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Topless in the Country of Hijab?

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'Muslim women against FEMEN' - we got a letter with this title after our worldwide demonstration Topless Jihad to support the Tunisian feminist Amina Tyler and the freedom of Arab women everywhere. I asked myself who are the authors of the letter? FEMEN is a movement with history, with ideology, a manifesto and clear activity. The letter is obviously written not in feminist rhetoric at all, they are making accusations of racism.

Being born in post USSR country (Ukraine) I know exactly that it's a common trait of dictatorial countries to promote the official position of the government pretending that it's backed by the people.

I don't deny the fact that there Muslim women who will say they are free and the hijab is their choice and right.

For example, like this sweet lady:

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by on Apr. 29, 2013 at 7:50 PM
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annabl1970
by Platinum Member on Apr. 29, 2013 at 8:26 PM

 Hmm you mean vote according their religious beliefs?

Quoting AlekD:

I am for people being free to practice their religion in public and vote according to their beliefs.

Quoting annabl1970:

Explain:)


So you for theocracy?


Quoting AlekD:

Not in a million years, honey.


Quoting annabl1970:


 YEP, basically this:



a world with religions that are only in your houses or churches and don't appear in other places.




 



Quoting AlekD:

So basically, your answer to religious extremeism and terrorism is to enforce dont ask, dont tell on all the religious people in the world (thats 84% of the world population) because atheists (16% of the world population) think that our deepest held belief is a "fantasy?"





Quoting annabl1970:



"Often, before going to sleep I dream about a world with religions that are only in your houses or churches and don't appear in other places. And do you know what I see? I see the world without Serbs, Croats and Muslims being massacred, without 9/11, without witch-hunts, without 7/7, a world without suicide bombers and without the Taliban, without Israeli/Palestinian wars, without persecution of Jews as 'Christ-killers', without Nothern Ireland troubles, without Crusades, a world where are no public beheadings of blasphemers and no flogging of female skin for the crime of showing an inch of it."




bravo Irina!!!



 



 


 


 


 

Anonopotamus
by on Apr. 29, 2013 at 8:27 PM
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She was threatened by a single lunatic, practicing his newfound freedom of disgusting speech.

The government hasn't bothered her, nor have the people. Stoning is illegal in Tunisia. It would fall under murder. Tunisian law is based on the French legal system, not the all mysterious "sharia".


She actually made several appearances on Tunisian national television, without issue.


Quoting annabl1970:

 


Topless Tunisian Activist Amina Tyler was treatned with death by stoning  for half-nude pictures. That what Femen was addressing BTW



 


Quoting Anonopotamus:

Until the revolution hijab was illegal in public in Tunisia, polygamy is also illegal in Tunisia, even still with a Muslim majority government.

Femen would look less idiotic in this circumstance if they knew a thing about the country they are addressing.



 


paganbaby
by Teflon Don on Apr. 29, 2013 at 8:27 PM
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I covered for a few years when I was Wiccan, I loved it. I still do occasionally. And I about died when I found out that so many other pagans were doing it too. I thought I was the only one too LOL!

Quoting AlekD:

I first started covering my head when i was pagan. I thought i was the only one :X *high fives*

Quoting paganbaby:

*Waves hand* I have!

Quoting Aslen:

Ever worn hijab op?



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muslimah
by on Apr. 29, 2013 at 8:27 PM
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Quoting annabl1970:

So, sisters, (I prefer to talk to women anyway, even knowing that behind them are bearded men with knives). You say to us that you are against Femen, but we are here for you and for all of us, as women are the modern slaves and it's never a question of colour of skin.

You say you live the way you want. Being fifth wife in harem the maximum you can be is the favorite wife... Right?

You say we talk about you because we are irritated only by bearded men who pray five times per day. We have enough bearded bastards in our part of the world, the beard of Russian patriarch Kirill (A Russian Orthodox bishop who is the big supporter of Putin) would win a competition of 'holy beards' and some people even say that he is so connected to God he is praying 30 times per day.

Sisters, we don't care how many times your men are praying, but we care a lot what do they do in between. We care a lot about violence and aggression, we care a lot when your fathers, brothers and husbands are raping and killing, when they call to stone your sisters, we care a lot when they burn embassies etc, and all that for Allah!

In our actions the people we are attacking are the ones who are constantly oppressing women, covering them, disrespecting them, raping them, beating them whether they are religious or not. But if they do it in name of religion then we can do nothing but tell them their religion is worth nothing.

