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Obama: The fall

Posted by on May. 3, 2013 at 7:36 PM
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I have to say, I just love Krauthammers, insight.  He is usually spot on.

By Published: May 2

Fate is fickle, power cyclical, and nothing is new under the sun. Especially in Washington, where after every election the losing party is sagely instructed to confess sin, rend garments and rethink its principles lest it go the way of the Whigs. And where the victor is hailed as the new Caesar, facing an open road to domination.

And where Barack Obama, already naturally inclined to believe his own loftiness, graciously accepted the kingly crown and proceeded to ride his reelection success to a crushing victory over the GOP at the fiscal cliff, leaving a humiliated John Boehner & Co. with nothing but naked tax hikes.

Thus emboldened, Obama turned his inaugural and State of the Union addresses into a left-wing dream factory, from his declaration of war on global warming (on a planet where temperatures are the same as 16 years ago and in a country whose CO2 emissions are at a 20-year low) to the invention of new entitlements — e.g., universal preschool for 5-year-olds— for a country already drowning in debt.

To realize his dreams, Obama sought to fracture and neutralize the congressional GOP as a prelude to reclaiming the House in 2014. This would enable him to fully enact his agenda in the final two years of his presidency, usually a time of lame-duck paralysis. Hail the Obama juggernaut.

Well, that story — excuse me, narrative — lasted exactly six months. The Big Mo is gone.

It began with the sequester. Obama never believed the Republicans would call his bluff and let it go into effect. They did.

Taken by surprise, Obama cried wolf, predicting the end of everything we hold dear if the sequester was not stopped. It wasn’t. Nothing happened.

Highly embarrassed, and determined to indeed make (bad) things happen, the White House refused Republican offers to give it more discretion in making cuts. Bureaucrats were instructed to inflict maximum pain from minimal cuts, as revealed by one memo from the Agriculture Department demanding agency cuts that the public would feel.

Things began with the near-comical cancellation of White House tours and ended with not-so-comical airline delays. Obama thought furious passengers would blame the GOP. But isn’t the executive branch in charge of these agencies? Who thinks that a government spending $3.6 trillion a year can’t cut 2 percent without furloughing air-traffic controllers?

Looking not just incompetent at managing budgets but cynical for deliberately injuring the public welfare, the administration relented. Congress quickly passed a bill giving Obama reallocation authority to restore air traffic control. Having previously threatened to veto any such bill, Obama caved. He signed.

Not exactly Appomattox, but coming immediately after Obama’s spectacular defeat on gun control, it marked an administration that had lost its “juice,” to paraphrase a charming question at the president’s Tuesday news conference.

For Obama, gun control was a political disaster. He invested capital. He went on a multi-city tour. He paraded grieving relatives. And got nothing. An assault-weapons ban — a similar measure had passed the Congress 20 years ago — lost 60 to 40in a Senate where Democrats control 55 seats. Obama failed even to get mere background checks.

All this while appearing passive, if not helpless, on the world stage. On Syria, Obama is nervously trying to erase the WMD red line he had so publicly established. On Benghazi, he stonewalled accusations that State Department officials wishing to testify are being blocked.

He is even taking heat for the Boston bombings. Every day brings another revelation of signals missed beforehand. And his post-bombing pledge to hunt down those responsible was mocked by the scandalous Mirandizing of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, gratuitously shutting down information from the one person who knows more than anyone about possible still-existent explosives, associates, trainers, future plans, etc.

Now, the screw will undoubtedly turn again. If immigration reform passes, Obama will be hailed as the comeback kid, and a new “Obama rising” narrative proclaimed.

This will overlook the fact that immigration reform has little to do with Obama and everything to do with GOP panic about the Hispanic vote. In fact, Obama has been asked by congressional negotiators to stay away, so polarizing a figure has he become.

Nonetheless, whatever happens, the screw will surely turn again, if only because of media boredom. But that’s the one constant of Washington political life: There are no straight-line graphs. We live from inflection point to inflection point.

And we’ve just experienced one. From king of the world to dead in the water in six months. Quite a ride.

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DSamuels
by Gold Member on May. 3, 2013 at 9:26 PM
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LOL now I'm thinking about Laugh-In and the "fickle finger of fate" award!


