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Tamerlan Tsarnaev Burial: No Cemetery Wants To Bury Bomb Suspect, Funeral Home Owner Says

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BOSTON -- A funeral home director was scrambling to find a cemetery that would bury a suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings, ignoring protesters gathered outside his business and saying everybody deserves a dignified burial service no matter the circumstances of his or her death.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, died from "gunshot wounds of torso and extremities" and blunt trauma to his head and torso, said Worcester funeral home owner Peter Stefan, who has Tsarnaev's body and on Friday read details from his death certificate. The certificate lists the time of his death as 1:35 a.m. on April 19, four days after the deadly bombing, Stefan said.

Tsarnaev died after a gunfight with authorities who had launched a massive manhunt for him and his brother, ethnic Chechens from Russia who came to the United States about a decade ago. Police have said he ran out of ammunition before his younger brother dragged his body under a vehicle while fleeing.

Tsarnaev's family was making arrangements Friday for his funeral as investigators searched the woods near a college attended by 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who was captured less than a day after his brother's death.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev's body was released by the state medical examiner Thursday. It initially was taken to a North Attleborough funeral home, where it was greeted by about 20 protesters, before being taken to Stefan's Graham Putnam and Mahoney Funeral Parlors, which is familiar with Muslim services.

"My problem here is trying to find a gravesite. A lot of people don't want to do it. They don't want to be involved with this," said Stefan, who said dozens of protesters gathered outside his funeral home, upset with his decision to handle the service. "I keep bringing up the point of Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh or Ted Bundy. Somebody had to do those, too."

Meanwhile, two U.S. officials said Dzhokhar Tsarnaev told interrogators that he and his brother initially considered setting off their bombs on July Fourth.

Boston police said they planned to review security procedures for the Independence Day Boston Pops concert and fireworks display, which draws a crowd of more than 500,000 annually and is broadcast to a national TV audience. Authorities plan to look at security procedures for large events held in other cities, notably the massive New Year's Eve celebration held each year in New York City's Times Square, Massachusetts state police spokesman David Procopio said.

Gov. Deval Patrick said everything possible will be done to assure a safe event.

As part of the bombing investigation, federal, state and local authorities were searching the woods near the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth campus, where Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was a student. Christina DiIorio-Sterling, a spokeswoman for U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz, could not say what investigators were looking for but said residents should know there is no threat to public safety.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who was found hiding in a tarp-covered boat in a backyard in Watertown, a Boston suburb, faces a charge of using a weapon of mass destruction to kill. Three of his college classmates were arrested Wednesday and accused of helping after the bombing to remove a laptop and backpack from his dormitory room before the FBI searched it.

The April 15 bombing, which used pressure cookers packed with explosives, nails, ball bearings and metal shards, killed three people and injured more than 260 others near the marathon's finish line.

The brothers decided to carry out the attack before Independence Day when they finished assembling the bombs, the surviving suspect told interrogators after he was arrested, according to two U.S. officials briefed on the investigation. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the ongoing investigation.

Investigators believe some of the explosives used in the attack were assembled in Tamerlan Tsarnaev's home, though there may have been some assembly elsewhere, one of the officials said. It does not appear that the brothers ever had big, definitive plans, the official said.

The brothers' mother insists the allegations against them are lies.

Meanwhile, the Department of Homeland Security ordered border agents to immediately begin verifying that every international student who arrives in the U.S. has a valid student visa, according to an internal memorandum obtained Friday by The Associated Press. The new procedure is the government's first security change directly related to the Boston bombings.

The order from a senior official at U.S. Customs and Border Protection, David J. Murphy, was circulated Thursday and came one day after President Barack Obama's administration acknowledged that one of the students accused of hiding evidence, Azamat Tazhayakov, of Kazakhstan, was allowed to return to the U.S. in January without a valid student visa.

Tazhayakov's lawyer has said he had nothing to do with the bombing and was shocked by it.

Associated Press writers Bridget Murphy and Mark Pratt in Boston and Pete Yost, Eileen Sullivan and Alicia A. Caldwell in Washington contributed to this report

by on May. 4, 2013 at 1:48 PM
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stormcris
by Christy on May. 5, 2013 at 10:49 PM
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Yes, I spoke about these things right after my comment you first quoted. 

If we perpetrate this sort of hatred then we are only enabling the same thing that causes such events. It is a lifeless body put it in the ground and be done with it. Just by the very means of the reaction to trying to have him buried we are giving these sort of people power. We are giving them ammunition for their beliefs. We are also giving someone that did harm too much of our country's time and energy.

Quoting mama_l:

?? Full circle??


Quoting stormcris:

And now you have come full circle of everything I have spoken of...going in circles is not helpful. 

Quoting mama_l:

I don't know how to cut the conversation tree so I'll respond here. I'm sorry!



