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Apparently the Boston bomber suspect wasn't armed when he was fired upon

I just read an article that the bomber who holed up in a parked boat was unarmed. Is that even news worthy? He appears to be a legitimate suspect that bombed a public space killing and injuring people. Does it matter that he wasn't armed when he was running from law enforcement?


Although police feared he was heavily armed, the suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings had no firearms when he came under a barrage of police gunfire that struck the boat where he was hiding, according to multiple federal law enforcement officials.

Authorities said they were desperate to capture Dzhokhar Tsarnaev so he could be questioned. The FBI, however, declined to discuss what triggered the gunfire.

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Speaking at the memorial service of slain MIT police officer Sean Collier, who was killed while pursuing the Boston bombing suspects, Vice President Biden praised Collier as "a wonderful kid" and promised, “we will not yield to fear.”

Speaking at the memorial service of slain MIT police officer Sean Collier, who was killed while pursuing the Boston bombing suspects, Vice President Biden praised Collier as "a wonderful kid" and promised, “we will not yield to fear.”

Other law enforcement officials said the shooting may have been prompted by the chaos of the moment and some action that led the officers present to believe Tsarnaev had fired a weapon or was about to detonate explosives.

These new details emerged as investigators continued their examination of the movements and motives of Tsarnaev, 19, and his brother, Tamerlan, in last week’s coordinated bombing, which killed three people and wounded more than 250.

by on Apr. 24, 2013 at 9:51 PM
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Donnah118
by on Apr. 25, 2013 at 8:45 AM

And the FBI, ATF, Boston Police,Watertown Police, Military and the rest of our law enforcement officials are incorrect? Give me a break.They did their jobs. Period.

Quoting Carpy:

Maybe, because she is correct?

Quoting Donnah118:

Ok before I leave this converation and the many like it on this site I would like to point out that I have a cousin in Watertown. My old boss lives in Watertown and a childhood friend of mine has parents who live in Watertown. I would also like to point out that officers were live, on air carrying children from the surrounding homes of the home where the boat was located. How is it that officers in the country stands together united on this but you? Thousands all across the Country, former and current law enforcement came to Boston to pay respects to the murdered MIT officer and yet here you sit correcting us cicvilians. Not interested. Have a nice day.

Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

Let me tell you something about evacuations. Not EVERYONE gets evacuated. The police can only SUGGEST that people leave their homes they cannot FORCE people out by dragging them into the streets. Therefore WE, in law enforcement are supposed to act as if all the homes are occupied. That's SOP.



Even though you're in BOSTON, it's clear that you don't know everything that you think you know so,



Pay closer attention.



Quoting Donnah118:Evacuated. Gee for a bunch of people who know so much you seemed to miss a hell of a lot of the news. Or is it just that those of us in Boston paid closer attention ?



Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:It is absolutely necessary to assume that he is armed and dangerous. With that said, there is a level of force that we go by.

You can't see the suspect, can't tell if he's armed or not and have not been fired upon (assuming) - then the barrage of bullets was wrong. They are lucky that innocent bystanders (if there were any) were not hurt because of the gunfire. Or that one of those rounds didn't go through a window of a house that was occupied.



Quoting Veni.Vidi.Vici.:Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:I am a retired cop as many of you know. I wondered this immediately. If he did not fire first then there's a problem. We are not here to execute. I could see however, a well placed shot to the neck by ONE shooter in the event they thought he was wearing a suicide vest.



But, there's no evidence either way if he was definitively armed or not. Time will tell.His brother died while driving a car they car jacked. One or both of them appeared to be armed during that chase. Is it not prudent to assume that the one that escaped is likely armed and dangerous? Just curious about your thoughts and opinions on the matter.



prommy
by Silver Member on Apr. 25, 2013 at 8:51 AM
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Quoting FromAtoZ:

I would like to know why they fired the way they did.

 


 He was hiding in a boat...they could not see him...he and his brother had already killed innocent people, including a cop...maybe the cops were afraid he had a suicide vest and would blow them all up if they didn't incapacitate him first.

NutHouseMomma
by Silver Member on Apr. 25, 2013 at 8:56 AM
Nothing would surprise me...but I'm not buying it. The media is full of shit, generally . Look at all the bad reporting in recent months.
JoshRachelsMAMA
by JRM on Apr. 25, 2013 at 9:10 AM
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Everyone lives in Watertown except you yet you speak as if you were there watching the play by play. I suppose lil ole you speaks for thousands involved in law enforcement across the country? Yeah, I didn't think so. So glad you're not interested, piss off and have a nice day.

