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Was "Allah" the Biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during PRE-ISLAMIC times?

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 The Archaeology of the Middle East

The religion of Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." The Muslims claim that Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets, and apostles. The issue is thus one of continuity. Was "Allah" the biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during pre-Islamic times? The Muslim's claim of continuity is essential to their attempt to convert Jews and Christians for if "Allah" is part of the flow of divine revelation in Scripture, then it is the next step in biblical religion. Thus we should all become Muslims. But, on the other hand, if Allah was a pre-Islamic pagan deity, then its core claim is refuted. Religious claims often fall before the results of hard sciences such as archeology. We can endlessly speculate about the past or go and dig it up and see what the evidence reveals. This is the only way to find out the truth concerning the origins of Allah. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god who was married to the sun goddess and the stars were his daughters.




Archaeologists have uncovered temples to the Moon-god throughout the Middle East. From the mountains of Turkey to the banks of the Nile, the most wide-spread religion of the ancient world was the worship of the Moon-god. In the first literate civilization, the Sumerians have left us thousands of clay tablets in which they described their religious beliefs. As demonstrated by Sjoberg and Hall, the ancient Sumerians worshipped a Moon-god who was called many different names. The most popular names were Nanna, Suen and Asimbabbar. His symbol was the crescent moon. Given the amount of artifacts concerning the worship of this Moon-god, it is clear that this was the dominant religion in Sumeria. The cult of the Moon-god was the most popular religion throughout ancient Mesopotamia. The Assyrians, Babylonians, and the Akkadians took the word Suen and transformed it into the word Sin as their favorite name for the Moon-God. As Prof. Potts pointed out, "Sin is a name essentially Sumerian in origin which had been borrowed by the Semites. "

In ancient Syria and Canna, the Moon-god Sin was usually represented by the moon in its crescent phase. At times the full moon was placed inside the crescent moon to emphasize all the phases of the moon. The sun-goddess was the wife of Sin and the stars were their daughters. For example, Istar was a daughter of Sin. Sacrifices to the Moon-god are described in the Pas Shamra texts. In the Ugaritic texts, the Moon-god was sometimes called Kusuh. In Persia, as well as in Egypt, the Moon-god is depicted on wall murals and on the heads of statues. He was the Judge of men and gods. The Old Testament constantly rebuked the worship of the Moon-god (see: Deut. 4:19;17:3; II Kngs. 21:3,5; 23:5; Jer. 8:2; 19:13; Zeph. 1:5, etc.) When Israel fell into idolatry, it was usually the cult of the Moon-god. As a matter of fact, everywhere in the ancient world, the symbol of the crescent moon can be found on seal impressions, steles, pottery, amulets, clay tablets, cylinders, weights, earrings, necklaces, wall murals, etc. In Tell-el-Obeid, a copper calf was found with a crescent moon on its forehead. An idol with the body of a bull and the head of man has a crescent moon inlaid on its forehead with shells. In Ur, the Stela of Ur-Nammu has the crescent symbol placed at the top of the register of gods because the Moon-god was the head of the gods. Even bread was baked in the form of a crescent as an act of devotion to the Moon-god. The Ur of the Chaldees was so devoted to the Moon-god that it was sometimes called Nannar in tablets from that time period.

A temple of the Moon-god has been excavated in Ur by Sir Leonard Woolley. He dug up many examples of moon worship in Ur and these are displayed in the British Museum to this day. Harran was likewise noted for its devotion to the Moon-god. In the 1950's a major temple to the Moon-god was excavated at Hazer in Palestine. Two idols of the moon god were found. Each was a stature of a man sitting upon a throne with a crescent moon carved on his chest. The accompanying inscriptions make it clear that these were idols of the Moon-god. Several smaller statues were also found which were identified by their inscriptions as the "daughters" of the Moon-god. What about Arabia? As pointed out by Prof. Coon, "Muslims are notoriously loath to preserve traditions of earlier paganism and like to garble what pre-Islamic history they permit to survive in anachronistic terms."

During the nineteenth century, Amaud, Halevy and Glaser went to Southern Arabia and dug up thousands of Sabean, Minaean, and Qatabanian inscriptions which were subsequently translated. In the 1940's, the archeologists G. Caton Thompson and Carleton S. Coon made some amazing discoveries in Arabia. During the 1950's, Wendell Phillips, W.F. Albright, Richard Bower and others excavated sites at Qataban, Timna, and Marib (the ancient capital of Sheba). Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in Northern Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered. The three daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat are sometimes depicted together with Allah the Moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them. The archeological evidence demonstrates that the dominant religion of Arabia was the cult of the Moon-god.

