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Public Housing Authority instituting ban on smoking

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 JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -

Thousands of people in Jacksonville are finding out they will no longer be able to smoke in their own homes.

The people live in public housing, and a new rule will ban smoking inside their apartments.

April Cain and her family live in Blodgett Villas near downtown. She recently got a notice that says starting in October, she won't be allowed to light up inside her home.

"I think it's wrong," Cain said. "Just because it's run by the government, we should not be told what to do in our own house."

But that's exactly what the Jacksonville Housing Authority is planning to do. Smoking will not be allowed in the complexes the city owns.

"We are going to enforce it at the site level," said Frederick McKinnies, of the Housing Authority. "We have 23 sites of public housing in Jacksonville, and each manager will be required to monitor the situation. It's obvious when people smoke in their units, and some people are going to be reported by other residents, of course, and we will take the appropriate action."

That action will mean warnings and eventually could lead to evictions.

"But our purpose this first year is to be very flexible and work with the residents who want to quit smoking to provide assistance to them to do so," McKinnies said.

As expected, the news of the ban is getting mixed reactions.

"It don't bother me," resident Delores Ardley said. "A lot of that smoke, it irritates me when I be around it. So basically it don't bother me."

Derek Carson is a smoker who lives in a high rise. For him to smoke, he will have to go down 15 floors.

"I understand why they are doing it," Carson said. "I feel for people who don't smoke that have to live with people who do smoke, but still, there has got to be another way around it. And I don't know what the answer is, but I am willing to try anything."

Smoking areas will be set up outside, and for those who have a patio or balcony, they will be able to step outside. The Housing Authority will meet with residents later this month to go over the new policy, but some are saying it's just taking away their rights.

"If somebody wants to smoke inside, they should be able to smoke inside," resident Christie Krestalude said.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/smoking-banned-in-jacksonville-public-housing/-/475880/19972712/-/knw1rwz/-/index.html

by on May. 1, 2013 at 11:41 PM
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turtle68
by Mahinaarangi on May. 2, 2013 at 9:10 AM


Quoting Aislinn:

 They do not own the home. They rent the home. Landlords are allowed to ban certain things like pets and smoking. I just had to paint and clean a house a nasty smoker, who could not open a window, lived in. It does SEVERE damage to the property that takes a LOT OF MONEY to repair. So, I say, GO OUTSIDE. I have been smoking for twenty years and my ass lives in cold ass Maine. I go outside. It is that easy.

As much as I dislike smoking inside and have seen what smoking can do to a place that is rented.

This is what bond covers...renters pay a bond when they move in so that if the house has been ruined the money is kept to clean it.

I have also seen how clean smokers can leave a house....where they have painted it so they can get their money back.

Here landlords cant lay down a no smoking rule when renting a house.  Apartments yes...because of the safety of many others.  They can say non smokers please apply but not say smokers are not welcome to apply.  

LHummel
by on May. 2, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Good

UpSheRises
by Platinum Member on May. 2, 2013 at 9:14 AM
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The constitution doesn't grantee anyone privacy.

Quoting Della529:

 What about Constitutionally?  Do you think these people lose their right to privacy?

Quoting chloedee:

Lots of landlords ban smoking indoors. If you want to smoke in your apartment or home, own it yourself. Until then, the person renting to you gets to make certain rules. 

 


 

JoshRachelsMAMA
by JRM on May. 2, 2013 at 9:14 AM
Absolutely not. They are PAYING for the quiet enjoyment of that space. The "right" of a non smoker doesn't trump or supersede those of a smoker. They are entitled to privacy from the government.

So now they are going to evict poor and (possibly) sick people.? Where are they supposed to go? I guess the city of Jacksonville has no issue with the loss of funds and its people living on the streets.

A good attorney can win this.

Quoting Della529: What about Constitutionally?  Do you think these people lose their right to privacy?
Quoting chloedee:
Lots of landlords ban smoking indoors. If you want to smoke in your apartment or home, own it yourself. Until then, the person renting to you gets to make certain rules. 
 