Quoting Donnah118:Ok before I leave this converation and the many like it on this site I would like to point out that I have a cousin in Watertown. My old boss lives in Watertown and a childhood friend of mine has parents who live in Watertown. I would also like to point out that officers were live, on air carrying children from the surrounding homes of the home where the boat was located. How is it that officers in the country stands together united on this but you? Thousands all across the Country, former and current law enforcement came to Boston to pay respects to the murdered MIT officer and yet here you sit correcting us cicvilians. Not interested. Have a nice day.Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:Let me tell you something about evacuations. Not EVERYONE gets evacuated. The police can only SUGGEST that people leave their homes they cannot FORCE people out by dragging them into the streets. Therefore WE, in law enforcement are supposed to act as if all the homes are occupied. That's SOP.

Even though you're in BOSTON, it's clear that you don't know everything that you think you know so,

Pay closer attention.

Quoting Donnah118:Evacuated. Gee for a bunch of people who know so much you seemed to miss a hell of a lot of the news. Or is it just that those of us in Boston paid closer attention ?

Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:It is absolutely necessary to assume that he is armed and dangerous. With that said, there is a level of force that we go by.
You can't see the suspect, can't tell if he's armed or not and have not been fired upon (assuming) - then the barrage of bullets was wrong. They are lucky that innocent bystanders (if there were any) were not hurt because of the gunfire. Or that one of those rounds didn't go through a window of a house that was occupied.

Quoting Veni.Vidi.Vici.:Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:I am a retired cop as many of you know. I wondered this immediately. If he did not fire first then there's a problem. We are not here to execute. I could see however, a well placed shot to the neck by ONE shooter in the event they thought he was wearing a suicide vest.

But, there's no evidence either way if he was definitively armed or not. Time will tell.His brother died while driving a car they car jacked. One or both of them appeared to be armed during that chase. Is it not prudent to assume that the one that escaped is likely armed and dangerous? Just curious about your thoughts and opinions on the matter.
JoshRachelsMAMA
by JRM on Apr. 25, 2013 at 9:18 AM
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I don't think that Tennesee v. Garner would apply here only because he was cornered and could not flee. But, that's just my opinion, I didn't have boots on the ground so that will remain to be seen. It hasn't been reported whether he had access to a weapon while inside the boat. If he didn't, in my opinion they fired first and should not have, and if he did and fired first, then they were justified.

There are hundreds and hundreds of barricade situations that regularly occur between law enforcement and perpetrators without one single shot being fired and where the perp gave himself up. I'm not criticizing the police but I am concerned with the sequence of events appeared to occur in the final moments of the day.

Quoting JeremysMom:What about Tennessee vs. Garner? It wouldn't matter if the police fired first. They had probable cause that if he escaped he would harm someone else.

Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:I am a retired cop as many of you know. I wondered this immediately. If he did not fire first then there's a problem. We are not here to execute. I could see however, a well placed shot to the neck by ONE shooter in the event they thought he was wearing a suicide vest.

But, there's no evidence either way if he was definitively armed or not. Time will tell.
JoshRachelsMAMA
by JRM on Apr. 25, 2013 at 9:21 AM
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Bleh, quit talking out your ass. You seem to think that the GOVERNMENT NEVER makes mistakes. They all acted superbly and coordinated well with one another, that doesn't mean that mistakes were not made.

Quoting Donnah118:

And the FBI, ATF, Boston Police,Watertown Police, Military and the rest of our law enforcement officials are incorrect? Give me a break.They did their jobs. Period.

Quoting Carpy:

Maybe, because she is correct?



Quoting Donnah118:

Ok before I leave this converation and the many like it on this site I would like to point out that I have a cousin in Watertown. My old boss lives in Watertown and a childhood friend of mine has parents who live in Watertown. I would also like to point out that officers were live, on air carrying children from the surrounding homes of the home where the boat was located. How is it that officers in the country stands together united on this but you? Thousands all across the Country, former and current law enforcement came to Boston to pay respects to the murdered MIT officer and yet here you sit correcting us cicvilians. Not interested. Have a nice day.

Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

Let me tell you something about evacuations. Not EVERYONE gets evacuated. The police can only SUGGEST that people leave their homes they cannot FORCE people out by dragging them into the streets. Therefore WE, in law enforcement are supposed to act as if all the homes are occupied. That's SOP.





Even though you're in BOSTON, it's clear that you don't know everything that you think you know so,





Pay closer attention.