In Old Testament times, Nabonidus (555-539 BC), the last king of Babylon, built Tayma, Arabia as a center of Moon-god worship. Segall stated, "South Arabia's stellar religion has always been dominated by the Moon-god in various variations." Many scholars have also noticed that the Moon-god's name "Sin" is a part of such Arabic words as "Sinai," the "wilderness of Sin," etc. When the popularity of the Moon-god waned elsewhere, the Arabs remained true to their conviction that the Moon-god was the greatest of all gods. While they worshipped 360 gods at the Kabah in Mecca, the Moon-god was the chief deity. Mecca was in fact built as a shrine for the Moon-god.

This is what made it the most sacred site of Arabian paganism. In 1944, G. Caton Thompson revealed in her book, The Tombs and Moon Temple of Hureidha, that she had uncovered a temple of the Moon-god in southern Arabia. The symbols of the crescent moon and no less than twenty-one inscriptions with the name Sin were found in this temple. An idol which may be the Moon-god himself was also discovered. This was later confirmed by other well-known archeologists.

The evidence reveals that the temple of the Moon-god was active even in the Christian era. Evidence gathered from both North and South Arabia demonstrate that Moon-god worship was clearly active even in Muhammad's day and was still the dominant cult. According to numerous inscriptions, while the name of the Moon-god was Sin, his title was al-ilah, i.e. "the deity," meaning that he was the chief or high god among the gods. As Coon pointed out, "The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God." The Moon-god was called al- ilah, i.e. the god, which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad's father and uncle had Allah as part of their names.

The fact that they were given such names by their pagan parents proves that Allah was the title for the Moon-god even in Muhammad's day. Prof. Coon goes on to say, "Similarly, under Mohammed's tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah, became Al-Ilah, The God, or Allah, the Supreme Being."

This fact answers the questions, "Why is Allah never defined in the Qur'an? Why did Muhammad assume that the pagan Arabs already knew who Allah was?" Muhammad was raised in the religion of the Moon-god Allah. But he went one step further than his fellow pagan Arabs. While they believed that Allah, i.e. the Moon-god, was the greatest of all gods and the supreme deity in a pantheon of deities, Muhammad decided that Allah was not only the greatest god but the only god.

In effect he said, "Look, you already believe that the Moon-god Allah is the greatest of all gods. All I want you to do is to accept that the idea that he is the only god. I am not taking away the Allah you already worship. I am only taking away his wife and his daughters and all the other gods." This is seen from the fact that the first point of the Muslim creed is not, "Allah is great" but "Allah is the greatest," i.e., he is the greatest among the gods. Why would Muhammad say that Allah is the "greatest" except in a polytheistic context? The Arabic word is used to contrast the greater from the lesser. That this is true is seen from the fact that the pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped. This "Allah" was the Moon-god according to the archeological evidence. Muhammad thus attempted to have it both ways. To the pagans, he said that he still believed in the Moon-god Allah. To the Jews and the Christians, he said that Allah was their God too. But both the Jews and the Christians knew better and that is why they rejected his god Allah as a false god.

Al-Kindi, one of the early Christian apologists against Islam, pointed out that Islam and its god Allah did not come from the Bible but from the paganism of the Sabeans. They did not worship the God of the Bible but the Moon-god and his daughters al-Uzza, al-Lat and Manat. Dr. Newman concludes his study of the early Christian-Muslim debates by stating, "Islam proved itself to be...a separate and antagonistic religion which had sprung up from idolatry." Islamic scholar Caesar Farah concluded "There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews." The Arabs worshipped the Moon-god as a supreme deity. But this was not biblical monotheism. While the Moon-god was greater than all other gods and goddesses, this was still a polytheistic pantheon of deities. Now that we have the actual idols of the Moon-god, it is no longer possible to avoid the fact that Allah was a pagan god in pre-Islamic times. Is it any wonder then that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon? That a crescent moon sits on top of their mosques and minarets? That a crescent moon is found on the flags of Islamic nations? That the Muslims fast during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky?

