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If we kill them as children, then they won't grow up to be gay

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Gay teens starved, tortured, killed at camp to turn them into ‘men’

Game ranger course 'general' is on trial for murder, child abuse, neglect and allegedly forced teen to eat his own faeces
Raymond Buys, seen laying on his death bed in April 2011, was allegedly starved, tortured and killed at a camp to turn him into a 'man'.

Three ‘gay and effeminate’ teens have died after being starved, tortured and killed at a camp that promised to turn them into 'men'.

A picture of Raymond Buys, 15, taken in April 2011 showed a skeletal, emaciated figure fighting for his life.

Just 10 weeks before, the teen’s parents signed him up to the Echo Wild Game Rangers training course in South Africa in perfect health.

In hospital, Buys was severely malnourished, dehydrated, his arm was broken in two places and there were burns and wounds all over his body. He lay in intensive care for four weeks until he died.

And now, the course ‘general’ Alex De Koker, 49, and employee Michael Erasmus, 20, are on trial for charges of murder, child abuse and neglect, along with two cases of assault with intent to do grievous bodily harm in relation to Buys' death.

The teen’s death is alleged to have been the third among the Afrikaans children who attended the R22,000 ($2,400, €1,900) courses, which have been advertized since 2006.

‘I sent my son on this course to make him a better man, to give him a better future,’ Buys’ mother told The Daily Telegraph. ‘I trusted Alex De Koker with his life.’

Last week, the Vereeniging District Court heard the testimony of a boy who had shared a tent with Buys, the Daily Maverick reports.

Gerhard Oostuizen, 19, claims Buys was chained to his bed every night, was refused permission to visit the toilet and on one occasion was forced to eat his own faeces.

He also said he would be beaten with planks, hosepipes and sticks when he failed to carry out manual labor tasks.

Oostuizen alleged further he saw De Koker tied Buys to a chair naked with his head covered in a pillowcase, and would electrocute him with a stun gun.

Gender activist Melanie Nathan has said the three young men were all perceived as ‘gay and clearly effeminate’.

In reference to ‘gay conversion camps’, Nathan writes: â€˜With a little bit of digging [into the story], the gay reparative undertones start to emerge.’

Eric Calitz, 18, and Nicolaas Van Der Walt, 19, had both died after being enrolled at the Echo Wild Game Rangers camp four years earlier.

When Calitz requested to leave, De Koker reportedly told him he ‘wasn’t a moffie [gay] and he would make a man out of him’.

Calitz’s family was informed of his death via text message, saying he had died of a heart attack.

Afterwards, doctors said the cause of death was from a seizure, dehydration and found bleeding from the brain.

Van Der Walt was also claimed to have died from a heart attack, but doctors said he had appeared to have been choked with a seatbelt.  

In 2009, De Koker was handed a suspended sentence over Calitz but escaped charges for the death of Van Der Walt, and the camp was allowed to continue.

Both De Koker and Erasmus have pleaded not guilty to the charges. The case continues.

         


by on May. 1, 2013 at 12:51 AM
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aj_mom
by Member on May. 2, 2013 at 1:19 PM

This is absolutely horrible.

Awma
by on May. 2, 2013 at 8:53 PM
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First, I am sorry for the pain these Parents are going thru.  Second, I am appalled that, after two other teens died, that any parent would consider send this boy to this place.  This should serve as a reminder to ALL people, research RESEARCH BEFORE you make any life decision.

I hope the people of this camp get EVRYTHING they deserve.  Purchapes treat them as they treated these young people.

Finally, what is so bad about being gay?  NO I'm NOT gay.  Nor do I have gay children, I'm just not sure what it is that people are afraid of.

I guess it is better to have a dead child instead of a live gay one.

Sisteract
by Whoopie on May. 2, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Best reply on this subject, ever-

Quoting Awma:

First, I am sorry for the pain these Parents are going thru.  Second, I am appalled that, after two other teens died, that any parent would consider send this boy to this place.  This should serve as a reminder to ALL people, research RESEARCH BEFORE you make any life decision.

I hope the people of this camp get EVRYTHING they deserve.  Purchapes treat them as they treated these young people.

Finally, what is so bad about being gay?  NO I'm NOT gay.  Nor do I have gay children, I'm just not sure what it is that people are afraid of.

I guess it is better to have a dead child instead of a live gay one.


Lottie925
by Bronze Member on May. 2, 2013 at 9:12 PM
I love my son so much, he is only a toddler, 15 months, but this story sickens me to the core. I wouldn't allow my 15 year old off at a camp with no contact to me to make him tougher or less fem. so so sad! I hope these guys get the max penalty.
adeber1
by Member on May. 2, 2013 at 9:27 PM
I was raised in a church that promotes and practices reparative/conversion therapy as a way to "fix the gay". I've witnessed first hand the damage it does and it's disgusting. I was taught that it is better to be dead than be gay.

Mankind's capacity for cruelty never ceases to amaze me and I don't think anything will change so long as people use theology to justify and excuse attitudes and behaviors that demoralize, demean, and discriminate (forgive the alliteration). IMO the treatment of the LGBT community is no different from the treatment of the African American community of the recent past. People used religion to justify racism then and are doing the same with being gay today.
Goodwoman614
by Satan on May. 2, 2013 at 9:41 PM
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Quoting adeber1:

I was raised in a church that promotes and practices reparative/conversion therapy as a way to "fix the gay". I've witnessed first hand the damage it does and it's disgusting. I was taught that it is better to be dead than be gay.

Mankind's capacity for cruelty never ceases to amaze me and I don't think anything will change so long as people use theology to justify and excuse attitudes and behaviors that demoralize, demean, and discriminate (forgive the alliteration). IMO the treatment of the LGBT community is no different from the treatment of the African American community of the recent past. People used religion to justify racism then and are doing the same with being gay today.

That's why issues such as the view on and treatment of homosexuals forces us to confront our theology with modernity. 

We can either adapt to allow for increased knowledge, information and just plain enlightenment 

or continue to stubbornly cling to SOME, select interpretations of a Bronze Age book. 


sillytime
by Bronze Member on May. 2, 2013 at 9:50 PM
Horrible!!!
Diane1223
by Member on May. 2, 2013 at 11:45 PM
This is terrible!
LindaClement
by Thatwoman on May. 3, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Brilliant.

This reminds me of the scandal here over the Montrose Clinic, which 'treated' anorexics like this...

LindaClement
by Thatwoman on May. 3, 2013 at 10:34 AM

I agree.

Man's capacity for self-righteous cruelty is astonishing. How easily they justify their thirst for torture and abuse...

Quoting adeber1:

I was raised in a church that promotes and practices reparative/conversion therapy as a way to "fix the gay". I've witnessed first hand the damage it does and it's disgusting. I was taught that it is better to be dead than be gay.

Mankind's capacity for cruelty never ceases to amaze me and I don't think anything will change so long as people use theology to justify and excuse attitudes and behaviors that demoralize, demean, and discriminate (forgive the alliteration). IMO the treatment of the LGBT community is no different from the treatment of the African American community of the recent past. People used religion to justify racism then and are doing the same with being gay today.


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