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Megachurch Pastor Preaches for Women to Submit: 'You're a Nag' Like Chinese Water Torture

Posted by on Apr. 23, 2013 at 6:43 PM
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The founding pastor of a Washington state megachurch on Sunday told female parishioners that God wanted them to submit to their husbands and that they shouldn't be a "nag," likening them to Chinese water torture.

In in a Sunday sermon, Mars Hill Church Pastor Mark Driscoll said that people often misunderstood the Bible's teachings on what it meant for a wife to "submit" to her husband.

"Number one, it does not mean that the wife is less valuable, intelligent, or competent," he explained. "Number two, this does not mean that men, in general, are to be ruling over women in general. It doesn’t mean that. We’re not talking about gender issues; we’re talking about marriage issues."

"This does mean that a wife sets a pattern for others to respect her husband," Driscoll opined. "If the wife disrespects the husband in front of his coworkers, will they respect the husband? No. No. Women who publicly disrespect their husbands encourage others to disrespect their husbands. And this doesn’t mean you don’t disagree with your husband but you do so respectfully, privately."

The pastor added that women who disrespected their husband in front of others put men in a "lose-lose scenario" because "if he doesn’t argue back, he’s being weak."

"Men with men, it’s not like this. You disrespect me, we can talk about that, right? We can actually have a bit of a debate about that."

Driscoll went on to talk about how the book of Proverbs described "certain kinds of women."

"They’re quarrelsome. They’re a nag," he said. "And some women -- you’re a nag. You’re disrespectful. You’re quarrelsome. Being married to you is like a life sentence, and the guy’s just scratching on his wall every day."

"Proverbs talks about certain women—they’re like a dripping faucet. You ever tried to sleep with a dripping faucet? Plunk, plunk, plunk, plunk, plunk. It’s what we use to torture people who are prisoners of war. A wife is like that."

Driscoll concluded his discussion on submission by explaining that the husband-wife relationship was like a police officer writing a ticket to a driver.

"All right, if the police officer pulls you over, you can’t say, 'Hey, we’re equal and you have no right to write me a ticket. In fact, I’m writing you a ticket.' Actually, we’re now going to practice submission, right?"

"Ladies, to respect and submit is to be like Jesus," he advised. "You want to be like Jesus? That’s one of the ways that we learn to be like Jesus."

Earlier this year, Driscoll came under fire from fellow Christian pastors after he tweeted that President Barack Obama did not know God.

"Praying for our president, who today will place his hands on a Bible he does not believe to take an oath to a God he likely does not know," he wrote on inauguration day.

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by on Apr. 23, 2013 at 6:43 PM
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AdrianneHill
by Platinum Member on Apr. 23, 2013 at 7:13 PM
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Douchebag. It's ok for him that women are always in a lose-lose situation. We can't appear to know more or be right even when we are because some other men might laugh at them.
JCB911
by Bronze Member on Apr. 23, 2013 at 10:14 PM
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I read that he thinks we should respect and be respectful to our husbands, especially when in public.  How is that something to argue about. 

He even says, it's ok to disagree - but do it respectfully and privately.

yeah,  I'd say that a wife who is disrespectful to her husband especially in public would be a nag, and that would be like a life sentence.

And to the previous poster - how are women "always" in a lose-lose situation?  How do we lose if our husband looks good in front of his co-workers?  You can know more, you can be right - but really if you're married it shouldn't be about keeping score should it?

katy_kay08
by on Apr. 23, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Oh, this church is really gross and sadly my brother and his wife attend it.  Watching their interaction is enough to make my skin crawl at times.   

This is the same church that believes in public shaming and shunning.  

katy_kay08
by on Apr. 23, 2013 at 10:18 PM

this church isn't simply about being respectful in public.  

He preaches that the man is to lead his wife and if she fails spiritually then the husband has failed.  

They believe in public shaming and call on members to shun/shame people that stray from the path set by the church.  


Quoting JCB911:

I read that he thinks we should respect and be respectful to our husbands, especially when in public.  How is that something to argue about. 

He even says, it's ok to disagree - but do it respectfully and privately.

yeah,  I'd say that a wife who is disrespectful to her husband especially in public would be a nag, and that would be like a life sentence.

And to the previous poster - how are women "always" in a lose-lose situation?  How do we lose if our husband looks good in front of his co-workers?  You can know more, you can be right - but really if you're married it shouldn't be about keeping score should it?


Debmomto2girls
by Platinum Member on Apr. 23, 2013 at 10:18 PM
Oh for fuck's sake.. Where do they douche bags come from?
JCB911
by Bronze Member on Apr. 23, 2013 at 10:19 PM
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I wouldn't want acknowledgment of my superior knowledge to come at the expense of my husband (or kids, parents, friends etc.)  I don't need others to acknowledge my intellect, I know I'm smart, my husband and family know I'm smart - I don't need to correct my husband (or friends/family) when he (they) misspeaks or mis-states something just so others think I'm smart.

Quoting AdrianneHill:

Douchebag. It's ok for him that women are always in a lose-lose situation. We can't appear to know more or be right even when we are because some other men might laugh at them.


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ksueditz
by New Member on Apr. 23, 2013 at 10:19 PM
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but is it okay for a husband to disagree w/ a wife in public? isn't he then a nag also?

JCB911
by Bronze Member on Apr. 23, 2013 at 10:20 PM

I only know about this church what I read in this article.

Quoting katy_kay08:

this church isn't simply about being respectful in public.  

He preaches that the man is to lead his wife and if she fails spiritually then the husband has failed.  

They believe in public shaming and call on members to shun/shame people that stray from the path set by the church.  


Quoting JCB911:

I read that he thinks we should respect and be respectful to our husbands, especially when in public.  How is that something to argue about. 

He even says, it's ok to disagree - but do it respectfully and privately.

yeah,  I'd say that a wife who is disrespectful to her husband especially in public would be a nag, and that would be like a life sentence.

And to the previous poster - how are women "always" in a lose-lose situation?  How do we lose if our husband looks good in front of his co-workers?  You can know more, you can be right - but really if you're married it shouldn't be about keeping score should it?



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JCB911
by Bronze Member on Apr. 23, 2013 at 10:21 PM
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That would be equally disrespectful - but this sermon wasn't about men's role in marriage.


Quoting ksueditz:

but is it okay for a husband to disagree w/ a wife in public? isn't he then a nag also?


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katy_kay08
by on Apr. 23, 2013 at 10:22 PM

You could learn more if you wished.   The information about this cultish church is available.  

My own families experience was enough to solidify my opinion that this isn't simply about being respectful.  

Quoting JCB911:

I only know about this church what I read in this article.

Quoting katy_kay08:

this church isn't simply about being respectful in public.  

He preaches that the man is to lead his wife and if she fails spiritually then the husband has failed.  

They believe in public shaming and call on members to shun/shame people that stray from the path set by the church.  


Quoting JCB911:

I read that he thinks we should respect and be respectful to our husbands, especially when in public.  How is that something to argue about. 

He even says, it's ok to disagree - but do it respectfully and privately.

yeah,  I'd say that a wife who is disrespectful to her husband especially in public would be a nag, and that would be like a life sentence.

And to the previous poster - how are women "always" in a lose-lose situation?  How do we lose if our husband looks good in front of his co-workers?  You can know more, you can be right - but really if you're married it shouldn't be about keeping score should it?




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