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S/O (kind of) on, Is Islam more dangerous? Why do we need to humanize these terrorists?

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I tend to agree with everything they said here. CBS should be ashamed. 

Ps. I think Amanda Palmer should be exiled or committed, or both. 

by on Apr. 23, 2013 at 1:19 AM
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UpSheRises
by Platinum Member on Apr. 23, 2013 at 3:52 PM
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Quoting lokilover:

 

 

Quoting rfurlongg:

The value in humanizing those we prefer to demonize is that humanizing provides answers. How / why / when did such evil rear its ugly head in this murder / terrorist?

Simply hating them and not learning teaches us very little and helps us even less.

Humanizing does not mean absolving from guilt.

What answers?

 


 

In order to solve the problem...to reach the answer...we need to understand what the problem is. People hurting other people is a human problem.

Ziva65
by Gold Member on Apr. 23, 2013 at 3:53 PM

 

I clicked on various links and heard the song. I have no idea if she's broken/ not broken any laws, I just find it distasteful and disgusting. It's sad as a society when we do condone that sort of behavior.

Quoting autodidact:

where is she doing that? she's broken no laws.

 

Quoting Ziva65:

 I'm no attorney, it just seems to me she (the songwriter/singer) is openly condoning the terrorist acts...do we just people do that in the name of free speech? IDK, I see a problem with it.

 

Quoting autodidact:

 

charged with what, exactly? what about it is dangerous?

Quoting Ziva65:

Hmm. I think to a point it is important to humanize them. People like this  live among us, they blend and adapt. They have a skewed human nature. We need to know that, they aren't just "over there", or some "alternate being". These boys were neighbors, students coworkers- I get what they are saying, but I don't completely agree. I think for many perhaps it may help them not be so trusting of everyone. While it is a very small percent of people, this could be our neighbor, or a peer of one of our children.

I don't think though, that humanizng them should make us any less trusting or make the penalties any less. Certainly not make us empathetic for them.

I also think the idiot who wrote the poem should be charged ; that kind of thinking isn't just dangerous, it's influencial to others who are just as screwed up. She's a singer, songwriter... she's a screwed up as they are with that line of thinking.

I guess I don't watch the news enough, I haven't seen any of those discussions.

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

lokilover
by Bronze Member on Apr. 23, 2013 at 3:54 PM



Quoting UpSheRises:



Quoting lokilover:



Quoting rfurlongg:

The value in humanizing those we prefer to demonize is that humanizing provides answers. How / why / when did such evil rear its ugly head in this murder / terrorist?

Simply hating them and not learning teaches us very little and helps us even less.

Humanizing does not mean absolving from guilt.

What answers?




In order to solve the problem...to reach the answer...we need to understand what the problem is. People hurting other people is a human problem.

This is incredibly non-specific and general. What answers are we trying to reach?


rfurlongg
by on Apr. 23, 2013 at 3:55 PM
If a human was involved, then humanization is necessary. How can understand behaviour if we do not understand the human?

Quoting lokilover:




Quoting rfurlongg:

Well, the questions are very open ended therefore the answers can range wildly. Was this preventable? If so when and at what level? Was any other person / persons involved? If so, what was the level of involement? What were the events surrounding the decision to be destructive? Were their culture norms at play? So on, and so on.



Quoting lokilover:





Quoting rfurlongg:

The value in humanizing those we prefer to demonize is that humanizing provides answers. How / why / when did such evil rear its ugly head in this murder / terrorist?

Simply hating them and not learning teaches us very little and helps us even less.



Humanizing does not mean absolving from guilt.

What answers?




Most of those don't need humanization to be answered. 



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Mommy_of_Riley
by Jes on Apr. 23, 2013 at 3:57 PM
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It's not a "love poem" LOL...
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lokilover
by Bronze Member on Apr. 23, 2013 at 3:59 PM



Quoting rfurlongg:

If a human was involved, then humanization is necessary. How can understand behaviour if we do not understand the human?

Quoting lokilover:




Quoting rfurlongg:

Well, the questions are very open ended therefore the answers can range wildly. Was this preventable? If so when and at what level? Was any other person / persons involved? If so, what was the level of involement? What were the events surrounding the decision to be destructive? Were their culture norms at play? So on, and so on.



Quoting lokilover:





Quoting rfurlongg:

The value in humanizing those we prefer to demonize is that humanizing provides answers. How / why / when did such evil rear its ugly head in this murder / terrorist?

Simply hating them and not learning teaches us very little and helps us even less.