We would never talk about Allah or Jesus and other fantasies if those fantasies did not affect human rights. You claim that we bring you our idea from our part of the world and you don't need it. The idea of freedom doesn't have anything to do with nationality or colour of skin. There are no set of human rights for Europeans and other for Arabs or Americans, its universal. And we are going to keep fighting for all of us, for our right for freedom. We are going to fight with you, with Arab women, like Aliaa Elmahdy (Egyptian internet activist), like Amina and I hope like you.

And you can put as many scarves as you want if you are free tomorrow to take it off and to put it back the next day but don't deny millions of your sisters who have fear behind their scarves, don't deny that there are million of your sisters who have been raped and killed because they are not following the wish of Allah! We are here to scream about that.

You say we are Islamophobes, just recently we heard from anti-gay Catholics that we are Christianophobes. Yes, I'm scared of all your religions because all of them are bleeding. I'm an atheist and I cannot say that you are atheistophobe as there is nothing that you can be scared of. You personally have rights to believe in whatever you want, the same as me but until the moment there are no stones, bullets and blood of your religion we are going to fight it.

Often, before going to sleep I dream about a world with religions that are only in your houses or churches and don't appear in other places. And do you know what I see? I see the world without Serbs, Croats and Muslims being massacred, without 9/11, without witch-hunts, without 7/7, a world without suicide bombers and without the Taliban, without Israeli/Palestinian wars, without persecution of Jews as 'Christ-killers', without Nothern Ireland troubles, without Crusades, a world where are no public beheadings of blasphemers and no flogging of female skin for the crime of showing an inch of it.

Good night!

See you on the battle lines!

 I had to stop reading this bull shit as soon as it started talking about "5th in a harem" because that killed a legitimacy of the article. There is no 5th !!!! Only 4 wive are allowed and that is only under special conditions and they don't live in harems.

Each wife must have her own home all of equal value. Everything each wife has must be of equal value including the SEPARATE time spent with her husband. If these demands cannot be met then he is only to have 1 wife and even is on at that he is to provide her with shelter, food, clothing, health, and anything else she requires.

She may work if she so chooses but does not have to. If she chooses to work or has money from family, an inheritance or any other source it is hers and hers alone. Her husband can not ask or expect that she spend a single penny of her own on household expenses or him. Her money is hers to do as she chooses to do with even if she has more than him.

AlekD
by Gold Member on Apr. 29, 2013 at 8:30 PM
Yes.

Quoting annabl1970:

 Hmm you mean vote according their religious beliefs?


Quoting AlekD:

I am for people being free to practice their religion in public and vote according to their beliefs.


Quoting annabl1970:


Explain:)



So you for theocracy?



Quoting AlekD:

Not in a million years, honey.



Quoting annabl1970:



 YEP, basically this:




a world with religions that are only in your houses or churches and don't appear in other places.





 




Quoting AlekD:

So basically, your answer to religious extremeism and terrorism is to enforce dont ask, dont tell on all the religious people in the world (thats 84% of the world population) because atheists (16% of the world population) think that our deepest held belief is a "fantasy?"






Quoting annabl1970:




"Often, before going to sleep I dream about a world with religions that are only in your houses or churches and don't appear in other places. And do you know what I see? I see the world without Serbs, Croats and Muslims being massacred, without 9/11, without witch-hunts, without 7/7, a world without suicide bombers and without the Taliban, without Israeli/Palestinian wars, without persecution of Jews as 'Christ-killers', without Nothern Ireland troubles, without Crusades, a world where are no public beheadings of blasphemers and no flogging of female skin for the crime of showing an inch of it."





bravo Irina!!!




 




 



 



 




 

annabl1970
by Platinum Member on Apr. 29, 2013 at 8:34 PM
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LOL You don't get it.

BTW no one will stone you to death if one day you decide you don't want to be a Catholic.

FEMEN wants all women have the same rights, as you have, to choose for themselves to wear hijab or not,  be devoted muslim or not, or post whatever photos of themselves on-line...

Quoting AlekD:

Claiming to speak on behalf of all women and telling those with different values that they are wrong is the opposite of feminism. Btw.


 

AlekD
by Gold Member on Apr. 29, 2013 at 8:38 PM
Those poor opressed women. :D

Quoting paganbaby:

I covered for a few years when I was Wiccan, I loved it. I still do occasionally. And I about died when I found out that so many other pagans were doing it too. I thought I was the only one too LOL!

Quoting AlekD:

I first started covering my head when i was pagan. I thought i was the only one :X *high fives*



Quoting paganbaby:

*Waves hand* I have!

Quoting Aslen:

Ever worn hijab op?



annabl1970
by Platinum Member on Apr. 29, 2013 at 8:38 PM

 

Hopefully there a few  like you, most of us vote with our brains ...

Quoting AlekD:

Yes.

