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PENTAGON CONFIRMS MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH

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This would include ANY faith...thoughts?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/05/01/Breaking-Pentagon-Confirms-Will-Court-Martial-Soldiers-Who-Share-Christian-Faith

BREAKING: PENTAGON CONFIRMS MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH


The Pentagon has released a statement confirming that soldiers could be prosecuted for promoting their faith: "Religious proselytization is not permitted within the Department of Defense...Court martials and non-judicial punishments are decided on a case-by-case basis...”. 

The statement, released to Fox News, follows a Breitbart News report on Obama administration Pentagon appointees meeting with anti-Christian extremist Mikey Weinstein to develop court-martial procedures to punish Christians in the military who express or share their faith. 

(From our earlier report: Weinstein is the head of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and says Christians--including chaplains--sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ in the military are guilty of “treason,” and of committing an act of “spiritual rape” as serious a crime as “sexual assault.” He also asserted that Christians sharing their faith in the military are “enemies of the Constitution.”)

Being convicted in a court martial means that a soldier has committed a crime under federal military law. Punishment for a court martial can include imprisonment and being dishonorably discharged from the military. 

So President Barack Obama’s civilian appointees who lead the Pentagon are confirming that the military will make it a crime--possibly resulting in imprisonment--for those in uniform to share their faith. This would include chaplains—military officers who are ordained clergymen of their faith (mostly Christian pastors or priests, or Jewish rabbis)--whose duty since the founding of the U.S. military under George Washington is to teach their faith and minister to the spiritual needs of troops who come to them for counsel, instruction, or comfort.

This regulation would severely limit expressions of faith in the military, even on a one-to-one basis between close friends. It could also effectively abolish the position of chaplain in the military, as it would not allow chaplains (or any service members, for that matter), to say anything about their faith that others say led them to think they were being encouraged to make faith part of their life. It’s difficult to imagine how a member of the clergy could give spiritual counseling without saying anything that might be perceived in that fashion.

In response to the Pentagon’s plans, retired Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin, who is now executive vice president of the Family Research Council (FRC), said on Fox & Friends Wednesday morning:

It’s a matter of what do they mean by "proselytizing." ...I think they’ve got their defintions a little confused. If you’re talking about coercion that’s one thing, but if you’re talking about the free exercise of our faith as individual soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines, especially for the chaplains, they I think the worst thing we can do is stop the ability for a soldier to be able to exercise his faith.”

FRC has launched a petition here which has already collected over 30,000 signatures, calling on Secretary Hagel is stop working with Weinstein and his anti-Christian organization to develop military policy regarding religious faith.

**UPDATE**

The FRC petition has now exceeded more than 40,000 signatures at the time of this update.

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by on May. 1, 2013 at 7:42 PM
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Mommy_of_Riley
by Jes on May. 2, 2013 at 12:24 AM
You do "check your rights".

Read the military contract... You specifically become the
"Property of the United States Governmet".

Done.


Quoting paknari:

Although I fully agree that the military as an organization should be meutral, you do not check your rights at the door when you join. Itit should be able to practice whatever religion you like. I don't think you should be trying to convert people but that can easily be turned into you can't have religion. Less is more in the regulations regarding personal freedom.




Quoting lga1965:

 Oh geeee. The FRC is always having a hissy fit and screaming "Stop picking on us perfect Christians!"



The Armed Forces are supposed to be neutral.Not a big surprise. The Base Chaplain or Post Chaplains of course preach in church....but I see no reason for members of a branch of service to run around speaking of their religions. It does sound like they are trying to recruit.


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paknari
by on May. 2, 2013 at 12:35 AM
Yes and I understand that. I was in the military. I also get that in the workplace it is inapropriate to use your religion to manipulate or coerce. I say that they should treat it like foreign languages. I was a translator and I was not allowed to have conversations in that language unless it was for work because its innapropriate to exclude others. In a work environment I say don't preach or use it against anyone in an official capacity.


Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

You do "check your rights".



Read the military contract... You specifically become the

"Property of the United States Governmet".



