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2nd child of couple dies after not seeking medical attention

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A couple serving probation for the 2009 death of their toddler after they turned to prayer instead of a doctor could face new charges now that another son has died.

Herbert and Catherine Schaible belong to a fundamentalist Christian church that believes in faith healing. They lost their 8-month-old son, Brandon, last week after he suffered from diarrhea and breathing problems for at least a week, and stopped eating. Four years ago, another son died from bacterial pneumonia.

Prosecutors said Tuesday that a decision on charges will be made after they get the results of an autopsy.

Catherine Schaible's attorney, Mythri Jayaraman, cautioned against a rush to judgment, and said the couple are good parents deeply distraught over the loss of another child.

"There are way more questions than answers at this point. We haven't seen the autopsy report. We don't know the cause of death of this child," Jayaraman told The Associated Press. "What we do know is Mr. and Mrs. Schaible are distraught, they are grieving, they are tremendously sad about the loss of their most recent baby."

A man who answered the phone at a listing for Herbert Schaible declined to comment and hung up.

A jury convicted the Schaibles of involuntary manslaughter in the January 2009 death of their 2-year-old son, Kent. The boy's symptoms had included coughing, congestion, crankiness and a loss of appetite. His parents said he was eating and drinking until the last day, and they had thought he was getting better.

The Schaibles were sentenced to 10 years' probation.

At a hearing Monday, a judge told the couple they had violated the terms of their probation, noting the Schaibles had told investigators that they prayed to God to make Brandon well instead of seeking medical attention.

"You did that once, and the consequences were tragic," Philadelphia Common Pleas Judge Benjamin Lerner said, according to the Philadelphia Daily News.

Prosecutors on Monday sought to have the couple jailed, but Lerner permitted them to remain free because their seven other children had been placed in foster care.

"He feels they are a danger to their children — not to the community, but to their own children," Assistant District Attorney Joanne Pescatore, who prosecuted the couple in 2010, said Tuesday.

Herbert Schaible, 44, and his 43-year-old wife grew up in the First Century Gospel Church in northeast Philadelphia and have served as teachers there. The church's website has a sermon titled "Healing — From God or Medicine?" that quotes Bible verses purportedly forbidding Christians from visiting doctors or taking medicine.

"It is a definite sin to trust in medical help and pills; and it is real faith to trust on the Name of Jesus for healing," says the message, from last May.

A phone message left with the church on Tuesday was not immediately returned.

The church's pastor said in 2010 that the couple had never received medical care themselves beyond the help of a lay midwife who attends home births.

The Schaibles did take their children for medical checkups as required by their probation, according to Jayaraman, the defense attorney. Jayaraman said that Brandon was checked by a doctor when he was 10 days old, but she did not know whether the child had seen a doctor since.

"Nobody argues that these aren't very loving, nurturing parents," she said Tuesday. "Whether their religion had anything to do with the death of their baby, we don't know."

by on Apr. 23, 2013 at 10:00 PM
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kiriis
by Member on Apr. 23, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Why the fuck were they allowed to keep this baby!?

paknari
by on Apr. 23, 2013 at 11:02 PM
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This kind of stuff always reminds me of a sermon I once heard. These people were in a flood and they ran up to the roof. When they got there they began to pray. As they prayed someone came by in a boat and told them to get in. They said no our faith will save us. Then a helicopter came and told them to get in. Again they said no that they would pray and be fine. They all drowned. When they got to heaven they asked God why He didn't listen to their prayers. He replied that he had listened and sent help multiple times and they had declined.
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SewingMamaLele
by Leanne on Apr. 23, 2013 at 11:14 PM
The thing I don't.get is that you're totally fine with parents willfully killing a child before birth... But a child dying of natural causes is somehow more atrocious?


I'm really thinking on this one... Trying to figure out how I really feel about it.


Quoting lga1965:

 


Quoting SewingMamaLele:

I don't think they should be tried or convicted of anything. Medical care is a choice. Not taking advantage of it shouldn't be criminal. These parents clearly aren't malicious, they just have different beliefs, and as much as I disagree with those beliefs, it's their right to have them.

 You have got to be kidding? They let their child die, then let another one die even when they were advised and on parole for the death of the first one. They were criminally negligent. They shouldn't be allowed to have children ever if they will just let them die. It is not their right to let a child die because of some phony "religious belief". And it is phony. Doctors heal people, not a bunch of prayers.Anyone who "chooses"not to get medical care needs a psychiatrist.

lga1965
by on Apr. 23, 2013 at 11:23 PM

 OMG...natural causes? No, they died of preventable ailments. One child was  dehydrated due to diarrhea....it took days for him to die. It was like torture.  It  could have been cured with an IV.