Seasidegirl
by Gold Member on May. 3, 2013 at 10:36 PM
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He's taking the heat for the Boston bombings? Where? On FoxNews? Rush Limbaugh?

Obama is dealing with a heels-dug-in Congress determined to fight him even if he found the surefire cure for all cancers. They are selfish and could give a crap about the American people.

On the flip side, Obama got us out of the Republican-led lie of a war in Iraq, was in charge when we got Bin Laden and has led the US in wiping out several other Al Quaeda leaders. Then there is health care reform. And there will be gun safety legislation passed. He is behind marriage equality and equal pay and rights for women. 

Meanwhile the Repubs in Congress want the American people, well, the 47 percent moochers, to be miserable as they obsess over hating the president. 

grandmab125
by Gold Member on May. 3, 2013 at 10:59 PM
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 Does any one want to fill in the blanks for Seasidegirl?  I'm too tired tonight.  It's so exhausting to continuously attempt to educate the lemmings.

emeraldangel20
by on May. 3, 2013 at 11:04 PM
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bravo, but you're interupting the Obama hate orgy that's bound to happen. The one where they get their rocks off to each other's Obama insults and laugh at us "libtards" who make too much sense for them.

let the old gals have their fun...

Quoting Seasidegirl:

He's taking the heat for the Boston bombings? Where? On FoxNews? Rush Limbaugh?

Obama is dealing with a heels-dug-in Congress determined to fight him even if he found the surefire cure for all cancers. They are selfish and could give a crap about the American people.

On the flip side, Obama got us out of the Republican-led lie of a war in Iraq, was in charge when we got Bin Laden and has led the US in wiping out several other Al Quaeda leaders. Then there is health care reform. And there will be gun safety legislation passed. He is behind marriage equality and equal pay and rights for women. 

Meanwhile the Repubs in Congress want the American people, well, the 47 percent moochers, to be miserable as they obsess over hating the president. 


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by Pepperlynn on May. 3, 2013 at 11:09 PM
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Republicans need to quit complaining and start cooperating with Obama


Tonight, the president of the United States of America and the leader of the party that won the election in 2012 set forward a strong plan not only for the next four years but the next four decades of American prosperity and promise.  

It is a plan that knows we must build our economy from the middle class out and not just from the top-down.  

It is a plan that believes American workers can get the skills they need for the 21st century and American companies can compete in the global marketplace.  

It is a plan that knows helping our students and seniors and creating jobs for everyone else in between is far more urgent now than more cuts to spending.  

It is a plan that falls squarely within the lessons of American history and the traditions of our founding values.  And it is a plan that will work — and a plan that the American people support!

Nine in 10 Americans — and eight in 10 Republicans and independents — agree that we need to create a road to citizenship for the hardworking, aspiring Americans who are so vital to our economy and our communities.  Over 85% of voters believe we need to strengthen the manufacturing industry in America.  Three-quarters of voters support improving our roads and schools and creating jobs through public infrastructure investments.  A wide majority of gun owners — and NRA members! — support common sense gun violence prevention measures like fixing the background check system and closing gun show loopholes.  A majority of Americans say our nation must do more to address climate change and invest in pioneering green energy.   And most Americans believe that inequality in America is a major problem and that our economy unfairly favors the rich. 

In some cases by more than a three-to-one margin, voters say that the most important issue facing the country right now is jobs — not the deficit. 

A strong majority of Americans oppose cuts to Medicaid, Medicare or Social Security benefits. If something has to be cut, voters favor cuts to military spending.

In other words, every single idea and initiative that President Obama outlined in his State of the Union Address will not only strengthen our economic standing as a nation but also falls squarely within the values and priorities of the majority of American voters.  Those trying to argue otherwise are obviously intoxicated by the recycled air of their own ideological bubble.  A bubble that, by any realistic measure of popular opinion or electoral power, is clearly shrinking.

 

Obviously in crafting his Republican response, Senator Marco Rubio was keenly aware of his party’s dwindling oxygen.  Rubio struggled to re-cast himself and his fellow conservatives as the defenders of working people and immigrants.  But while Rubio repeatedly suggested Republicans agree with President Obama’s assessment of the problems we face as a nation, he repeatedly made clear Republicans remain opposed to any reasonable solutions.  Meanwhile polls continue to show that the majority of Americans still believe the Republican Party is too invested in protecting the interests of the wealthy at the expense of the rest of us.  One speech can’t change that.  Even in Spanish. 