Quoting annabl1970:

 Hmm you mean vote according their religious beliefs?


Quoting AlekD:

I am for people being free to practice their religion in public and vote according to their beliefs.


Quoting annabl1970:


Explain:)



So you for theocracy?



Quoting AlekD:

Not in a million years, honey.



Quoting annabl1970:



 YEP, basically this:




a world with religions that are only in your houses or churches and don't appear in other places.





 




Quoting AlekD:

So basically, your answer to religious extremeism and terrorism is to enforce dont ask, dont tell on all the religious people in the world (thats 84% of the world population) because atheists (16% of the world population) think that our deepest held belief is a "fantasy?"






Quoting annabl1970:




"Often, before going to sleep I dream about a world with religions that are only in your houses or churches and don't appear in other places. And do you know what I see? I see the world without Serbs, Croats and Muslims being massacred, without 9/11, without witch-hunts, without 7/7, a world without suicide bombers and without the Taliban, without Israeli/Palestinian wars, without persecution of Jews as 'Christ-killers', without Nothern Ireland troubles, without Crusades, a world where are no public beheadings of blasphemers and no flogging of female skin for the crime of showing an inch of it."





bravo Irina!!!




 




 



 



 


 


 


 

Anonopotamus
by on Apr. 29, 2013 at 8:45 PM
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You're atheist, right?

Didn't you just say you would like to force nonreligious vote for government on those who would want to vote religious?

Hypocritical much?

Femen is a group of idiots.


Quoting annabl1970:

 


Hopefully there a few  like you, most of us vote with our brains ...


Quoting AlekD:

Yes.


Quoting annabl1970:


 Hmm you mean vote according their religious beliefs?



Quoting AlekD:

I am for people being free to practice their religion in public and vote according to their beliefs.



Quoting annabl1970:



Explain:)




So you for theocracy?




Quoting AlekD:

Not in a million years, honey.




Quoting annabl1970:




 YEP, basically this:





a world with religions that are only in your houses or churches and don't appear in other places.






 





Quoting AlekD:

So basically, your answer to religious extremeism and terrorism is to enforce dont ask, dont tell on all the religious people in the world (thats 84% of the world population) because atheists (16% of the world population) think that our deepest held belief is a "fantasy?"







Quoting annabl1970:





"Often, before going to sleep I dream about a world with religions that are only in your houses or churches and don't appear in other places. And do you know what I see? I see the world without Serbs, Croats and Muslims being massacred, without 9/11, without witch-hunts, without 7/7, a world without suicide bombers and without the Taliban, without Israeli/Palestinian wars, without persecution of Jews as 'Christ-killers', without Nothern Ireland troubles, without Crusades, a world where are no public beheadings of blasphemers and no flogging of female skin for the crime of showing an inch of it."






bravo Irina!!!





 





 




 




 



 



 




 


AlekD
by Gold Member on Apr. 29, 2013 at 8:45 PM
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You are so right! Hold on a sec, i am just going to go change my values and beliefs real quick, because i have never heard such a thought provoking and compelling argument for atheism before!

I think its....interesting that you are saying that people with different beliefs than yours shouldnt be able to vote according to those beliefs and instead should be forced to keep those beliefs secret and submit to your prefered worldview and yet you accuse me of promoting theocracy.


Quoting annabl1970:

 


Hopefully there a few  like you, most of us vote with our brains ...


Quoting AlekD:

Yes.


Quoting annabl1970:


 Hmm you mean vote according their religious beliefs?



Quoting AlekD:

I am for people being free to practice their religion in public and vote according to their beliefs.



Quoting annabl1970:



Explain:)




So you for theocracy?




Quoting AlekD:

Not in a million years, honey.




Quoting annabl1970:




 YEP, basically this:





a world with religions that are only in your houses or churches and don't appear in other places.






 





Quoting AlekD:

So basically, your answer to religious extremeism and terrorism is to enforce dont ask, dont tell on all the religious people in the world (thats 84% of the world population) because atheists (16% of the world population) think that our deepest held belief is a "fantasy?"







Quoting annabl1970:





"Often, before going to sleep I dream about a world with religions that are only in your houses or churches and don't appear in other places. And do you know what I see? I see the world without Serbs, Croats and Muslims being massacred, without 9/11, without witch-hunts, without 7/7, a world without suicide bombers and without the Taliban, without Israeli/Palestinian wars, without persecution of Jews as 'Christ-killers', without Nothern Ireland troubles, without Crusades, a world where are no public beheadings of blasphemers and no flogging of female skin for the crime of showing an inch of it."






bravo Irina!!!





 





 




 




 



 



 




 

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