said Sen. Richard Blumenthal, a Connecticut Democrat who worked closely with the White House in the aftermath of the worst school shooting in the history of his state. (Also on POLITICO: Senate gun control roll call vote: Senators who bucked their party) “Background checks will happen,” he added, minutes after the vote. “This outcome is a delay, not a defeat.” Added Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.): “I never saw a president fight so hard, a vice president, never on any issue… It shows us the cowardice of the Senate.” In the end, however, moderates and conservatives in the upper chamber said they simply couldn’t deal with a flurry of progressive issues at once — from gay marriage to immigration to guns. The other three Democratic “no” votes — Max Baucus of Montana, Mark Pryor of Arkansas and Mark Begich of Alaska — were never really in play, sources familiar with the situation told POLITICO. Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/gun-control-vote-obamas-biggest-loss-90244.html#ixzz2QoSQy6UN
by on Apr. 18, 2013 at 7:19 AM
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tooptimistic
by Kelly on Apr. 18, 2013 at 9:32 AM
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I turned on CNN yesterday to see the news from the press conference in Boston.  I instead see Gabby Gifford and a parent from Newton followed by Obama throwing a fit.  I found it a little annoying that he picked a time so close to the scheduled Boston news conference to schedule his press conference to throw a fit.  It seemed very planned and calculated, since he knew so many people would be checking in to see what was going on in Boston.

I am all for background checks.  I not for the President throwing a fit and using victims families as political pawns when he doesn't get his way.  I can imagine my husband going to work and throwing a fit because they decided to use someone elses plan.  He would not have a job.  

  Why doesn't he try working with both sides to get something done instead of throwing a fit when you don't get your way.  I  also think he needs to stop using the Newton families as political pawns.  What happened to them is  horrific, and exploiting them just makes it worse.  How many kids were shot in his hometown just last month alone?  I don't see him parading them around calling for end of the gang violence.

It says so much when Democrats didn't vote for it either.

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Ms.KitKat
by Platinum Member on Apr. 18, 2013 at 9:34 AM
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 when did the 2nd amendment trump the 1st amendment

just because the NRA has more hands in people's pockets does not mean those who believe in gun control will be silenced.

(mind you it is control and not banning) I for one support our US Constitution. I do not pick and choose which are convenient for me.

Quoting Billiejeens:

 

 

Quoting lga1965:

 “This outcome is a delay, not a defeat.” Added Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.): “I never saw a president fight so hard, a vice president, never on any issue… It shows us the cowardice of the Senate.” In the end, however, moderates and conservatives in the upper chamber said they simply couldn’t deal with a flurry of progressive issues at once — from gay marriage to immigration to guns. The other three Democratic “no” votes — Max Baucus of Montana, Mark Pryor of Arkansas and Mark Begich of Alaska — were never really in play, sources familiar with the situation told POLITICO.

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This is true. It's not over yet. My state senators were with the President and I am proud of them. Those of us who care about people more than guns will continue to believe that gun control will become a reality.

4%, you are in the 4% of the country that thinks additional gun control is important - go away.

 

 

talia-mom
by Gold Member on Apr. 18, 2013 at 9:39 AM
How is telling her to go away violating the first amendment?


Quoting Ms.KitKat:

 when did the 2nd amendment trump the 1st amendment


just because the NRA has more hands in people's pockets does not mean those who believe in gun control will be silenced.


(mind you it is control and not banning) I for one support our US Constitution. I do not pick and choose which are convenient for me.


Quoting Billiejeens:


 


 


Quoting lga1965:


 “This outcome is a delay, not a defeat.” Added Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.): “I never saw a president fight so hard, a vice president, never on any issue… It shows us the cowardice of the Senate.” In the end, however, moderates and conservatives in the upper chamber said they simply couldn’t deal with a flurry of progressive issues at once — from gay marriage to immigration to guns. The other three Democratic “no” votes — Max Baucus of Montana, Mark Pryor of Arkansas and Mark Begich of Alaska — were never really in play, sources familiar with the situation told POLITICO.


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This is true. It's not over yet. My state senators were with the President and I am proud of them. Those of us who care about people more than guns will continue to believe that gun control will become a reality.


4%, you are in the 4% of the country that thinks additional gun control is important - go away.


 


 


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Ms.KitKat
by Platinum Member on Apr. 18, 2013 at 9:39 AM

 perhaps because it has been documented and quantified that guns kill people; and it has yet to be quantitfied that illegal voters(if any) have impacted any election.

Quoting talia-mom:

 

Yet asking people for id to vote makes the left whine and scream and cry.

Quoting Donnah118:

I am not really seeing what the issue is. if you want to own a gun you submit to a mandatory extensive background check. What is the big deal here? Makes sense to me.

 

 

 

Ms.KitKat
by Platinum Member on Apr. 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM

 This is not meant to be snarky but you do know what the 1st amendment is.

Quoting talia-mom:

How is telling her to go away violating the first amendment?


Quoting Ms.KitKat:

 when did the 2nd amendment trump the 1st amendment


just because the NRA has more hands in people's pockets does not mean those who believe in gun control will be silenced.


(mind you it is control and not banning) I for one support our US Constitution. I do not pick and choose which are convenient for me.


Quoting Billiejeens:


 


 


Quoting lga1965:


 “This outcome is a delay, not a defeat.” Added Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.): “I never saw a president fight so hard, a vice president, never on any issue… It shows us the cowardice of the Senate.” In the end, however, moderates and conservatives in the upper chamber said they simply couldn’t deal with a flurry of progressive issues at once — from gay marriage to immigration to guns. The other three Democratic “no” votes — Max Baucus of Montana, Mark Pryor of Arkansas and Mark Begich of Alaska — were never really in play, sources familiar with the situation told POLITICO.