Quoting Donnah118:Evacuated. Gee for a bunch of people who know so much you seemed to miss a hell of a lot of the news. Or is it just that those of us in Boston paid closer attention ?





Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:It is absolutely necessary to assume that he is armed and dangerous. With that said, there is a level of force that we go by.


You can't see the suspect, can't tell if he's armed or not and have not been fired upon (assuming) - then the barrage of bullets was wrong. They are lucky that innocent bystanders (if there were any) were not hurt because of the gunfire. Or that one of those rounds didn't go through a window of a house that was occupied.





Quoting Veni.Vidi.Vici.:Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:I am a retired cop as many of you know. I wondered this immediately. If he did not fire first then there's a problem. We are not here to execute. I could see however, a well placed shot to the neck by ONE shooter in the event they thought he was wearing a suicide vest.





But, there's no evidence either way if he was definitively armed or not. Time will tell.His brother died while driving a car they car jacked. One or both of them appeared to be armed during that chase. Is it not prudent to assume that the one that escaped is likely armed and dangerous? Just curious about your thoughts and opinions on the matter.



Donnah118
by on Apr. 25, 2013 at 9:22 AM

Well lilole you speaks like more like a former security guard rather than someone in law enforcement who can recognize the successful capture of a terrorist.I live in Boston, Couldn't go to work. DD couldn't go to school. Told to stay in our homes. Everything was shut down even the damn post office.Pretty scary shit. My dd asking if we were safe. I was ESTATIC when he was caught and relieved. So yeah, you piss off.

Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

Everyone lives in Watertown except you yet you speak as if you were there watching the play by play. I suppose lil ole you speaks for thousands involved in law enforcement across the country? Yeah, I didn't think so. So glad you're not interested, piss off and have a nice day.

Quoting Donnah118:Ok before I leave this converation and the many like it on this site I would like to point out that I have a cousin in Watertown. My old boss lives in Watertown and a childhood friend of mine has parents who live in Watertown. I would also like to point out that officers were live, on air carrying children from the surrounding homes of the home where the boat was located. How is it that officers in the country stands together united on this but you? Thousands all across the Country, former and current law enforcement came to Boston to pay respects to the murdered MIT officer and yet here you sit correcting us cicvilians. Not interested. Have a nice day.Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:Let me tell you something about evacuations. Not EVERYONE gets evacuated. The police can only SUGGEST that people leave their homes they cannot FORCE people out by dragging them into the streets. Therefore WE, in law enforcement are supposed to act as if all the homes are occupied. That's SOP.

Even though you're in BOSTON, it's clear that you don't know everything that you think you know so,

Pay closer attention.

Quoting Donnah118:Evacuated. Gee for a bunch of people who know so much you seemed to miss a hell of a lot of the news. Or is it just that those of us in Boston paid closer attention ?

Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:It is absolutely necessary to assume that he is armed and dangerous. With that said, there is a level of force that we go by.
You can't see the suspect, can't tell if he's armed or not and have not been fired upon (assuming) - then the barrage of bullets was wrong. They are lucky that innocent bystanders (if there were any) were not hurt because of the gunfire. Or that one of those rounds didn't go through a window of a house that was occupied.

Quoting Veni.Vidi.Vici.:Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:I am a retired cop as many of you know. I wondered this immediately. If he did not fire first then there's a problem. We are not here to execute. I could see however, a well placed shot to the neck by ONE shooter in the event they thought he was wearing a suicide vest.

But, there's no evidence either way if he was definitively armed or not. Time will tell.His brother died while driving a car they car jacked. One or both of them appeared to be armed during that chase. Is it not prudent to assume that the one that escaped is likely armed and dangerous? Just curious about your thoughts and opinions on the matter.


fireangel5
by Gold Member on Apr. 25, 2013 at 9:25 AM
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If you look at the last video, it looks as if he moves his hand towards his head/face, then his head slumps as if he shot himself  Around the 2:54 mark or so

http://gizmodo.com/5995153/the-crazy-accurate-thermal-images-that-saw-dzokhar-tsarnaev-through-a-boat-tarp

JoshRachelsMAMA
by JRM on Apr. 25, 2013 at 9:25 AM
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Good point.

Quoting Madammeke:

It may not be relevant for us but it is for the investigation. They need to know exactly what took place and why? We need to know what made them change their opinion, what brought them to this point. What can we do as a society to prevant this from happening again.

If he shot himself or he was shot by cops is not a weighing point for his conviction.

lilbit53009
by on Apr. 25, 2013 at 9:26 AM

i dunno...the more stuff that comes out about this the shadier the investigation looks

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