The Republican Party should be less worried about its image and more worried about its substance.  No party that dismantles the American Jobs Act, blocks the Violence Against Women Act and defeats the DREAM Act can expect to win the hearts and minds of mainstream America, let alone a governing majority.  

For crying out loud, Republicans in the chamber couldn’t even manage to stand up and applaud for protecting voting rights and helping kids go to pre-school.  Instead of continuing to oppose everything Democrats stand for, Republicans should explain to the American people why the only thing Republicans seem to consistently stand for --- more tax cuts for the rich --- didn’t create jobs and ward off our financial crisis when those cuts were in place.

Of course the irony in all this is had Republicans eked out a presidential victory with even a fraction of the margin President Obama enjoyed, they would be slashing our social safety net and public workforce even more than they already have and claiming a broad and mainstream mandate to do so despite opposing public opinion on such proposals.  

So the fact that President Obama handily won re-election and continues to advance his inherently moderate and common sense plan for the nation — a plan that enjoys broad public support — makes it all the more bizarre that Republicans continue to flaps their arms and gums about President Obama’s supposed extremism.  It’s evidence of either a deep and unyielding disdain for Obama or a fundamental failure to grasp reality.  Or maybe both.

In every sense imaginable, America is moving forward.  Our economy is recovering and changing to better compete in the world.  And our demographics are evolving to better reflect the world.  Our politics must keep up.  

President Obama articulated a powerful and practical plan, many parts of which any sensible Republican not stuck on the auto-pilot obstructionism of the last four years would be highly inclined to support.  The American people chose their path and President Obama is leading us forward.  Republicans would be wise to stop with the blanket criticisms and start finding a way to cooperate.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/02/12/republicans-need-to-quit-complaining-and-start-cooperating-with-obama/#ixzz2SI1UUyCr


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by Pepperlynn on May. 3, 2013 at 11:10 PM

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Republicans are finally making their opposition to Obama’s policies on Gitmo and civilian trials very public, after the President decided to arraign Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, the son-in-law of Osama bin Laden, in New York City. He was extradited on Thursday.

A civilian trial? Republicans are not pleased.

Naturally, John McCain led the Republican charge against the President’s policy, claiming in a statement that the American people don’t want terror suspects brought here for trial, “The American people and their representatives in Congress have been clear that they do not want foreign members of al Qaeda brought to the United States. The Obama administration’s decision to try Abu Ghaith in a New York district courtclearly contravenes the will of the American people. This decision by the Obama administration will not go unchallenged.”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) made clear the Republican support for Gitmo in a statement, “What has not changed since the issuance of the president’s executive orders is that terrorists working to attack the United States are enemy combatants, and if captured should be placed in military custody where they can be interrogated. The decision of the president to import Sulaiman Abu Ghaith into the United States solely for civilian prosecution makes little sense, and reveals, yet again, a stubborn refusal to avoid holding additional terrorists at the secure facility at Guantanamo Bay despite the circumstances.”

It’s as if Republicans don’t believe in our judicial system. If that’s so, then perhaps they ought to set about fixing that much larger problem. Also, had they actually managed to capture Osama bin Laden using torture, they might have a leg to stand on – but as it is, they did not keep us safe, they did not capture bin Laden, and they were wrong about torture.

It’s beyond frustrating that Americans elected President Obama twice, in part due to his approach to our foreign policy and national security, and yet they are getting Bushian/Republican policies on Gitmo and military tribunals shoved down their throats because Republicans and some Democrats refuse to fund Obama’s executive order.

Contrary to what you may have read for the last four years, President Obama really did sign an executive order to close Guantanamo Bay, Cuba (aka, Gitmo) and bring terror suspects to the continental US for civilian trials instead of military tribunals, per his understanding of our Constitution.

On January 22, 2009, as one of his first official acts in office, Barack Obama signed an executive order to close Gitmo within one year. On that day Obama said, “This is me following through on not just a commitment I made during the campaign, but I think an understanding that dates back to our founding fathers, that we are willing to observe core standards of conduct, not just when it’s easy, but also when it’s hard.”

That hasn’t happened, due mostly to Republicans but also some Democrats, who together managed to obstruct the President’s executive order.