Done.




Quoting paknari:

Although I fully agree that the military as an organization should be meutral, you do not check your rights at the door when you join. Itit should be able to practice whatever religion you like. I don't think you should be trying to convert people but that can easily be turned into you can't have religion. Less is more in the regulations regarding personal freedom.






Quoting lga1965:

 Oh geeee. The FRC is always having a hissy fit and screaming "Stop picking on us perfect Christians!"




The Armed Forces are supposed to be neutral.Not a big surprise. The Base Chaplain or Post Chaplains of course preach in church....but I see no reason for members of a branch of service to run around speaking of their religions. It does sound like they are trying to recruit.



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Friday
by HRH of MJ on May. 2, 2013 at 12:38 AM

This is a tough call. Those who believe, have the right to that and to try to spread the word if their belief calls for it. The problem is some take it too far and I have read of incidents of evangelicals seriously harassing non-Christians within military settings. My brother said the Navy wasn't too bad but he still felt some slight pressure to conform or keep his mouth shut about his beliefs.

This seems like it might be going too far but I don't know how to manage this while respecting everyones rights.

 


Thank God......it's Friday!!!

Mommy_of_Riley
by Jes on May. 2, 2013 at 10:17 AM
That's a good comparison. And that is all that is happening... This article just over exaggerates and dramatizes the situation at hand. :-)

Thank you for your service by the way.


Quoting paknari:

Yes and I understand that. I was in the military. I also get that in the workplace it is inapropriate to use your religion to manipulate or coerce. I say that they should treat it like foreign languages. I was a translator and I was not allowed to have conversations in that language unless it was for work because its innapropriate to exclude others. In a work environment I say don't preach or use it against anyone in an official capacity.




Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

You do "check your rights".





Read the military contract... You specifically become the


"Property of the United States Governmet".





Done.






Quoting paknari:

Although I fully agree that the military as an organization should be meutral, you do not check your rights at the door when you join. Itit should be able to practice whatever religion you like. I don't think you should be trying to convert people but that can easily be turned into you can't have religion. Less is more in the regulations regarding personal freedom.








Quoting lga1965:

 Oh geeee. The FRC is always having a hissy fit and screaming "Stop picking on us perfect Christians!"





The Armed Forces are supposed to be neutral.Not a big surprise. The Base Chaplain or Post Chaplains of course preach in church....but I see no reason for members of a branch of service to run around speaking of their religions. It does sound like they are trying to recruit.



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Raintree
by Ruby Member on May. 2, 2013 at 10:26 AM
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Quoting trippyhippy:

This article and title are seriously biased.

Yep.

The problem has been coercion in certain branches of the military in regards to fundmentalist/domionist/evangelical Christianity.

Raintree
by Ruby Member on May. 2, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Just for interest sake- One of the men killed in Benghazi was a board member of the MRFF.

FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on May. 2, 2013 at 10:50 AM

Did I read that correctly?

I hope this includes ALL faiths.

Spiritual rape............the same as sexual rape?

Ridiculous.

JakeandEmmasMom
by Platinum Member on May. 2, 2013 at 10:51 AM

 I feel like I need a lot more information before forming an opinion.

FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on May. 2, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Skimmed the article.  Nothing on the actual wording.

Have to head to work soon so I don't have the time to look it up.


lga1965
by on May. 2, 2013 at 7:38 PM

 Here is something you need to read:

http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/blog/?p=26987

No, the Pentagon won’t court-martial service members for sharing their faith.

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Over the past few days, several limbs of conservative media have been vibrating with the fear that the Department of Defense was about to hatch a dark plot to persecute military personnel — including chaplains — for “sharing their faith.” Some critics found those claims unpersuasive. But yesterday, news outlets began reporting a new Pentagon statement allegedly banning “proselytizing,” under threat of court martial. And those who predicted the military was about to bar Christians from obeying Jesus’ command to “preach the gospel” declared that they were right all along. Today, however, in response to my queries about the earlier statement, the Department of Defense has clarified that there is no ban on faith-sharing in the military

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