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Creationism in School: ACLU vs Hugoton

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On April 22 and 23rd Hugoton Public Schools of south-western Kansas sponsored an in-school assembly called “Dinsosaur Lyceum.”  Designed for middle and high school students, the hour long assembly offered a detailed introduction to Paleontology and Earth Science complete with a mobile museum containing dinosaur skeletons, fossils and other pertinent replicas. On the surface the concept is excellent especially when you consider that rural Hugoton is a 3 hour drive from the nearest natural history museum.

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However, there is one big problem. The program was developed and hosted by The Creation Truth Foundation (CTF), an organization whose purpose is to help bring about “a return to all of realities of Biblical Creation” through education.  According to its mission statement, the non-profit’s goal is to combat what founder Dr. Thomas Sharp repeatedly labels a growing “paganistic” lifestyle in America.  “The West has become Pagan,” he warns, using the term pagan as a synonym for secular.  Together with his colleagues, Dr. Sharp has produced “a host of support materials and services to aid your delivery of a sound science curriculum based in Biblical Creation.”

A week prior to the Hugoton assemblies, the ACLU of Kansas and Western Missouri received a complaint from a concerned Hugoton citizen whose identity has never been publicly revealed. Shortly after, the ACLU’s Legal Director Doug Bonney and Attorney Heather Weaver sent a letter to Superintendent Mark Crawford calling for the immediate cancellation of CTF program.

Based on the review of the website of the Creation Truth Foundation, the ACLU is concerned that these mandatory school assemblies will spread creationism to the Hugoton Public Schools in violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the Unites States Constitution…

We respectfully request that the District take immediate and concrete steps to remedy these problems.  The first step would be to cancel the planned mandatory school assemblies now set for next week.

Despite the ACLU’s strongly worded request, the Board did not cancel the assemblies. CTF arrived in Hugoton that weekend, made some local Church appearances and set up its mobile museum.  On Monday and Tuesday, CTF ran the school assemblies in the morning, and then in the evening opened the auditorium up for public presentations.

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Superintendent Mark Crawford
Hugoton Public Schools

It appears that Superintendant Crawford was undaunted by the ACLU’s threat.  In fact, he fired back telling the Topeka-Capital Journal that, “he had a duty to show his students ‘how to handle a bully.” He also corrected the ACLU saying that the events were not mandatory but not one student or faculty opted out.

The Hugoton controversy has attracted a good-deal of media coverage much to the displeasure of the School Board. Crawford insists that the Board has nothing to hide.  He explains that CTF’s presenter, Matt Miles  was instructed to avoid mention of “creationism or any topics related to the age of the Earth or the Bible, according to district officials”  and has signed a memorandum as such. However, he did confirm that the public evening programs would indeed have Biblically-based content.

Despite his confidence, Crawford refused to allow any non-school personnel into the school day assemblies to verify his account.  As a result, the ACLU remains unconvinced.  Bonney stated, “The opportunity for a constitutional violation is too high because their whole evangelical reason for being is to promote Biblical creationism.”  Now, the ACLU is requesting all communication, documents and CTF materials in order to assess the legality of the situation.  Did the school system violate the Constitution?  The ACLU wrote:

Even if Miles never overtly mentions the Bible or creationism…public schools are not permitted to present students with false information, which the legitimate scientific community has universally rejected, as part of an anti-evolution, pro-creationist effort.

Matt Miles Creation Truth Foundation

Matt Miles
Creation Truth Foundation

Can a Christian missionary – a passionate believer in and teacher of creationism – lecture public school students on dinosaurs without crossing the line?  Yes, it is possible for someone to keep from spewing religious rhetoric in inappropriate situations. I can talk about herbs, for example, without discussing their magickal properties.  However, it is not my personal mission, nor the mission of my employers to teach about herbs. So the question remains: did Matt Miles, a man whose life and career are focused on the promotion of creationism, censor himself?