While Republicans are opposed because they tend to support the Republican ideology/fear tactics that led to Gitmo and military tribunals, there is also the issue that representatives don’t want terror suspects in their home states because they don’t want the political liability. It’s called cowardice.

They make this clear every year when the Senate Armed Services Committee drafts the NDAA, and the neo con war hawks make sure they specifically prohibit the funding of the transfer of prisoners to US soil, thereby nullifying Obama’s executive order by defunding it.

The President has made clear his objections to their actions, most notably in his signing statement clarifying how he instructed his administration to carry out the NDAA (emphasis mine):

In the second paragraph of his NDAA signing statement, Obama stated, “The fact that I support this bill as a whole does not mean I agree with everything in it. In particular, I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation, and prosecution of suspected terrorists.Over the last several years, my Administration has developed an effective, sustainable framework for the detention, interrogation and trial of suspected terrorists that allows us to maximize both our ability to collect intelligence and to incapacitate dangerous individuals in rapidly developing situations, and the results we have achieved are undeniable. Our success against al-Qa’ida and its affiliates and adherents has derived in significant measure from providing our counterterrorism professionals with the clarity and flexibility they need to adapt to changing circumstances and to utilize whichever authorities best protect the American people, and our accomplishments have respected the values that make our country an example for the world.”

This has all gone on under the radar as the public chased other less than savory aspects within the yearly NDAA.

For years, progressives have blamed Obama for the Republican obstruction, which was easy to miss as it was buried in the fine print of bills. However, here it is, out in the light of day and yes, it’s just as you suspected. The party of torture has deliberately obstructed the President’s executive order and the party of few spines has at times assisted in carrying out Republican fear based policies.

The President did sign an executive order to close Gitmo and it has been carefully obstructed by Congress (including some liberal heroes, by the way) every year since. The President is taking a stand now (another perk of not having to run for office again; second term revelations of character), which is forcing Republicans to come out of the closet and publicly defend their love for Gitmo and military tribunals.

Republicans are objecting to the President’s policy of civilian trials because they see it as another way to obstruct the President from carrying through on a promise he made, and also because they still believe in their vision of national defense in spite of its lack of effectiveness: Torture, military tribunals over civilian trials, and a general atmosphere of fear, instead of considering our higher obligations to justice.

Republicans fell down on upholding our values when they lied about weapons of mass destruction, and they continue down that same failed path to this day.

http://www.politicususa.com/republicans-finally-closet-preventing-obama-closing-gitmo-civilian-trials.html

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by Pepperlynn on May. 3, 2013 at 11:10 PM
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Toomey on gun laws: GOP didn't want to be seen helping Obama

(CNN) - Republican Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania blamed political polarization for the failure of last month's background check compromise he reached with Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin, saying some in his party simply voted against the measure to prevent the president from winning a legislative victory.

"In the end, it didn't pass because we're so politicized. There were some on my side who did not want to be seen helping the president do something he wanted to get done, just because the president wanted to do it," Toomey said.

"The toughest thing to do in politics is to do the right thing when your supporters think the right thing is something else," he added.

His comments came in an interview Tuesday with a roundtable of Digital First Media editors in the offices of the Times Herald newspaper in Norristown, Pennsylvania.

According to the editors at the meeting, Toomey clarified his comment, saying he meant to say Republicans in general, not just his GOP colleagues in the Senate.

Toomey was one of four Republicans who voted on a measure to expand the background check system so that it covers private sales at gun shows and online. Five Democrats voted against the proposal (including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who voted no so he could bring the bill back up later).

In a 54-46 vote, the measure failed to reach the 60 votes needed to move forward in the Senate. Along with the background checks legislation, a ban on assault weapons also went down in defeat.

President Barack Obama said Tuesday in a news conference that he suspected there were Republican members in Congress who vote against their instincts for political purposes.

"Their base thinks that compromise with me is somehow a betrayal. They're worried about primaries. And I understand all that. And we're going to try to do everything we can to create a permission structure for them to be able to do what's going to be best for the country," he said. "But it's going to take some time."

The president and gun control advocates chided lawmakers for failing to pass the proposal, the only one that had a real shot of passing among the slew of gun proposals brought forward in the wake of the elementary school massacre in Newtown, Connecticut.