CONCLUSION

The pagan Arabs worshipped the Moon-god Allah by praying toward Mecca several times a day; making a pilgrimage to Mecca; running around the temple of the Moon-god called the Kabah; kissing the black stone; killing an animal in sacrifice to the Moon-god; throwing stones at the devil; fasting for the month which begins and ends with the crescent moon; giving alms to the poor, etc.,

The Muslim's claim that Allah is the God of the Bible and that Islam arose from the religion of the prophets and apostles is refuted by solid, overwhelming archeological evidence. Islam is nothing more than a revival of the ancient Moon-god cult. It has taken the symbols, the rites, the ceremonies, and even the name of its god from the ancient pagan religion of the Moon-god. As such, it is sheer idolatry and must be rejected by all those who follow the Torah and Gospel.

The religion of ancient Israel was based on revelation; the Old Testament says that God appeared in diverse places and spoke to the Patriarchs; there they raised altars of undressed stones, called Beth-el—or House of God. Man's sensual imagination soon led him "to collect his gods in the dust and fashion them as he pleased," imagining that God resided in these Stones. Thus it became Beth-aven or House of Vanity. Beth-el abounded in Chaldea, Asia, Egypt, Africa, Greece, in remote parts of Europe, among the Druids, Gauls, and Celto-Scythians, and in North and South America.

In the Hebrew language, stones fallen from the sky are called Bethel (Heb. "House of God"). After dreaming of a ladder reaching to heaven, Jacob called his stone pillow a Bethel-stone (Genesis 28:10-22).

"The Pagans imitated the Beth-el of Jacob and consecrated them with oil and blood, making them gods, calling them Betyles (betylus, baetyl, betyles). In classical antiquity a stone, either natural or artificially shaped, venerated as of divine origin, or as a symbol of divinity. There were a number of these sacred stones in Greece, the most famous being on the omphalos at Delphi. Likewise there were the so-called animated or oracular stones. "Strabo, Pliny, Helancius (Hellanicus) or Beth-al-Jupiter, Cybele, Venus, Mithras). The greater part of the natural Betyles were the black meteorites or fire-balls fallen from the heavens and regarded by the Sabeists as heavenly divinities. These meteorites were the Cabiri, and the Pelasgi—whose most noted worshippers were wandering or dispersed men" (The Trail of the Serpent, by Inquire Within, Boswell Publishing Co., Limited, London (1936) p. 10).

Meteorites-cults are common in Greco-Roman civilizations. According to the religious historian Mircea Eliade, the Temple of Artemis (Diana) at Ephesus contained a squat statue of the mother-goddess, carved from a meteorite that fell from Jupiter (Acts 19:26-35). The Palladium of Troy and the conic black stone or (Baetyl) of Elagabal in Emesa, Syria, are believed to be of meteoric origin. Likewise, the Phrygian mother goddess Cybele worshipped in Pessinus (later Rome) was a stone; doubtless a meteorite. A further example is the meteorite of Pessinunt in Phrygia, which was worshipped as "the needle of Cybele," brought to Rome in a powerful procession after the Punic war on advice from the Delphic oracle; there the meteorite was worshipped as a fertility goddess for further 500 years.

Hadschar al Aswad"The most famous of all of the stone fetishes of Arabia was, of course, the black stone in the sanctuary of Mecca. The Kabah was, and still is, a rectangular stone structure. Built into its Eastern corner is the black stone which had been an object of worship for many centuries before Mohammed appropriated the Kabah for his new religion, and made the pilgrimage to this holy place one of the pillars of Islam" (Mohammed: The man and his faith, Tor Andrae, 1936, Translated by Theophil Menzel, 1960, p. 13-30; Britannica, Arabian Religions, p. 1059, 1979). The "Hadschar al Aswad" in the Kabah is the most well known example of meteorite worship in newer times. Despite the prohibition of portraying God and adoration of objects, pilgrims to Mecca kiss this "Hadschar al Aswad" (black stone) which, according to the prophet is "Yamin Allah" (the right hand of God), supposedly a divine meteorite or Bethel-stone predating creation that fell at the feet of Adam and Eve. It is presently embedded in the southeastern corner of the Kabah. Muslims touch and kiss the black stone during Hajj. moongod.htm

by on May. 17, 2013 at 6:18 PM
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toomanypoodles
by Ruby Member on May. 21, 2013 at 12:18 AM

 

Quoting ReginaStar:


Quoting toomanypoodles:

 

Quoting JP-StrongForTwo:

Allah is the god of Abraham. Allah means God when translated from arabic to english. Alllah is the god of noah, moses, and Jesus. 