To date, Hugoton’s Superintendent has done an impeccable job of holding his position with the public.  However, he did make one statement that feeds the cynically-minded.  Of the school assemblies, Crawford remarked,  “… parents and citizens here in this community want their children to also be curious about other viewpoints of creation and origin.”  Did the assembly mention these other viewpoints?

Hugoton is a small close-knit rural town. After scanning online comments from locals, I do believe that Crawford has strong community support.  CTF Pastor Matt Miles himself was in fact a resident of the city at one time. However, whether or not Hugoton citizens believe in creationism is not the point.  The teaching of any Biblical-based concepts violates the establishment clause of the U.S. Constitution. While CTF is perfectly within its right to share its material, its fantastic mobile museum, and its beliefs within the private sector, the organization cannot do so in the public schools.

hugotonschoolFortunately for Kansas and similar states who have been struggling with this issue for decades, America’s public education curriculum is undergoing a national change.  Over the last few years, an organization made up of educators and administrators has created something called the “Common Core Standards. (CCS).”  The goal is to strengthen American education by developing consistency across the country in the basic disciplines of language and math.  Its popularity has led to several independent organizations creating additional “tack on” programs for science, art and world languages.  Individual states can elect to adopt the programs.  To date, Kansas is one of the 45 states* that has indeed adopted the CCC as well as the science program, which, incidentally, teaches evolution and not intelligent design.

I’m personally undecided as to the overall merits of the CCS from an educational standpoint. However, such a program does shift the center of accountability. As such, the new national standards may help to curtail the attempts of these radicals to push religion into the public schools under the pretense of science. CCS won’t stop the extra-curricular activities like the Creation Truth Foundations assemblies.  But it may make it easier for a wolf to be called a wolf no matter what clothes he is wearing.

lt is important for Pagan parents or anyone who supports religious equality in the schools to remain vigilant and to be aware of these smaller religious freedom cases.  I will be watching as the Hugoton situation plays out.

*The five states that have not adopted the CCS are Texas, Alaska, Minnesota, Virginia, and Nebraska.

http://wildhunt.org/2013/04/hugoton.html

by on Apr. 30, 2013 at 1:35 AM
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JoshRachelsMAMA
by JRM on Apr. 30, 2013 at 9:37 AM
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If they cross the line and mention God etcetera, I'm absolutely positive that the schoolchildren themselves will rat them out.

I did laugh at this statement:

"public schools are not permitted to present students with false information"

Now there's a crock right there.


Quoting Clairwil:


Quoting ..MoonShine..:

He explains that CTF’s presenter, Matt Miles  was instructed to avoid mention of “creationism or any topics related to the age of the Earth or the Bible, according to district officials”  and has signed a memorandum as such. However, he did confirm that the public evening programs would indeed have Biblically-based content.

Despite his confidence, Crawford refused to allow any non-school personnel into the school day assemblies to verify his account

Can a Christian missionary – a passionate believer in and teacher of creationism – lecture public school students on dinosaurs without crossing the line?  Yes, it is possible for someone to keep from spewing religious rhetoric in inappropriate situations.

It sounds like the school and presenter have been very careful to not provide any evidence of having crossed the line.

And, as such, they should be given the benefit of the doubt, and treated as innocent.

If, at some point in the future, evidence does turn up that they have crossed the line (and in this day of iPhones, I rate the chances of some pupil videoing one of the secret presentations as fairly high), then they should be nailed to the wall and crucified.  Metaphorically, of course.


marmie41
by Member on Apr. 30, 2013 at 9:37 AM
No need to apologize, but thank you. That is why we have conversation, to clear up misunderstandings. :)


Quoting jessilin0113:

I see. Your first sentence threw me off so i misunderstood your response. Sorry. :)




Quoting marmie41:

I agree that is why I said it did not want my children to learn about creation from a text book but by those qualified, I.e. Church.






Quoting jessilin0113:

That's what church is for.





