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The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia sent a written warning about accused Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security in 2012, long before pressure-cooker blasts killed three and injured hundreds, according to a senior Saudi government official with direct knowledge of the document.

The Saudi warning, the official told MailOnline, was separate from the multiple red flags raised by Russian intelligence in 2011, and was based on human intelligence developed independently in Yemen.

Citing security concerns, the Saudi government also denied an entry visa to the elder Tsarnaev brother in December 2011, when he hoped to make a pilgrimage to Mecca, the source said. Tsarnaev's plans to visit Saudi Arabia have not been previously disclosed.




My personal opinion is that they are going to uncover some rather widespread links in this case and our security systems are going to get a spanking.
by on May. 1, 2013 at 7:51 AM
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Peanutx3
by Ruby Member on May. 1, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Yes it was and it isn't working.

Quoting Billiejeens:


Wasn't the DHS created to put on end to all that mess?

They oversee all the agencies and (supposedly) make sure all is shared.

Quoting Peanutx3:

Yep

Quoting punky3175:

More evidence (in my mind) there are too many government agencies in this country with pretty much the same mission. It's quite possible that there was no information sharing between FBI and DHS to make a connection that it wasn't just one entity who was watching the older brother.

Great way to reduce spending - consolidate the fricking agencies.






Billiejeens
by Gold Member on May. 1, 2013 at 11:37 AM
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Yep, seems as if there was a point that it worked pretty well, there wasn't a successful terror attack after DHS was started until........................

Help me here, something changed, what was it, what was it?

Quoting Peanutx3:

Yes it was and it isn't working.

Quoting Billiejeens:

 

Wasn't the DHS created to put on end to all that mess?

They oversee all the agencies and (supposedly) make sure all is shared.

Quoting Peanutx3:

Yep

Quoting punky3175:

More evidence (in my mind) there are too many government agencies in this country with pretty much the same mission. It's quite possible that there was no information sharing between FBI and DHS to make a connection that it wasn't just one entity who was watching the older brother.

Great way to reduce spending - consolidate the fricking agencies.


 

 



 

ReadWriteLuv
by Silver Member on May. 1, 2013 at 11:37 AM
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I just re-read World War Z for probably the 25th time, and while obviously a fictional book, there are so many real world parallels it's uncanny. One of the "accounts" depicted in the book is from the director of the CIA who basically states that the agency is a scapegoat for any administration, and that while people think they have eyes and ears everywhere and are constantly spying on the populace all over the world, the reality is they have a budget just like any other agency and it's impossible for them to follow every lead and check every possible threat. People like to scream about how the CIA didn't forsee or stop every disaster, but the reality is that they don't have the people or the funding to do that. I think there is a huge grain of truth there.

The fact that Carpy mentioned the Isreali's is interesting as well, because in the book Isreal is the only country that has the foresight to stop the oncoming apocolypse at it's gates and save it's people. They are the only proactive country in the world. In a real world scenario, we probably could learn a lot from Isreal. They make amazing guns, btw. I'd give my left arm for an Isreali made Galil.

Billiejeens
by Gold Member on May. 1, 2013 at 11:38 AM

 

You were the first one to post.

Quoting Woodbabe:

Hitting the bottle this morning or is this just random picking at me? 

Quoting Billiejeens:

 

Interesting

Quoting Woodbabe:

I don't understand what you're talking about.

Quoting Billiejeens:

 

a lot of people have been bothered by that, where ya been?

Quoting Woodbabe:

So while we're ignoring actual intelligence information on real terrorist the rest of us are still getting catheters ripped out by TSA...

 

 


 

 



 

Della529
by Matlock on May. 1, 2013 at 12:13 PM

 The list is in this article http://www.forbes.com/sites/reuvencohen/2012/05/26/department-of-homeland-security-forced-to-release-list-of-keywords-used-to-monitor-social-networking-sites/ on page 2. 

Quoting Lorik1969:

I read an article on the BBC about a report released in the US. I really wish I had bookmarked it. Anyway, the government was forced, under the freedom of information act, to release a list of "buzz" words that they moniter computers for. There were hundreds of words, many of them regular everyday words. You can bet if you've ever typed about dissatisfaction with our government on your computer, they have a file on you. I read a joke, sort of, that said 1984 was never meant to be a manual. George Orwell may have missed it by a few years, but Big Brother is coming.


Quoting cjsbmom:

Yes, we have. And the people just keep letting it happen. When I hear folks on here say stuff like "let them search your house without a warrant. If you have nothing to hide, why do you care?" it makes my blood boil. 

As Ben Franklin once said, "those who value security over liberty deserve neither. "

Quoting Lorik1969:

We're not any safer, but we've lost a lot of liberties. I have to wonder if the government will use this latest attack as a reason to further shred the constitution.





Quoting cjsbmom:

Oh my Bob, we actually agree on something. I think I hear hell freezing over. LOL

But yes, all of this. Our security is a joke. It's not really a deterrant to anything, but rather a false illusion to make people think they're safe. We are no more safer now than we were before 9/11.

Quoting Carpy:

I think our security is to much based on reactionary behavior.  We could learn a lot from Israel.

Quoting Woodbabe:

So while we're ignoring actual intelligence information on real terrorist the rest of us are still getting catheters ripped out by TSA...