While Obama, Reid and gun control groups have vowed to keep up the pressure and bring the legislation back for a vote down the road, Toomey expressed doubt that a second vote will happen soon.

"Reid could bring it up for a vote at any time, but we need five people to change their minds," Toomey said.

"It's a pretty heavy lift to get five senators to change their mind on a big issue like this," he added. "It's not likely to happen any time soon. I hope people will reconsider over time."

His comments sounded less enthusiastic compared with those made by Manchin. The senator from West Virginia said Sunday he believes the measure is still alive and together they can persuade enough lawmakers to support it.

"I truly believe if we have time to sell the bill, and people read the bill," it will gain support, Manchin said. "I'm willing to go anywhere in this country, I'm going to debate anybody on this issue, read the bill and you tell me what you don't like."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/01/toomey-on-gun-laws-gop-didnt-want-to-be-seen-helping-obama/comment-page-12/

grandmab125
by Gold Member on May. 3, 2013 at 11:33 PM
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 LMAO.  Sally Kohn is a flaming left wing nut job.  You do realize that Fox News has token dems as contributors, don't you.  It's what makes them "fair and balanced".

Quoting -Celestial-:

 

Republicans need to quit complaining and start cooperating with Obama


Tonight, the president of the United States of America and the leader of the party that won the election in 2012 set forward a strong plan not only for the next four years but the next four decades of American prosperity and promise.  

It is a plan that knows we must build our economy from the middle class out and not just from the top-down.  

It is a plan that believes American workers can get the skills they need for the 21st century and American companies can compete in the global marketplace.  

It is a plan that knows helping our students and seniors and creating jobs for everyone else in between is far more urgent now than more cuts to spending.  

It is a plan that falls squarely within the lessons of American history and the traditions of our founding values.  And it is a plan that will work — and a plan that the American people support!

Nine in 10 Americans — and eight in 10 Republicans and independents — agree that we need to create a road to citizenship for the hardworking, aspiring Americans who are so vital to our economy and our communities.  Over 85% of voters believe we need to strengthen the manufacturing industry in America.  Three-quarters of voters support improving our roads and schools and creating jobs through public infrastructure investments.  A wide majority of gun owners — and NRA members! — support common sense gun violence prevention measures like fixing the background check system and closing gun show loopholes.  A majority of Americans say our nation must do more to address climate change and invest in pioneering green energy.   And most Americans believe that inequality in America is a major problem and that our economy unfairly favors the rich. 

In some cases by more than a three-to-one margin, voters say that the most important issue facing the country right now is jobs — not the deficit. 

A strong majority of Americans oppose cuts to Medicaid, Medicare or Social Security benefits. If something has to be cut, voters favor cuts to military spending.

In other words, every single idea and initiative that President Obama outlined in his State of the Union Address will not only strengthen our economic standing as a nation but also falls squarely within the values and priorities of the majority of American voters.  Those trying to argue otherwise are obviously intoxicated by the recycled air of their own ideological bubble.  A bubble that, by any realistic measure of popular opinion or electoral power, is clearly shrinking.

 

Obviously in crafting his Republican response, Senator Marco Rubio was keenly aware of his party’s dwindling oxygen.  Rubio struggled to re-cast himself and his fellow conservatives as the defenders of working people and immigrants.  But while Rubio repeatedly suggested Republicans agree with President Obama’s assessment of the problems we face as a nation, he repeatedly made clear Republicans remain opposed to any reasonable solutions.  Meanwhile polls continue to show that the majority of Americans still believe the Republican Party is too invested in protecting the interests of the wealthy at the expense of the rest of us.  One speech can’t change that.  Even in Spanish. 

The Republican Party should be less worried about its image and more worried about its substance.  No party that dismantles the American Jobs Act, blocks the Violence Against Women Act and defeats the DREAM Act can expect to win the hearts and minds of mainstream America, let alone a governing majority.  

For crying out loud, Republicans in the chamber couldn’t even manage to stand up and applaud for protecting voting rights and helping kids go to pre-school.  Instead of continuing to oppose everything Democrats stand for, Republicans should explain to the American people why the only thing Republicans seem to consistently stand for --- more tax cuts for the rich --- didn’t create jobs and ward off our financial crisis when those cuts were in place.