Humanizing does not mean absolving from guilt.

What answers?




Most of those don't need humanization to be answered. 



You can still view someone as a monster and find out if they were working with accomplices and what their plans were.


autodidact
by Platinum Member on Apr. 23, 2013 at 4:00 PM


I fail to see where she's condoning their behavior. or did you mean free speech?

Quoting Ziva65:


I clicked on various links and heard the song. I have no idea if she's broken/ not broken any laws, I just find it distasteful and disgusting. It's sad as a society when we do condone that sort of behavior.

Quoting autodidact:

where is she doing that? she's broken no laws.


Quoting Ziva65:

 I'm no attorney, it just seems to me she (the songwriter/singer) is openly condoning the terrorist acts...do we just people do that in the name of free speech? IDK, I see a problem with it.


Quoting autodidact:


charged with what, exactly? what about it is dangerous?

Quoting Ziva65:

Hmm. I think to a point it is important to humanize them. People like this  live among us, they blend and adapt. They have a skewed human nature. We need to know that, they aren't just "over there", or some "alternate being". These boys were neighbors, students coworkers- I get what they are saying, but I don't completely agree. I think for many perhaps it may help them not be so trusting of everyone. While it is a very small percent of people, this could be our neighbor, or a peer of one of our children.

I don't think though, that humanizng them should make us any less trusting or make the penalties any less. Certainly not make us empathetic for them.

I also think the idiot who wrote the poem should be charged ; that kind of thinking isn't just dangerous, it's influencial to others who are just as screwed up. She's a singer, songwriter... she's a screwed up as they are with that line of thinking.

I guess I don't watch the news enough, I haven't seen any of those discussions.














Mommy_of_Riley
by Jes on Apr. 23, 2013 at 4:00 PM
Well Said.

Quoting jessilin0113:

I think it's important to humanize them.  Call it liberal psychobabble if you like, but there is something to be said about addressing root causes of issues.  Simply writing them off as "evil" ignores some pretty significant realities that can and should be addressed to prevent them from happening again.  That's the same concept behind "those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it".  

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rfurlongg
by on Apr. 23, 2013 at 4:03 PM
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But it is much more than learning their plans or naming their accomplices. It is understanding their motivation, how they perceive and interpret events, how they internalize environmental stimuli. So on.

Once again, humanizing them does not absolving them from guilt.


Quoting lokilover:




Quoting rfurlongg:

If a human was involved, then humanization is necessary. How can understand behaviour if we do not understand the human?



Quoting lokilover:





Quoting rfurlongg:

Well, the questions are very open ended therefore the answers can range wildly. Was this preventable? If so when and at what level? Was any other person / persons involved? If so, what was the level of involement? What were the events surrounding the decision to be destructive? Were their culture norms at play? So on, and so on.





Quoting lokilover:






Quoting rfurlongg:

The value in humanizing those we prefer to demonize is that humanizing provides answers. How / why / when did such evil rear its ugly head in this murder / terrorist?

Simply hating them and not learning teaches us very little and helps us even less.




Humanizing does not mean absolving from guilt.

What answers?





Most of those don't need humanization to be answered. 




You can still view someone as a monster and find out if they were working with accomplices and what their plans were.



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lokilover
by Bronze Member on Apr. 23, 2013 at 4:04 PM



Quoting rfurlongg:

But it is much more than learning their plans or naming their accomplices. It is understanding their motivation, how they perceive and interpret events, how they internalize environmental stimuli. So on.

Once again, humanizing them does not absolving them from guilt.


Quoting lokilover:




Quoting rfurlongg:

If a human was involved, then humanization is necessary. How can understand behaviour if we do not understand the human?



Quoting lokilover:





Quoting rfurlongg:

Well, the questions are very open ended therefore the answers can range wildly. Was this preventable? If so when and at what level? Was any other person / persons involved? If so, what was the level of involement? What were the events surrounding the decision to be destructive? Were their culture norms at play? So on, and so on.





Quoting lokilover:






Quoting rfurlongg:

The value in humanizing those we prefer to demonize is that humanizing provides answers. How / why / when did such evil rear its ugly head in this murder / terrorist?

Simply hating them and not learning teaches us very little and helps us even less.




Humanizing does not mean absolving from guilt.

What answers?





Most of those don't need humanization to be answered. 




You can still view someone as a monster and find out if they were working with accomplices and what their plans were.



We don't already have research on terrorist motivation, psychology, and how they operate? 


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