They have cremation and also shipping the terrorist to their parents and family in Russia. Go to another country, perhaps Canada would be more amenable. The ocean, go to international waters and have a ball. There are plenty of options available. They may not be the ideal options but just like life, in death you don't always get what you want.




canadianmom1974
by Gold Member on May. 5, 2013 at 11:01 PM
Not their (the cemetery owner) hate, but the hate of those who would vandalise the grave.

I will say though, I have never had any experience with privately owned cemeteries. Just church or municipally owned.


Quoting mama_l:

Hate isn't holding the cemeteries back. Just like any business you cant forgo your livelihood to do what Christ would do. A cemetery is a business and can't go belly up to appease a single person.




Quoting canadianmom1974:

It's a Catholic cemetery, I don't think the church would let him be buried there. The point I was trying to make though, is that him being there wouldn't make the ground any less sacred. He wouldn't contaminate my moms grave by being next to her.





Like I said though, I understand why people wouldn't want him in their cemetery, I just think that in the end by holding onto hate, people only hurt themselves.






Quoting mama_l:

I don't know how to cut the conversation tree so I'll respond here. I'm sorry!







They have cremation and also shipping the terrorist to their parents and family in Russia. Go to another country, perhaps Canada would be more amenable. The ocean, go to international waters and have a ball. There are plenty of options available. They may not be the ideal options but just like life, in death you don't always get what you want.







ETA. Canadianmom just offered a spot next to her mom. If she were to sell / give that plot to them it would be hard for the cemetery to deny the deed transfer

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LoveMyBoyK
by Ruby Member on May. 5, 2013 at 11:01 PM
And no, the underlying emotion is ANGER. We welcomed his family, funded their lives and schooling, the joined teams in schools So they were not shunned or isolated by this nation. They repaid kindness with death. People are justifiably pissed off.


Quoting canadianmom1974:

Isn't the underlying reason still hate? It may not be hate from the owners of the cemetery, but it's still someone's hate - the hate that would cause someone to vandalise his grave.



I get it, why the owners wouldn't want him there. Why other families wouldn't want him there. But really, at the end of the day, what does it matter? Ship him here, we've got an extra plot by my mom. He can't hurt anyone anymore unless they let him through their actions.




Quoting LoveMyBoyK:

Bullshit. They are indoctrinated in hatred for the West by any means necessary.

Additionally, not ONE person here has said that is is OKAY for anyone to desecrate the grave site of a terrorist but we, and cemetery owners, KNOW that some people will, whether we condone it or not. THAT, not hate, is why they do not want him buried on their grounds. But people like you insist it is HATE driving it, the media picks up on that falsehood, and the terrorists have a nice little show to "prove" to their indoctrinees that America is evil.

The wounds are still fresh from the Boston bombings and it is more than a little ridiculous for the entire nation to be expected to just forgive and move on so soon.



Quoting KreatingMe:

When young people can see examples of American ignorance or hatred, it makes it easier for them to be susceptible to what terrorists are trying to sell them. It's not our fault  but we're not helping ourselves any.

Quoting LoveMyBoyK:

Wow, so terrorists blow up Americans NOT because of religious ideology or political differences but because Americans get pissed off when they blow us up???







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sherry132
by Silver Member on May. 5, 2013 at 11:01 PM
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I don't understand why his family doesn't ship him home where he has sympathizers and all that jazz. Personally, I don't think he should be buried here, or if he is, call the WestBoro church and use their cemetary. 

mama_l
by Member on May. 5, 2013 at 11:03 PM
LMAO! As another said this family has gotten more than their fair share of handouts. If you think the family not feeling welcome to bury a terrorist in our country will cause more terrorism all I can do is laugh my ass off.

There are many many people in our country that encounter similar problems, usually due to money, and are buried in a way that they would not condone / appreciate. It is sad but a very real reality. Why are we only concerned with this one being? What about the deacon down the road? The mom with no living family? The people who contributed greatly to this world yet face the same problems? They all found options so will they!


Quoting stormcris:

Yes, I spoke about these things right after my comment you first quoted. 

If we perpetrate this sort of hatred then we are only enabling the same thing that causes such events. It is a lifeless body put it in the ground and be done with it. Just by the very means of the reaction to trying to have him buried we are giving these sort of people power. We are giving them ammunition for their beliefs. We are also giving someone that did harm too much of our country's time and energy.

Quoting mama_l:

?? Full circle??





Quoting stormcris:

And now you have come full circle of everything I have spoken of...going in circles is not helpful. 

Quoting mama_l:

I don't know how to cut the conversation tree so I'll respond here. I'm sorry!





They have cremation and also shipping the terrorist to their parents and family in Russia. Go to another country, perhaps Canada would be more amenable. The ocean, go to international waters and have a ball. There are plenty of options available. They may not be the ideal options but just like life, in death you don't always get what you want.






FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on May. 5, 2013 at 11:10 PM

I can't imagine protesting, meaning........being outside where the body is, any where where the body is.  What is the point?  It would not make me feel better, in any way at all.

Some one does have to tend to the body.  

Glad to hear things are being looked in to and such, in regards to those coming in the country on expired visas and such.

Now, off to read the thread.  I have a feeling it will be a little more than an interesting read.

FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on May. 5, 2013 at 11:14 PM


Quoting KreatingMe:

We have a serious freaking problem in our country, with our people, if there would streams of traffic entering a cemetery with people jumping at the chance to desecrate Tamerlan's grave! Do you really believe there are that many people who would carry out such deplorable actions? 

Quoting mama_l:

As a manager of a cemetery, I completely understand the concern and agree with not allowing the burial. Not only would you have to up security and constantly be filing insurance claims / police reports, paying for the desecration / increase traffic that would occur but you would lose loads of business. Who wants to be buried in the same land a terrorist was buried?


I agree.  It speaks to the lack of character of those who would do such a thing.

Not sure why he is not cremated.  I have no idea if that goes against any religious aspect.  While I hate the thought of cremation, it is an option that would save fools from acting as such, and otherwise.

FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on May. 5, 2013 at 11:16 PM

Ah, so being cremated isn't allowed.

Well, send him back to Russia. 

People who would vandalize a grave, any grave, are pretty warped.

stormcris
by Christy on May. 5, 2013 at 11:35 PM

I understand you don't get it but then you apparently are not alone in not understanding how things ripple out. *shrug* Hate will always breed hate.

Quoting mama_l:

LMAO! As another said this family has gotten more than their fair share of handouts. If you think the family not feeling welcome to bury a terrorist in our country will cause more terrorism all I can do is laugh my ass off.

There are many many people in our country that encounter similar problems, usually due to money, and are buried in a way that they would not condone / appreciate. It is sad but a very real reality. Why are we only concerned with this one being? What about the deacon down the road? The mom with no living family? The people who contributed greatly to this world yet face the same problems? They all found options so will they!


Quoting stormcris:

Yes, I spoke about these things right after my comment you first quoted. 

If we perpetrate this sort of hatred then we are only enabling the same thing that causes such events. It is a lifeless body put it in the ground and be done with it. Just by the very means of the reaction to trying to have him buried we are giving these sort of people power. We are giving them ammunition for their beliefs. We are also giving someone that did harm too much of our country's time and energy.

Quoting mama_l:

?? Full circle??





Quoting stormcris:

And now you have come full circle of everything I have spoken of...going in circles is not helpful. 

Quoting mama_l:

I don't know how to cut the conversation tree so I'll respond here. I'm sorry!





They have cremation and also shipping the terrorist to their parents and family in Russia. Go to another country, perhaps Canada would be more amenable. The ocean, go to international waters and have a ball. There are plenty of options available. They may not be the ideal options but just like life, in death you don't always get what you want.







mama_l
by Member on May. 5, 2013 at 11:54 PM
I guess you don't understand that cemeteries are businesses. Hatred has nothing to do with denying this burial and has everything to do with the livelihood of those operating the business. I'm sorry you can't grasp that.


Quoting stormcris:

I understand you don't get it but then you apparently are not alone in not understanding how things ripple out. *shrug* Hate will always breed hate.

Quoting mama_l:

LMAO! As another said this family has gotten more than their fair share of handouts. If you think the family not feeling welcome to bury a terrorist in our country will cause more terrorism all I can do is laugh my ass off.



There are many many people in our country that encounter similar problems, usually due to money, and are buried in a way that they would not condone / appreciate. It is sad but a very real reality. Why are we only concerned with this one being? What about the deacon down the road? The mom with no living family? The people who contributed greatly to this world yet face the same problems? They all found options so will they!





Quoting stormcris:

Yes, I spoke about these things right after my comment you first quoted. 

If we perpetrate this sort of hatred then we are only enabling the same thing that causes such events. It is a lifeless body put it in the ground and be done with it. Just by the very means of the reaction to trying to have him buried we are giving these sort of people power. We are giving them ammunition for their beliefs. We are also giving someone that did harm too much of our country's time and energy.

Quoting mama_l:

?? Full circle??








Quoting stormcris:

And now you have come full circle of everything I have spoken of...going in circles is not helpful. 

Quoting mama_l:

I don't know how to cut the conversation tree so I'll respond here. I'm sorry!







They have cremation and also shipping the terrorist to their parents and family in Russia. Go to another country, perhaps Canada would be more amenable. The ocean, go to international waters and have a ball. There are plenty of options available. They may not be the ideal options but just like life, in death you don't always get what you want.










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