They are the same god. 

Of course, that is MY belief .

 Again...you are wrong.  lol

But...that's my belief. 

My Christian belief teaches God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit---a three in One Godhead.  Jesus is God.  Muslims do not believe their god, Allah, is three fold, a trinity, so the Christian God and the Muslim's Allah are not the same. 

I'm a Christian and I've never believed in the trinity. We don't all believe the same thing. 

 Hmm, interesting. 

Someone else just said their church didn't believe that either, but when I went to the church's website it IS in their statement of faith. 

Check your church's Statement of Faith...you may just be unaware, because that's what a CHRISTian church is all about---the belief that Jesus is God. 

ReginaStar
by Gold Member on May. 21, 2013 at 6:46 AM


Quoting toomanypoodles:

 

Quoting ReginaStar:


Quoting toomanypoodles:

 

Quoting JP-StrongForTwo:

Allah is the god of Abraham. Allah means God when translated from arabic to english. Alllah is the god of noah, moses, and Jesus. 

They are the same god. 

Of course, that is MY belief .

 Again...you are wrong.  lol

But...that's my belief. 

My Christian belief teaches God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit---a three in One Godhead.  Jesus is God.  Muslims do not believe their god, Allah, is three fold, a trinity, so the Christian God and the Muslim's Allah are not the same. 

I'm a Christian and I've never believed in the trinity. We don't all believe the same thing. 

 Hmm, interesting. 

Someone else just said their church didn't believe that either, but when I went to the church's website it IS in their statement of faith. 

Check your church's Statement of Faith...you may just be unaware, because that's what a CHRISTian church is all about---the belief that Jesus is God. 

I said nothing of a church. I said MY belief. However my in laws Christian religion does not believe in the Trinity. 

Modern nontrinitarian groups or denominations include Unitarian Universalist Christians, Bible Students, Christadelphians, Christian Scientists, Iglesia ni Cristo, Jehovah's Witnesses, some groups in the Latter Day Saint movement, Oneness Pentecostals, and the United Church of God.





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sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on May. 21, 2013 at 7:13 AM
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God

Just because someone wrote a book about a mass murdering, filthy being that dictates rape victims to marry their attackers and parents can murder their children

Doesn't means he's real


Quoting Farmlady09:

With no real offense meant, even though it is by nature offensive just to say it, I don't believe Allah is anything more than an excuse for violence. Just because Mohammed wrote a book about him doesn't make him real, and it certainly doesn't make him one and the same as the Christian God.


Whether or not Allah is some revisionist form of the moon god doesn't really matter to me ... but it makes more sense than lumping him in with the two Abrahamic religions because some bored shepherd said so. In any case, as a Christian, he gets nothing from me.

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Hecate9
by Member on May. 21, 2013 at 7:23 AM
I've heard of the moon goddess, Allat...and the black stone belonged to her. Yes, pre-Islam, they were goddess worshippers...Allah would've probably been considered a minor god if anything. There was a trio of goddesses that had more followers than any other in that time and place. Not everywhere was a patriarchy.
romalove
by Roma on May. 21, 2013 at 7:41 AM


Quoting Hecate9:

I've heard of the moon goddess, Allat...and the black stone belonged to her. Yes, pre-Islam, they were goddess worshippers...Allah would've probably been considered a minor god if anything. There was a trio of goddesses that had more followers than any other in that time and place. Not everywhere was a patriarchy.

Welcome to the group!  :-)

cammibear
by Gold Member on May. 21, 2013 at 1:37 PM
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Does it shock you to know that much of Israel today is very secular with some Jews even claiming to be atheists?

No, I'm no expert, but I do know some things. I do not know why it offends so much to try to find out where someone is coming from when they make comments that are hard to understand.

There is a huge difference between the teachings of Jesus, who claimed to be God, and Mohammed, who claimed to be a prophet. Many Jews accepted Jesus as their prophesied Messiah. The early church was wholly made up of Jews. Jesus disciples were Jews. Jesus never implied in his teachings that God was through with Israel or that the church somehow replaced Israel. Paul, who was the only Gentile apostle, makes it very clear in Romans that God is a covenant keeping/promise keeping God, and that He isn't finished with Israel. The fact that Israel exists today after its destruction in 70AD and the scattering of Jews all over the world is testimony to that.