Quoting marmie41:

I have no problem with both being taught in schools. And I respect the opoinions of those that do have a problem with the teaching of both. Bust as a Chrisitian I want my children to learn about Creattion (which I believe in) by those who are qualified. And not learn about it from a mere 3 pages or paragraphs in some text book.









DestinyHLewis
by Destiny on Apr. 30, 2013 at 9:48 AM


Wow. Just wow. No other words. Wow. Smh

Quoting SuperChicken:

Just one of their instructional videos :)

 


Quoting DestinyHLewis:


Oh Cheese and Rice!!!!! Just crazy. Smh. I wouldn't keep my girls from it, but they'd laugh if someone told them the Earth is only 6000 years old. I was under the impression it was your typical Christian foundation and the issue was that they were hosting the event. I do wonder what goes on in the mind of people who have facts in front of their face and deny it wholly. I'd love to know how they fit the history of everything we know into an neat little 6000 yr box. Wow. 

Quoting SuperChicken:

According to their website and facebook page, yes.  


Quoting DestinyHLewis:


Wait. He's one of those people who think the Earth is only 6000 yrs old??? 

Quoting SuperChicken:

Their issue is what this guy is teaching about dinosaurs.  He's a young earth creationist.  Is he teaching that man and dinosaur roamed the earth together 6000 years ago.  Or is he teaching truth - a truth that goes against his "creation" beliefs.     No one knows because he insist on teaching people's children under a shroud of secrecy.    Seldom does secrecy bode well for truth.


Quoting DestinyHLewis:

So unless I am missing something, they talked dinosaurs, not biblical teachings? Their issue is that a Christian foundation gave the seminar?? Umm okay...













..MoonShine..
by Redwood Witch on Apr. 30, 2013 at 9:54 AM
I mostly agree with you here. However, I have to wonder about what info was presented to the students, considering the stance of this organization, and the fact that they won't share what was presented with any not associated with the school/district.

Quoting Clairwil:


Quoting ..MoonShine..:

He explains that CTF’s presenter, Matt Miles  was instructed to avoid mention of “creationism or any topics related to the age of the Earth or the Bible, according to district officials”  and has signed a memorandum as such. However, he did confirm that the public evening programs would indeed have Biblically-based content.

Despite his confidence, Crawford refused to allow any non-school personnel into the school day assemblies to verify his account

Can a Christian missionary – a passionate believer in and teacher of creationism – lecture public school students on dinosaurs without crossing the line?  Yes, it is possible for someone to keep from spewing religious rhetoric in inappropriate situations.

It sounds like the school and presenter have been very careful to not provide any evidence of having crossed the line.

And, as such, they should be given the benefit of the doubt, and treated as innocent.

If, at some point in the future, evidence does turn up that they have crossed the line (and in this day of iPhones, I rate the chances of some pupil videoing one of the secret presentations as fairly high), then they should be nailed to the wall and crucified.  Metaphorically, of course.


MsDenuninani
by Silver Member on Apr. 30, 2013 at 10:42 AM

For me, the bottom line is this:  


  The teaching of any Biblical-based concepts violates the establishment clause of the U.S. Constitution. While CTF is perfectly within its right to share its material, its fantastic mobile museum, and its beliefs within the private sector, the organization cannot do so in the public schools.

I'm troubled by the lackof transparency by Superintendent Crawford.  His statement quoted gives me pause.  

romalove
by Roma on Apr. 30, 2013 at 2:32 PM
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Quoting ..MoonShine..:

I mostly agree with you here. However, I have to wonder about what info was presented to the students, considering the stance of this organization, and the fact that they won't share what was presented with any not associated with the school/district.

Quoting Clairwil:


Quoting ..MoonShine..:

He explains that CTF’s presenter, Matt Miles  was instructed to avoid mention of “creationism or any topics related to the age of the Earth or the Bible, according to district officials”  and has signed a memorandum as such. However, he did confirm that the public evening programs would indeed have Biblically-based content.