 

Della529
by Matlock on May. 1, 2013 at 12:21 PM

 My personal opinion is don't believe everything you (general) read in the DailyMail.  Any other sources with this info?

Lorik1969
by Bronze Member on May. 1, 2013 at 12:26 PM
It's just so ridiculous. I'm not shy about slamming the government. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to find out there is a file with my name on it. I wonder what the Founding Fathers would think of our government today?


Quoting Della529:

 The list is in this article http://www.forbes.com/sites/reuvencohen/2012/05/26/department-of-homeland-security-forced-to-release-list-of-keywords-used-to-monitor-social-networking-sites/ on page 2. 


Quoting Lorik1969:

I read an article on the BBC about a report released in the US. I really wish I had bookmarked it. Anyway, the government was forced, under the freedom of information act, to release a list of "buzz" words that they moniter computers for. There were hundreds of words, many of them regular everyday words. You can bet if you've ever typed about dissatisfaction with our government on your computer, they have a file on you. I read a joke, sort of, that said 1984 was never meant to be a manual. George Orwell may have missed it by a few years, but Big Brother is coming.



Quoting cjsbmom:


Yes, we have. And the people just keep letting it happen. When I hear folks on here say stuff like "let them search your house without a warrant. If you have nothing to hide, why do you care?" it makes my blood boil. 


As Ben Franklin once said, "those who value security over liberty deserve neither. "


Quoting Lorik1969:

We're not any safer, but we've lost a lot of liberties. I have to wonder if the government will use this latest attack as a reason to further shred the constitution.






Quoting cjsbmom:


Oh my Bob, we actually agree on something. I think I hear hell freezing over. LOL


But yes, all of this. Our security is a joke. It's not really a deterrant to anything, but rather a false illusion to make people think they're safe. We are no more safer now than we were before 9/11.


Quoting Carpy:


I think our security is to much based on reactionary behavior.  We could learn a lot from Israel.


Quoting Woodbabe:


So while we're ignoring actual intelligence information on real terrorist the rest of us are still getting catheters ripped out by TSA...











 


Della529
by Matlock on May. 1, 2013 at 12:29 PM
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 As much as I 'talk' down about Israel, I bet there's one with my name, too.

Quoting Lorik1969:

It's just so ridiculous. I'm not shy about slamming the government. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to find out there is a file with my name on it. I wonder what the Founding Fathers would think of our government today?


Quoting Della529:

 The list is in this article http://www.forbes.com/sites/reuvencohen/2012/05/26/department-of-homeland-security-forced-to-release-list-of-keywords-used-to-monitor-social-networking-sites/ on page 2. 


Quoting Lorik1969:

I read an article on the BBC about a report released in the US. I really wish I had bookmarked it. Anyway, the government was forced, under the freedom of information act, to release a list of "buzz" words that they moniter computers for. There were hundreds of words, many of them regular everyday words. You can bet if you've ever typed about dissatisfaction with our government on your computer, they have a file on you. I read a joke, sort of, that said 1984 was never meant to be a manual. George Orwell may have missed it by a few years, but Big Brother is coming.



Quoting cjsbmom:


Yes, we have. And the people just keep letting it happen. When I hear folks on here say stuff like "let them search your house without a warrant. If you have nothing to hide, why do you care?" it makes my blood boil. 


As Ben Franklin once said, "those who value security over liberty deserve neither. "


Quoting Lorik1969:

We're not any safer, but we've lost a lot of liberties. I have to wonder if the government will use this latest attack as a reason to further shred the constitution.






Quoting cjsbmom:


Oh my Bob, we actually agree on something. I think I hear hell freezing over. LOL


But yes, all of this. Our security is a joke. It's not really a deterrant to anything, but rather a false illusion to make people think they're safe. We are no more safer now than we were before 9/11.


Quoting Carpy:


I think our security is to much based on reactionary behavior.  We could learn a lot from Israel.


Quoting Woodbabe:


So while we're ignoring actual intelligence information on real terrorist the rest of us are still getting catheters ripped out by TSA...











 


 

cjsbmom
by Lois Lane on May. 1, 2013 at 1:28 PM

If it makes you feel any better, I don't consider myself to be a lefty. I'm more a middle-of-the-road kind of moderate. :)

Quoting Carpy:

I am having some serious issues with agreeing with the lefties on here lately.  Beginning to scare me. LOL

Quoting cjsbmom:

Oh my Bob, we actually agree on something. I think I hear hell freezing over. LOL

But yes, all of this. Our security is a joke. It's not really a deterrant to anything, but rather a false illusion to make people think they're safe. We are no more safer now than we were before 9/11.

Quoting Carpy:

I think our security is to much based on reactionary behavior.  We could learn a lot from Israel.

Quoting Woodbabe:

So while we're ignoring actual intelligence information on real terrorist the rest of us are still getting catheters ripped out by TSA...






RandRMomma
by Maya on May. 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM
So, now the Obama administration is involved in a huge cover up?

My lord.


Quoting tooptimistic:


I think the Obama adminstration is already doing their best to cover it up.

I think its why there was the delay in getting out the pictures to catch these two. I wonder if they weren't doing damage control because they knew they dropped the ball.


Quoting Meadowchik:

 I just hope that we will know and continue to learn the facts.




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