Mohammed claimed to be a prophet, and the Jews of his day did not accept him. Much of the anti-Semitism Jews experience today stem from Islamic teachings of Mohammed. Unfortunately, some of the church has bought into the Palestine liberation movement. For anyone to say today that God and Allah are the same God, they would be saying that God is a liar, and has broken His own Covenant with Israel. That alone should show you they are not the same.

I'm not really understanding what you mean by "his leadership of God" and how it ties to Moses. Mohammed used the wilderness experience to justify his idea that God was through with the Jews. Only thing is that God dealt with those who had unbelief. He didn't allow them to enter the Promised Land. Mohammed used it as a justification for killing Jews.




Quoting tweety101149:

 Excuse me, you are an expert on Jews?  You know for a fact Jews don't know their G-d?  How presumptious of you.  An unobservant Jew does not necessarily mean he (or she) does not know their    G-d.  We can know the laws, believe in G-d, know of Abraham, Isaac, Moses, Aaron, Josuah, David, Solomon, Saul, etc.  Do you as a Christian follow all of the laws.?   Just because people did not follow Mohammed does not mean he and his followers did not disregard G-d's laws.  They had a different interpretation of it or saw a different view.., just like people choose to follow Jesus, and his views. Yet you say he is man or son of G-d.  Why so critical of Mohammed?  Is his leadership of G-d so different than Moses?




Quoting cammibear:

Do you know the Jews did not accept Mohammed's claims? Allah does not have the same attributes as Yahweh. In fact He contradicts Yahweh.

Just curious, because many Jews are not believers today. They don't know their God. Are you a follower of the Law and do you believe in the God of Abraham and the prophets?



Quoting Bookwormy:

For Allah to have to be the same as Yahweh, he would have to *not* be a triune god. Yahweh is *not* a triune god. He is G-d. Read the Shema! "Hear oh Isael, the Lord, our G-d, (Yahweh,) the Lord is One.". Allah & Yahweh are One. The triune god is *not* Yahweh.





Quoting cammibear:

Yes, that's exactly what Islam does.


Their argument is that God's Word has been corrupted, when from my point of view, they are the ones corrupting God's Word.





Muslim Imans have been challenged to prove that the Word was corrupted. They (of course) have never been able to prove their claims. On the other hand, we know how seriously the scribes took their task of meticulously copying scripture.







Quoting futureshock:




Quoting cammibear:

For Allah to be the same as Yahweh, he would have to have the same attributes. He doesn't. He would have to be a triune God. He isn't. They aren't the same, no matter how hard both Muslims and some Christians try to reconcile the two.







Yes, Mohammed claimed they were the same, but the Jews never accepted those claims.

Good point.  Also, if the two were the same God why invent Islam?  Why not become Jewish?  Wouldn't inventing Islam be like reinventing the wheel since "God/Allah" already had the Jewish religion going?







 


muslimah
by on May. 22, 2013 at 10:38 AM

 

Quoting Hecate9:

I've heard of the moon goddess, Allat...and the black stone belonged to her. Yes, pre-Islam, they were goddess worshippers...Allah would've probably been considered a minor god if anything. There was a trio of goddesses that had more followers than any other in that time and place. Not everywhere was a patriarchy.

 The moon goddess or god or whatever you want to call it is a myth. Allah has never ever been a moon God. Allah is Arabic translation for God, the God of Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Joseph, the mother Marry, Jesus, etc. Even the Christian Arabs use the name Allah. The Arab translation of the Bible usu es the name, Allah.

That black stone was put there in the Kabba in Mecca Saudi by Abraham. it was not put there as a god or anything to be worshopped.

The people of the land had lost their religion, the religion of Abraham. They are called the jahiliyyah. They were Pagans and took over the land. The stole the Kaaba and filled it over 300 false gods.

Some still felt true to the teachings that had been passed down to the of the belief in one God (the God of Abraham). These people mostly lived in hiding to avoid the prosecution of the jahiliyyah. Mohammed was chosen by Allah through the Angel Gabriel to bring the original religion of the faith in God out into the open. The more he preached and taught the followers he gained. This lead to many persecutions.