Despite his confidence, Crawford refused to allow any non-school personnel into the school day assemblies to verify his account

Can a Christian missionary – a passionate believer in and teacher of creationism – lecture public school students on dinosaurs without crossing the line?  Yes, it is possible for someone to keep from spewing religious rhetoric in inappropriate situations.

It sounds like the school and presenter have been very careful to not provide any evidence of having crossed the line.

And, as such, they should be given the benefit of the doubt, and treated as innocent.

If, at some point in the future, evidence does turn up that they have crossed the line (and in this day of iPhones, I rate the chances of some pupil videoing one of the secret presentations as fairly high), then they should be nailed to the wall and crucified.  Metaphorically, of course.


I'll add:

What could possibly be educational in their presentation when we'll start with they think dinosaurs and humans coexisted and couldn't have been here more than 6 to 10 thousand years ago?


JTROX
by Gold Member on Apr. 30, 2013 at 4:01 PM

So what did he say to the school?  Was the evening event for the school or the general public?  If it was a general event then it shouldn't be prohibited.

Quoting romalove:


Quoting JTROX:



So... did he speak of religion or is the problem merely that he had a religious background?




From the OP article:

The Hugoton controversy has attracted a good-deal of media coverage much to the displeasure of the School Board. Crawford insists that the Board has nothing to hide.  He explains that CTF’s presenter, Matt Miles  was instructed to avoid mention of “creationism or any topics related to the age of the Earth or the Bible, according to district officials”  and has signed a memorandum as such. However, he did confirm that the public evening programs would indeed have Biblically-based content.


^^^^What I made bigger should answer your question.


illogicalkat
by Bronze Member on Apr. 30, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Creationism isn't theory, it is theology.


Quoting TimetoMomUp:

I am sure I will get bashed for this but I don't understand what is wrong with teaching creationism as a theory.  I would be fine with my kids learning about all major creation theories. 



..MoonShine..
by Redwood Witch on Apr. 30, 2013 at 5:05 PM
They won't tell anyone what was included in the presentation to the school. That's a big part of the problem.

Quoting JTROX:

So what did he say to the school?  Was the evening event for the school or the general public?  If it was a general event then it shouldn't be prohibited.

Quoting romalove:


Quoting JTROX:



So... did he speak of religion or is the problem merely that he had a religious background?




From the OP article:

The Hugoton controversy has attracted a good-deal of media coverage much to the displeasure of the School Board. Crawford insists that the Board has nothing to hide.  He explains that CTF’s presenter, Matt Miles  was instructed to avoid mention of “creationism or any topics related to the age of the Earth or the Bible, according to district officials”  and has signed a memorandum as such. However, he did confirm that the public evening programs would indeed have Biblically-based content.


^^^^What I made bigger should answer your question.


coolmommy2x
by Gold Member on Apr. 30, 2013 at 5:10 PM
I agree with you.

And I agree with the superintendent...parents want their kids to be curious and learn different things but then protest when their kids are given that opportunity. You can't have it both ways.


Quoting Clairwil:


Quoting ..MoonShine..:

He explains that CTF’s presenter, Matt Miles  was instructed to avoid mention of “creationism or any topics related to the age of the Earth or the Bible, according to district officials”  and has signed a memorandum as such. However, he did confirm that the public evening programs would indeed have Biblically-based content.

Despite his confidence, Crawford refused to allow any non-school personnel into the school day assemblies to verify his account

Can a Christian missionary – a passionate believer in and teacher of creationism – lecture public school students on dinosaurs without crossing the line?  Yes, it is possible for someone to keep from spewing religious rhetoric in inappropriate situations.

It sounds like the school and presenter have been very careful to not provide any evidence of having crossed the line.

And, as such, they should be given the benefit of the doubt, and treated as innocent.

If, at some point in the future, evidence does turn up that they have crossed the line (and in this day of iPhones, I rate the chances of some pupil videoing one of the secret presentations as fairly high), then they should be nailed to the wall and crucified.  Metaphorically, of course.


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