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Prove that God doesn't exist.

Prove that science is infallible.

Prove that we evolved from other primates while those primates still exist in animal form.

Prove that the human race evolved from lower life forms even though realistic ancient art shows we have not changed for 10's of thousands of years (i.e. frescoes uncovered from Pompeii, or Egyptian art from the kingdom of Ahknaten).

Or better yet, that mummies and other remains found show we haven't changed either.

Tell me what you saw when you witnessed the moment of creation.

 ETA:  God is described as a superior being, the creator of the universe. If you say there is no God, that God did not create the universe, then you yourselves would have to be gods to know this. You can argue that you have seen no evidence of God, which does not discount that other's have; however, you can still say you don't believe...but you can never say God does not exist and have that be a true statement, because you are not omnisicent. In truth, if you do not believe in God, you can only say you don't feel that He exists - you can not, without a doubt, with certainty, nor definitively say that there is no God. Nor can you likewise dispute how this world and it's inhabitants came into being, and in their current state. Not unless you could prove you were there at the time of creation and to consciously, truthfully testify what actually happened.

Furthermore, due to the fallability of humans, and that science was created /employed by humans, science is imperfect. In regard to the theory of evolution, which directly goes against what would be a literal understanding of creation in the Bible, you could never say that evolution is a superior theory about creation versus Creationism. You could never say evolution is right and Creationism is wrong. You would also have to have been present at the time of creation to assert this as definitive truth.

For this reason, no one can ever say there is no God, and no one can ever say that God did not create Adam out of the earth.

 

by on Apr. 28, 2013 at 10:35 PM
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momtoscott
by Platinum Member on May. 23, 2013 at 5:35 PM

I don't think people are dumb because they believe in Jesus.  I know lots and lots of highly intelligent Christians.  My dad is one.  There are a lot of extremely intelligent Christians on this board, as well as those of other or no faith.  Many have written long and thoughtful answers to the points you have posed.    

    

Quoting buttersworth:


No I'm actually NOT Harvard educated and i'm pretty dumb because I believe in Jesus. Or so you are pretty much saying.

Quoting momtoscott:

I'm hoping you have the reasoning and reading skills to figure it out.  

Quoting buttersworth:

 Really? Who is it?

Quoting momtoscott:


Community college girl is kicking your ass in this thread, "Harvard educated" or not.   

Quoting buttersworth:



In other words, it's hard for you to believe I'm a Harvard educated person from an erudite family in the northeast. But go on, go  on ....and on...and on...

Can we go now?








buttersworth
by Silver Member on May. 23, 2013 at 5:42 PM

 

Well I must admit I'm really surprised to hear you say this.

Quoting momtoscott:

I don't think people are dumb because they believe in Jesus.  I know lots and lots of highly intelligent Christians.  My dad is one.  There are a lot of extremely intelligent Christians on this board, as well as those of other or no faith.  Many have written long and thoughtful answers to the points you have posed.    

    

Quoting buttersworth:

 

No I'm actually NOT Harvard educated and i'm pretty dumb because I believe in Jesus. Or so you are pretty much saying.

Quoting momtoscott:

I'm hoping you have the reasoning and reading skills to figure it out.  

Quoting buttersworth:

 Really? Who is it?

Quoting momtoscott:

 

Community college girl is kicking your ass in this thread, "Harvard educated" or not.   

Quoting buttersworth:

 

 

In other words, it's hard for you to believe I'm a Harvard educated person from an erudite family in the northeast. But go on, go  on ....and on...and on...

Can we go now?

 

 

 


 

 



 

SlightlyPerfect
by Silver Member on May. 24, 2013 at 8:01 AM

If you say there is no God, that God did not create the universe, then you yourselves would have to be gods to know this.

Do you need to be a god to be able to say that elves, fairies, and Thor don't exist?

slightlyperfect

Clairwil
by Ruby Member on Jul. 20, 2013 at 7:46 AM
Quoting Clairwil:
Quoting littlemoments99:

When I am challenged I answer the question. I have seen die hard athiests become Christians by talking to someone who knows the Bible very well and science and can aruge well. If you actually were to sit down with an open mind and listen to someone who explains how they know God exists, how they know the Bible is true, how science supports the Bible, etc. I have no doubts that you would at least think twice before denying God's existance.

I'm always open to learning something new, as long as I'm not asked to compromise my standards of validity (ie accept as reliable a method that has a track record of frequently producing incorrect conclusions).