The Muslims left Mecca for their safty and went to Madina Saudi. This where the battles began. The Muslims trained and formed an army and to make a long story short they went back to claim what what was originally theirs put there by Abraham. Finally through battle the Muslims won.

Mohammed went to the Kaaba ans smashed and destroyed the over 300 Gods.  The Pagans , the jahiliyya was dumbfounded as their army out numbered the Muslims by the thousands. They were convinced that Allah no doubt was with the Muslims and gave them the strength to win the battle. After witnessing this miracle many, many jahiliayya by their own free will gave up their Pagan ways and joined the Muslims.

tweety101149
by Platinum Member on May. 23, 2013 at 5:31 PM

 Sorry, needed to cut down the tree.   It does not shock me that man in Israel are secular, I am secular or non observant.,  it is no more shocking than to find non-observant of any religion or "secular".  And to be perfectly clear one cannot of any religion and atheist.

Highlighted in red, by definition, one cannot be Jewish and accept Jesus and prolphesied Messiah.  No ever said Jesus teachings implied or taught G-d was through with Israel or that the church replaced Israel. Though some of the moms on this site have said or implied that the new convenent of Jesus replaced thet OT laws.  Again, if one is Jewish, they still followed OT, and it's laws, people that followed Jesus many of them have stated many times in many debates that the OT was no longer valid or followed because the NT made it outdated. 

Mohammed, like Jesus, added and subtracted some of the laws of torah, which is why Jews denied both as prophets,  The laws of Torah cannot be changed. Both changed the Torah Laws. 

 G-d is not finished with any of us yet.  If He was, it would be the end of times.  So I have no idea why you would even state that. G-d isn't through with the Jews yet,  it doesn't make sense.  I have no Idea where you got your information from about Mohammed the Qu'ran and the Jews.  There were agreements between "Israel" and Arabs/Mohammed according to what I have read..none of it stipulated G-d was through with the Jews.

http://binsalaam.tripod.com/Rejected.htm

Again highlighted in in red,  He did not foresake the children in the desert,  just the generation that defied G-d's laws while waiting for Moses to come down from Mt Sinai.  That generation was wandering 40 more years through the desert.  Only the new generation and Joshuah and Caleb were allowed into the promised land. Israel was their land. Promised to them by G-d.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/moses.html

Quoting cammibear:

Does it shock you to know that much of Israel today is very secular with some Jews even claiming to be atheists?

No, I'm no expert, but I do know some things. I do not know why it offends so much to try to find out where someone is coming from when they make comments that are hard to understand.

There is a huge difference between the teachings of Jesus, who claimed to be God, and Mohammed, who claimed to be a prophet. Many Jews accepted Jesus as their prophesied Messiah. The early church was wholly made up of Jews. Jesus disciples were Jews. Jesus never implied in his teachings that God was through with Israel or that the church somehow replaced Israel. Paul, who was the only Gentile apostle, makes it very clear in Romans that God is a covenant keeping/promise keeping God, and that He isn't finished with Israel. The fact that Israel exists today after its destruction in 70AD and the scattering of Jews all over the world is testimony to that.

Mohammed claimed to be a prophet, and the Jews of his day did not accept him. Much of the anti-Semitism Jews experience today stem from Islamic teachings of Mohammed. Unfortunately, some of the church has bought into the Palestine liberation movement. For anyone to say today that God and Allah are the same God, they would be saying that God is a liar, and has broken His own Covenant with Israel. That alone should show you they are not the same.

I'm not really understanding what you mean by "his leadership of God" and how it ties to Moses. Mohammed used the wilderness experience to justify his idea that God was through with the Jews. Only thing is that God dealt with those who had unbelief. He didn't allow them to enter the Promised Land. Mohammed used it as a justification for killing Jews.




Quoting tweety101149:

 Excuse me, you are an expert on Jews?  You know for a fact Jews don't know their G-d?  How presumptious of you.  An unobservant Jew does not necessarily mean he (or she) does not know their    G-d.  We can know the laws, believe in G-d, know of Abraham, Isaac, Moses, Aaron, Josuah, David, Solomon, Saul, etc.  Do you as a Christian follow all of the laws.?   Just because people did not follow Mohammed does not mean he and his followers did not disregard G-d's laws.  They had a different interpretation of it or saw a different view.., just like people choose to follow Jesus, and his views. Yet you say he is man or son of G-d.  Why so critical of Mohammed?  Is his leadership of G-d so different than Moses?


 


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