****************


This is true. It's not over yet. My state senators were with the President and I am proud of them. Those of us who care about people more than guns will continue to believe that gun control will become a reality.


4%, you are in the 4% of the country that thinks additional gun control is important - go away.


 


 


 

candlegal
by Judy on Apr. 18, 2013 at 9:42 AM
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You insist, seriously, that is pretty funny.  But you only insist on it in others and not from yourself, right?  I would have to say you are the first one that doesn't understand the concept.

Quoting lga1965:

I insist on appropriate and civilzed discussion here. Obviously you and a few others do not understand that concept.

Quoting candlegal:

Are you serious?  Call 1 800 Wah Wah and grow up

Quoting lga1965:

Religious sect ? I'm not religious .

I'm not pushing my views at all but clearly YOU are ...on me...in an inappropriate,harsh manner when you tell me to go away.




Quoting Billiejeens:




Sawry, I forget your capability for discourse sometimes, my bad.



Rephrased - you are in the 4% (that is very small the whole would be 100%) of people that are for additional gun control. You are like a small religious sect trying to push your views onto the rest of us.



While you are welcome and even encouraged to stay and participate in the discussion, I am asking you to not continually push your religious sect views on us.



Quoting lga1965:

So you are saying that if my opinion is different from yours that I have to go away ?
Isn't this a Forum where everyone is allowed to have their own opinions ?
Is it appropriate for you to tell me I have to go away .....and I didn't even address my comment to you personally ?
It really is not fair, not socially acceptable .




Quoting Billiejeens:











Quoting lga1965:




 “This outcome is a delay, not a defeat.” Added Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.): “I never saw a president fight so hard, a vice president, never on any issue… It shows us the cowardice of the Senate.” In the end, however, moderates and conservatives in the upper chamber said they simply couldn’t deal with a flurry of progressive issues at once — from gay marriage to immigration to guns. The other three Democratic “no” votes — Max Baucus of Montana, Mark Pryor of Arkansas and Mark Begich of Alaska — were never really in play, sources familiar with the situation told POLITICO.




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This is true. It's not over yet. My state senators were with the President and I am proud of them. Those of us who care about people more than guns will continue to believe that gun control will become a reality.




4%, you are in the 4% of the country that thinks additional gun control is important - go away.













talia-mom
by Gold Member on Apr. 18, 2013 at 9:44 AM
You are completely being snarky and have no understanding of the first amendment.


Quoting Ms.KitKat:

 This is not meant to be snarky but you do know what the 1st amendment is.


Quoting talia-mom:

How is telling her to go away violating the first amendment?



Quoting Ms.KitKat:


 when did the 2nd amendment trump the 1st amendment



just because the NRA has more hands in people's pockets does not mean those who believe in gun control will be silenced.



(mind you it is control and not banning) I for one support our US Constitution. I do not pick and choose which are convenient for me.



Quoting Billiejeens:



 



 



Quoting lga1965:



 “This outcome is a delay, not a defeat.” Added Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.): “I never saw a president fight so hard, a vice president, never on any issue… It shows us the cowardice of the Senate.” In the end, however, moderates and conservatives in the upper chamber said they simply couldn’t deal with a flurry of progressive issues at once — from gay marriage to immigration to guns. The other three Democratic “no” votes — Max Baucus of Montana, Mark Pryor of Arkansas and Mark Begich of Alaska — were never really in play, sources familiar with the situation told POLITICO.



****************



This is true. It's not over yet. My state senators were with the President and I am proud of them. Those of us who care about people more than guns will continue to believe that gun control will become a reality.



4%, you are in the 4% of the country that thinks additional gun control is important - go away.



 



 



 


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candlegal
by Judy on Apr. 18, 2013 at 9:44 AM
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WE really need to outlaw hammers since they kill more people than guns do.  Now we also need to outlaw pressure cookers and nails.

Why isn't Obama salivating over banning these items?
kaylasmom22
by on Apr. 18, 2013 at 9:48 AM
I personally think no one but law enforcement should have guns. No one knows if that old gray haired lady who bought that gun had a phsycho nephew who will use it like the Sandy Hook tragedy.
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Ms.KitKat
by Platinum Member on Apr. 18, 2013 at 9:51 AM

 

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

 

Those in support of gun control will not "go away."  We've got Rights.

 

Quoting talia-mom:

You are completely being snarky and have no understanding of the first amendment.


Quoting Ms.KitKat:

 This is not meant to be snarky but you do know what the 1st amendment is.


Quoting talia-mom:

How is telling her to go away violating the first amendment?



Quoting Ms.KitKat:


 when did the 2nd amendment trump the 1st amendment



just because the NRA has more hands in people's pockets does not mean those who believe in gun control will be silenced.



(mind you it is control and not banning) I for one support our US Constitution. I do not pick and choose which are convenient for me.



Quoting Billiejeens:



 



 



Quoting lga1965:



 “This outcome is a delay, not a defeat.” Added Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.): “I never saw a president fight so hard, a vice president, never on any issue… It shows us the cowardice of the Senate.” In the end, however, moderates and conservatives in the upper chamber said they simply couldn’t deal with a flurry of progressive issues at once — from gay marriage to immigration to guns. The other three Democratic “no” votes — Max Baucus of Montana, Mark Pryor of Arkansas and Mark Begich of Alaska — were never really in play, sources familiar with the situation told POLITICO.



****************



This is true. It's not over yet. My state senators were with the President and I am proud of them. Those of us who care about people more than guns will continue to believe that gun control will become a reality.



4%, you are in the 4% of the country that thinks additional gun control is important - go away.



 



 



 


 

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