DestinyHLewis
by Destiny on May. 2, 2013 at 9:14 AM

This is no different than the landlord you rent from stating no smoking is allowed in the home you rent. I see no issues here. 

Aislinn
by Silver Member on May. 2, 2013 at 9:19 AM



Quoting turtle68:


Quoting Aislinn:

 They do not own the home. They rent the home. Landlords are allowed to ban certain things like pets and smoking. I just had to paint and clean a house a nasty smoker, who could not open a window, lived in. It does SEVERE damage to the property that takes a LOT OF MONEY to repair. So, I say, GO OUTSIDE. I have been smoking for twenty years and my ass lives in cold ass Maine. I go outside. It is that easy.

As much as I dislike smoking inside and have seen what smoking can do to a place that is rented.

This is what bond covers...renters pay a bond when they move in so that if the house has been ruined the money is kept to clean it.

I have also seen how clean smokers can leave a house....where they have painted it so they can get their money back.

Here landlords cant lay down a no smoking rule when renting a house.  Apartments yes...because of the safety of many others.  They can say non smokers please apply but not say smokers are not welcome to apply.  

 That may be true in your state, but that is not the case in a lot of states. Any landlord, for any reason, can ban whatever he wants as long as they do not discriminate based on race, handicaps, etc.. Smoking is not a right. Ruining someones house is not a right. My company has been paid by many a landlord that got screwed over by a smoker who ruined their premises. I find it disturbing that a state would protect people who can severely ruin someone elses property. That is the good old, US of A for you. We wonder why our society is falling apart. And, I just spent two weekends, in a row, cleaning and painting my new camp after a smoker destroyed it. I may have to rip out sheetrock in his room. Jury is still out. It is not the right of ANY person to DESTROY the property of ANOTHER person, ever.


JoshRachelsMAMA
by JRM on May. 2, 2013 at 9:20 AM
Except that most landlords are private entities. This is public housing, the government is not the same as a private entity.

Quoting DestinyHLewis:

This is no different than the landlord you rent from stating no smoking is allowed in the home you rent. I see no issues here. 

LHummel
by on May. 2, 2013 at 9:23 AM
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I own a rental property. I don't allow smoking. The tenants sign in the lease they will not smoke in the house. They also sign that they will allow inspections to be done of the home during their lease. These inspections are scheduled with the tenants at their convenience. If it is found they have been smoking in the home they are evicted. So why would rights be violated if that is what is done with public housing? 

Quoting Della529:

 No, not specifically.  But this...

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

What does it say to you?  Would they not be in "their homes"?

Quoting Tag3.0:


The constiution mentions nothing of smoking in someone lse's property. If rental properties are allowed to have stipulation and regulations than so can the government. They are providing a service, at low cost to individuals, they must follow all rules while on government property. How is this no different. If these individuals want to smoke, tell them to buy their own home or move out.

Quoting Della529:

 Same questions:

What about Constitutionally?  Do you think these people lose their right to privacy?

Quoting Tag3.0:

Good, It's not their propert anyway, they should smoke out side. It ruins the property overtime, which is not good anyway, that is more money that has to be spent on renovation.

 



 


Woodbabe
by Woodie on May. 2, 2013 at 9:24 AM
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When you rent you DO lose rights. You lose the right to have as many people living in that space as you want. You lose the right to have as many pets as you want. You lose the right to throw trash bags out your living room window. You lose the right to knock down walls and renovate and/or damage the place. Smoking damages the place. That deposit isn't enough to replace the carpet, pad and repaint the entire place. 

I'm sorry but if you are renting from someone else, including the Government, they DO have the right to set the rules.

 Sexy If its unladylike, fattening or fun, I'm in!
  

Lizardannie1966
by on May. 2, 2013 at 9:25 AM

They shouldn't be smoking in their homes to begin with. I'm a smoker and we do not smoke in our home but many years ago we did and it's amazing the vast difference is in how the inside of the home smells now versus before.

Just in trying to get that yellow goop off of the walls from smoking inside of a home can be costly enough for a landlord.

The smell can get into the fibers of carpeting, as well.

I honestly think this is a good idea and one that should extend beyond public housing.

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