Of course the irony in all this is had Republicans eked out a presidential victory with even a fraction of the margin President Obama enjoyed, they would be slashing our social safety net and public workforce even more than they already have and claiming a broad and mainstream mandate to do so despite opposing public opinion on such proposals.  

So the fact that President Obama handily won re-election and continues to advance his inherently moderate and common sense plan for the nation — a plan that enjoys broad public support — makes it all the more bizarre that Republicans continue to flaps their arms and gums about President Obama’s supposed extremism.  It’s evidence of either a deep and unyielding disdain for Obama or a fundamental failure to grasp reality.  Or maybe both.

In every sense imaginable, America is moving forward.  Our economy is recovering and changing to better compete in the world.  And our demographics are evolving to better reflect the world.  Our politics must keep up.  

President Obama articulated a powerful and practical plan, many parts of which any sensible Republican not stuck on the auto-pilot obstructionism of the last four years would be highly inclined to support.  The American people chose their path and President Obama is leading us forward.  Republicans would be wise to stop with the blanket criticisms and start finding a way to cooperate.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/02/12/republicans-need-to-quit-complaining-and-start-cooperating-with-obama/#ixzz2SI1UUyCr


 

grandma B

grandmab125
by Gold Member on May. 3, 2013 at 11:39 PM
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 Toomey is a RINO.  He's just pissed that his comprimise bill was rejected.

Oh, and by the way, GITMO will not be closed as long as the republicans are in charge of the house of reps, that is unless Obama manages to pull of another Constitutionally illegal EO.   They won't approve the money needed to relocate them or house them here in this country.  Would you want them in a prison in your state?

Quoting -Celestial-:

 

1 day ago

Toomey on gun laws: GOP didn't want to be seen helping Obama

(CNN) - Republican Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania blamed political polarization for the failure of last month's background check compromise he reached with Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin, saying some in his party simply voted against the measure to prevent the president from winning a legislative victory.

"In the end, it didn't pass because we're so politicized. There were some on my side who did not want to be seen helping the president do something he wanted to get done, just because the president wanted to do it," Toomey said.

"The toughest thing to do in politics is to do the right thing when your supporters think the right thing is something else," he added.

His comments came in an interview Tuesday with a roundtable of Digital First Media editors in the offices of the Times Herald newspaper in Norristown, Pennsylvania.

According to the editors at the meeting, Toomey clarified his comment, saying he meant to say Republicans in general, not just his GOP colleagues in the Senate.

Toomey was one of four Republicans who voted on a measure to expand the background check system so that it covers private sales at gun shows and online. Five Democrats voted against the proposal (including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who voted no so he could bring the bill back up later).

In a 54-46 vote, the measure failed to reach the 60 votes needed to move forward in the Senate. Along with the background checks legislation, a ban on assault weapons also went down in defeat.

President Barack Obama said Tuesday in a news conference that he suspected there were Republican members in Congress who vote against their instincts for political purposes.

"Their base thinks that compromise with me is somehow a betrayal. They're worried about primaries. And I understand all that. And we're going to try to do everything we can to create a permission structure for them to be able to do what's going to be best for the country," he said. "But it's going to take some time."

The president and gun control advocates chided lawmakers for failing to pass the proposal, the only one that had a real shot of passing among the slew of gun proposals brought forward in the wake of the elementary school massacre in Newtown, Connecticut.

While Obama, Reid and gun control groups have vowed to keep up the pressure and bring the legislation back for a vote down the road, Toomey expressed doubt that a second vote will happen soon.

"Reid could bring it up for a vote at any time, but we need five people to change their minds," Toomey said.

"It's a pretty heavy lift to get five senators to change their mind on a big issue like this," he added. "It's not likely to happen any time soon. I hope people will reconsider over time."

His comments sounded less enthusiastic compared with those made by Manchin. The senator from West Virginia said Sunday he believes the measure is still alive and together they can persuade enough lawmakers to support it.

"I truly believe if we have time to sell the bill, and people read the bill," it will gain support, Manchin said. "I'm willing to go anywhere in this country, I'm going to debate anybody on this issue, read the bill and you tell me what you don't like."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/01/toomey-on-gun-laws-gop-didnt-want-to-be-seen-helping-obama/comment-page-12/

 

grandma B

grandmab125
by Gold Member on May. 3, 2013 at 11:41 PM
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 I love the way Krauthammer's mind works.

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