Natural causes is totally different.

No wonder you are not shocked by what these parents have done. You have NO CLUE. When did you drop out of school? Sixth grade? My grandkids know more than you do.

And we are NOT talking about abortion, you hypocrite.

Quoting SewingMamaLele:

The thing I don't.get is that you're totally fine with parents willfully killing a child before birth... But a child dying of natural causes is somehow more atrocious?


I'm really thinking on this one... Trying to figure out how I really feel about it.


Quoting lga1965:

 


Quoting SewingMamaLele:

I don't think they should be tried or convicted of anything. Medical care is a choice. Not taking advantage of it shouldn't be criminal. These parents clearly aren't malicious, they just have different beliefs, and as much as I disagree with those beliefs, it's their right to have them.

 You have got to be kidding? They let their child die, then let another one die even when they were advised and on parole for the death of the first one. They were criminally negligent. They shouldn't be allowed to have children ever if they will just let them die. It is not their right to let a child die because of some phony "religious belief". And it is phony. Doctors heal people, not a bunch of prayers.Anyone who "chooses"not to get medical care needs a psychiatrist.

 

lga1965
by on Apr. 23, 2013 at 11:26 PM
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 This is PERFECT! It is so true. People shut off their minds and their ability to think rationally and behave like they are programmed. They don't see what is right in front of them. I LOVE this story.

Quoting paknari:

This kind of stuff always reminds me of a sermon I once heard. These people were in a flood and they ran up to the roof. When they got there they began to pray. As they prayed someone came by in a boat and told them to get in. They said no our faith will save us. Then a helicopter came and told them to get in. Again they said no that they would pray and be fine. They all drowned. When they got to heaven they asled God why He didn't listen to their prayers. He replied that he had listened and sent help multiple times and they had declined.

 

bellawomen
by Bronze Member on Apr. 23, 2013 at 11:26 PM
I am just stunned that they were not better supervised with the remaining children or that medical decisions were left to them. Was no one checking on the children? JUST WTF?
paganmommy4
by on Apr. 23, 2013 at 11:29 PM

The bible has ruined peoples judgement. God created doctors right? This, now arkansas banning abortions, making doctors lie to patients.. Country gone insane

LAHnTAH0812
by Bronze Member on Apr. 23, 2013 at 11:29 PM
I think there is a very fine line and I'm not yet sure where they are on it.


Quoting SewingMamaLele:

I don't think they should be tried or convicted of anything. Medical care is a choice. Not taking advantage of it shouldn't be criminal. These parents clearly aren't malicious, they just have different beliefs, and as much as I disagree with those beliefs, it's their right to have them.

grandmab125
by Gold Member on Apr. 23, 2013 at 11:33 PM
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 There you go again, on an uncalled for nasty rant towards another mom.  Why can't you disagree without deteriorating into a witch?

Quoting lga1965:

 OMG...natural causes? No, they died of preventable ailments. One child was  dehydrated due to diarrhea....it took days for him to die. It was like torture.  It  could have been cured with an IV.

Natural causes is totally different.

No wonder you are not shocked by what these parents have done. You have NO CLUE. When did you drop out of school? Sixth grade? My grandkids know more than you do.

And we are NOT talking about abortion, you hypocrite.

Quoting SewingMamaLele:

The thing I don't.get is that you're totally fine with parents willfully killing a child before birth... But a child dying of natural causes is somehow more atrocious?


I'm really thinking on this one... Trying to figure out how I really feel about it.


Quoting lga1965:

 


Quoting SewingMamaLele:

I don't think they should be tried or convicted of anything. Medical care is a choice. Not taking advantage of it shouldn't be criminal. These parents clearly aren't malicious, they just have different beliefs, and as much as I disagree with those beliefs, it's their right to have them.

 You have got to be kidding? They let their child die, then let another one die even when they were advised and on parole for the death of the first one. They were criminally negligent. They shouldn't be allowed to have children ever if they will just let them die. It is not their right to let a child die because of some phony "religious belief". And it is phony. Doctors heal people, not a bunch of prayers.Anyone who "chooses"not to get medical care needs a psychiatrist.

 

 

grandma B

LAHnTAH0812
by Bronze Member on Apr. 23, 2013 at 11:35 PM
Wait... are you saying that parents should be forced to treat their child with western medicine, with no rights to choose what type of healing they agree with, yet they should have the right to choose to kill a child only months younger for any reason whatsoever?

Dafuq?


Quoting paganmommy4:

The bible has ruined peoples judgement. God created doctors right? This, now arkansas banning abortions, making doctors lie to patients.. Country gone insane


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