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Can someone tell me what things make up a "liberal".

Posted by on Apr. 26, 2013 at 12:01 AM
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by on Apr. 26, 2013 at 12:01 AM
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Generica
by on Apr. 26, 2013 at 12:24 AM

No I'm not kidding.


SewingMamaLele
by Leanne on Apr. 26, 2013 at 12:43 AM
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Well, it's a broad term, but generally pro choice, environmentalist, pro union, in favor of higher taxes and taxing the wealthier Americans in order to pay for more and wider sweeping social programs. In favor of greater regulation on businesses.... That should be a start! :)
Clairwil
by Ruby Member on Apr. 26, 2013 at 12:47 AM
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"Liberal" comes from the Latin adjective "liberalis" which means "Of or pertaining to freedom".

Liberalism, as a philosophical philosophy, developed during the Age of Enlightenment, as a contrast to monarchy and societies where not everyone was equal because there were nobles at one end  (with additional rights) and slaves at the other end (with fewer rights).

Liberal democracy is the form of government in which representative democracy operates under the principles of liberalism. It is characterized by fair, free, and competitive elections between multiple distinct political parties, a separation of powers into different branches of government, the rule of law in everyday life as part of an open society, and the protection of human rights and civil liberties for all persons. To define the system in practice, liberal democracies often draw upon a constitution, either formally written or uncodified, to delineate the powers of government and enshrine the social contract.   Liberals support capitalism (not necessarily Laissez-faire capitalism, but at least some private ownership of the means of production and the creation of goods or services for profit), and a free press.

Liberalism is the most successful political philosophy ever developed, and vast majority of the Earth's most successful countries are liberal.   They include: Australia, Brazil, Canada, Denmark, Finland, Germany, India, Israel, Japan, South Korea, Mexico, Norway, Peru, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Britain and, yes, The United States of America.


So why the confusion?   Why do many now use "Liberal" as an insult?

The Liberal Mindset, of freedom and equality, is a broad one, with room for quite a bit of variance within its bounds.   There are two main strands:

I think the confusion in America is due to the right forgetting that they count as Liberals too, and leaving the word solely to refer to social liberals.

amsp259
by on Apr. 26, 2013 at 1:05 AM
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Large government, high High taxes!!! Less privacy!! More killings over seas!!! More drones Obama has doubled down on than bush could ever dream. Less freedom!!! Oh and Internet taxes! Just look at liberal states run by liberals, Detroit, California, Illinois, Vermont .,,,, all either bankrupt or completely corrupt and other states with a surplus are fitting the bill!
Clairwil
by Ruby Member on Apr. 26, 2013 at 1:06 AM
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Quoting SewingMamaLele:

Well, it's a broad term, but generally pro choice, environmentalist, pro union, in favor of higher taxes and taxing the wealthier Americans in order to pay for more and wider sweeping social programs. In favor of greater regulation on businesses.... That should be a start! :)

Some of those are core to social liberalism, and some are incidental.  If you look at the international context, you can see which values came first and are shared with social liberal movements in other countries, and which are peculiar to social liberalism in the USA.

It started in Britain.  In the late nineteenth century and early twentieth century, a group of British thinkers, known as the New Liberals, made a case against laissez-faire classical liberalism and argued in favor of state intervention in social, economic, and cultural life. The New Liberals saw individual liberty as something achievable only under favorable social and economic circumstances. In their view, the poverty, squalor, and ignorance in which many people lived made it impossible for freedom and individuality to flourish. New Liberals believed that these conditions could be ameliorated only through collective action coordinated by a strong, welfare-oriented, and interventionist state.

By 1906, the old system of charity—relying on the Poor laws and supplemented by private charity, public co-operatives, and private insurance companies—was in crisis.  The Liberal Party in Britain introduced initiatives which became known as the Liberal reforms. The main elements included pensions for poor elderly people, health, sickness, and unemployment insurance based on earlier programs in Germany, and the establishment of labour exchanges. These changes were accompanied by progressive taxation.


In America, because of the Liberal coalition requried to get the 'Great Society' reforms passed, it got linked in with civil rights.

(ty wikipedia)

thorntonwife
by on Apr. 26, 2013 at 1:07 AM
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How about you let a liberal define it, since you clearly are not.

Quoting amsp259:

Large government, high High taxes!!! Less privacy!! More killings over seas!!! More drones Obama has doubled down on than bush could ever dream. Less freedom!!! Oh and Internet taxes! Just look at liberal states run by liberals, Detroit, California, Illinois, Vermont .,,,, all either bankrupt or completely corrupt and other states with a surplus are fitting the bill!
amsp259
by on Apr. 26, 2013 at 1:08 AM
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Liberals where not in favor of slavery to end. The rebublicans were the ones ie Lincoln who freed the slaves...,,,,, the NRA gave guns to the slaves to fight the KKK! MLK was a rebublican...
amsp259
by on Apr. 26, 2013 at 1:10 AM
Quoting thorntonwife:



Well it is called TRUTH! Can not argue
stringtheory
by Gold Member on Apr. 26, 2013 at 1:12 AM
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You are confusing political parties with ideology. Republicans have not always been the conservative party.

Quoting amsp259:

Liberals where not in favor of slavery to end. The rebublicans were the ones ie Lincoln who freed the slaves...,,,,, the NRA gave guns to the slaves to fight the KKK! MLK was a rebublican...
Clairwil
by Ruby Member on Apr. 26, 2013 at 1:14 AM
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Quoting amsp259:

Large government, high High taxes!!! Less privacy!! More killings over seas!!! More drones Obama has doubled down on than bush could ever dream. Less freedom!!! Oh and Internet taxes!

If you're trying to be witty, Bierce did it better:

Conservative:

(n.) A statesman  who is enamoured of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others.


If you weren't, the failure is even worse.


liberal (adj.) Look up 
liberal at Dictionary.com
mid-14c., "generous," also, late 14c., "selfless; noble, nobly born; abundant," and, early 15c., in a bad sense "extravagant, unrestrained," from Old French liberal "befitting free men, noble, generous, willing, zealous" (12c.), from Latin liberalis "noble, gracious, munificent, generous," literally "of freedom, pertaining to or befitting a free man," from liber "free, unrestricted, unimpeded; unbridled, unchecked, licentious," from PIE *leudh-ero- (cf. Greek eleutheros "free"), probably originally "belonging to the people" (though the precise semantic development is obscure), and a suffixed form of the base *leudh- "people" (cf. Old Church Slavonic ljudu, Lithuanian liaudis, Old English leod, German Leute "nation, people;" Old High German liut "person, people") but literally "to mount up, to grow."

With the meaning "free from restraint in speech or action," liberal was used 16c.-17c. as a term of reproach. It revived in a positive sense in the Enlightenment, with a meaning "free from prejudice, tolerant," which emerged 1776-88.

In reference to education, explained by Fowler as "the education designed for a gentleman (Latin liber a free man) & ... opposed on the one hand to technical or professional or any special training, & on the other to education that stops short before manhood is reached" (cf. liberal arts). Purely in reference to political opinion, "tending in favor of freedom and democracy" it dates from c.1801, from French libéral, originally applied in English by its opponents (often in French form and with suggestions of foreign lawlessness) to the party favorable to individual political freedoms. But also (especially in U.S. politics) tending to mean "favorable to government action to effect social change," which seems at times to draw more from the religious sense of "free from prejudice in favor of traditional opinions and established institutions" (and thus open to new ideas and plans of reform), which dates from 1823.

(source: an online etymological dictionary: etymonline.com)
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