How do you know God exists?  And, given you think there is reliable evidence out there pointing to the existence of God, how do you then explain why there is so little agreement around the world on the nature of God?

*BUMP*

mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Jul. 20, 2013 at 9:15 AM
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Quoting buttersworth:

Prove that God doesn't exist.

Prove that science is infallible.

Prove that we evolved from other primates while those primates still exist in animal form.

Prove that the human race evolved from lower life forms even though realistic ancient art shows we have not changed for 10's of thousands of years (i.e. frescoes uncovered from Pompeii, or Egyptian art from the kingdom of Ahknaten).

Or better yet, that mummies and other remains found show we haven't changed either.

Tell me what you saw when you witnessed the moment of creation.

 ETA:  God is described as a superior being, the creator of the universe. If you say there is no God, that God did not create the universe, then you yourselves would have to be gods to know this. You can argue that you have seen no evidence of God, which does not discount that other's have; however, you can still say you don't believe...but you can never say God does not exist and have that be a true statement, because you are not omnisicent. In truth, if you do not believe in God, you can only say you don't feel that He exists - you can not, without a doubt, with certainty, nor definitively say that there is no God. Nor can you likewise dispute how this world and it's inhabitants came into being, and in their current state. Not unless you could prove you were there at the time of creation and to consciously, truthfully testify what actually happened.

Furthermore, due to the fallability of humans, and that science was created /employed by humans, science is imperfect. In regard to the theory of evolution, which directly goes against what would be a literal understanding of creation in the Bible, you could never say that evolution is a superior theory about creation versus Creationism. You could never say evolution is right and Creationism is wrong. You would also have to have been present at the time of creation to assert this as definitive truth.

For this reason, no one can ever say there is no God, and no one can ever say that God did not create Adam out of the earth.

PS - I'm NOT Harvard educated or from an erudite family (referring to one response to someone), however I am educated. I meant that tongue in cheek. I'm a firm believer that intelligence has very little to do with formal education. I know people who are ivy league educated, people with their masters, and it's not a big deal. But that is to say, "Christians" don't fit into this stereotype.

I'm a firm believer that intelligence has very little to do with formal education - I firmly believe the above statement is only said by uneducated people trying to make themselves feel better about themselves.

 

mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Jul. 20, 2013 at 9:16 AM

 Many believe that divine energy lives within them.


Quoting SlightlyPerfect:

If you say there is no God, that God did not create the universe, then you yourselves would have to be gods to know this.

Do you need to be a god to be able to say that elves, fairies, and Thor don't exist?


 

SlightlyPerfect
by Silver Member on Jul. 20, 2013 at 9:35 AM
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People can believe anything they like. Doesn't mean what they believe is actually, empirically real.

The fact is the OP seems to think we need some sort of omniscience in order to claim Santa doesn't exist, which is just intellectually bankrupt.

Quoting mikiemom:

 Many believe that divine energy lives within them.


Quoting SlightlyPerfect:

If you say there is no God, that God did not create the universe, then you yourselves would have to be gods to know this.

Do you need to be a god to be able to say that elves, fairies, and Thor don't exist?





doomshroom
by Bronze Member on Jul. 20, 2013 at 11:23 AM
Truth is, everyone has their reasons for believing what they believe. When it comes to philosophy, reality is perception.

No one has the authority on truth. We all choose to believe what we want, and we all believe that our reasons are sufficient.

You fault nonbelievers for believing what they are told by others, namely, scientists. What makes your sources any more credible? You too simply believe what you have been told by others. You can say that science is full of holes, and imperfect, but you must also admit that Creationism and theories of gods are full of holes as well. You choose to believe in one explanation. We choose to believe in another.


doomshroom
by Bronze Member on Jul. 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM
" ...but you can never say God does not exist and have that be a true statement, because you are not omnisicent. In truth, if you do not believe in God, you can only say you don't feel that He exists - you can not, without a doubt, with certainty, nor definitively say that there is no God. Nor can you likewise dispute how this world and it's inhabitants came into being, and in their current state. Not unless you could prove you were there at the time of creation and to consciously, truthfully testify what actually happened."

you do realize that all of this applies to you as well, right?

You cannot, without a doubt, with certainty, definitively say, that there IS a God. You are not omniscient. If we would have to be Gods ourselves to know with certainty that God does not exist, so would you, to know with certainty that he does. If you believe in God, You can only say that you feel that he exists. If no one can ever say that there is no God, then no one can ever say that there IS.
caito
by Silver Member on Jul. 20, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Oh look, this is still going :D

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