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House Committee Passes Bill Banning Abortions at 20 Weeks of Pregnancy

by Steven Ertelt | Washington, DC | LifeNews.com | 6/12/13 1:37 PM

With Republicans supporting it and Democrats opposed, a House committee has passed a bill that would ban abortions nationwide at 20 weeks of pregnancy. 

Much of the debate focused on weaking amendments by Democrats who hoped to gut the bill and allow late-term abortions in cases to protect a woman's health - even though abortions after 20 weeks are not necessary for health reasons and would allow virtually all late-term abortions to remain legal.

The committee passed the bill on a 20-12 vote and the measure now heads to the full House floor where it is expected to receive a debate and vote next week.

Also during the debate, lawmakers turned back efforts by Democrats to add a rape and incest exception to the late-term abortion ban. Rep. Trent Franks, an Arizona Republican who is the bill sponsor, said an unborn baby would be killed regardless of how she was conceived.

"The fundamental opposition here should be predicated on the notion that this child is going into the 6th month of pregnancy," Franks said.

According to Franks, "Knowingly subjecting our innocent unborn children to dismemberment in the womb, particularly when they have developed to the point that they can feel excruciating pain every terrible moment leading up to their undeserved deaths, belies everything America was called to be. This is not who we are."

"Pregnancies from rape that result in abortion after the beginning of the sixth month are very rare. This bill does not address unborn children in earlier gestations. Indeed, the bill does nothing to restrict abortions performed before the beginning of the 6th month," he added. "The real question before us is not whether these unborn children entering their six-month of gestation are capable of feeling pain. The real question is, are we?"

Last week, the House Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution and Civil Justice voted on a party-line vote 6-4 for the bill, with Republicans supporting the ban on late-term abortions and Democrats opposing it.

During the hearing, former abortion practitioner Anthony Levatino told members of the committee the gruesome details of his former abortion practice and how he became pro-life following the tragic automobile accident of his child.

Another bombshell dropped during the hearing came from Dr. Maureen Condic, who is Associate Professor of Neurobiology and Adjunct Professor of Pediatrics at the University of Utah School of Medicine. She testified that the unborn child is capable of reacting to pain as early as 8-10 weeks. This is when most abortions in America take place.

The committee also saw graphic pictures of babies who were killed by Douglas Karpen, who is considered the second Kermit Gosnell.

After the subcommittee vote for the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act (H.R. 1797), Franks told LifeNews: "I understand the unfortunate reality that today's markup will be surrounded by some degree of controversy. But we, as a nation, find ourselves at a point at which we don't offer unborn children even the most basic protections - even protections we extend to animals and property."

Franks added: "The trial of Kermit Gosnell exposed late abortions for what they really are: relocated infanticide. I pray we use this as a ‘teachable moment,' in the words of President Obama, and can agree that, at the very least, we are better than dismembering babies who can feel every excruciating moment. I look forward to the bill's moving on the full Judiciary Committee and to an eventual vote on this necessary, common-sense measure."

Congressman Franks believes the national abortion ban is timely in light of the conviction of abortionist Kermit Gosnell and news reports of potentially similar gruesome late abortion practitioners around the country.

"I know when the subject is related in any way to abortion, the doors of reason and human compassion in our minds and hearts often close, and the humanity of the unborn can no longer be seen. But I pray we can at least come together to agree that we can and should draw the line at the point that these innocent babies can feel the excruciating pain of these brutal procedures," he said.

Franks added:  "The case of Kermit Gosnell shocked the sensibilities of millions of Americans. However, the crushing fact is that abortions on babies just like the ones killed by Kermit Gosnell have been happening hundreds of times per day, every single day, for the past 40 years. Indeed, let us not forget that, had Kermit Gosnell dismembered these babies before they had traveled down the birth canal only moments earlier, he would have, in many places nationwide, been performing an entirely legal procedure. If America truly understands that horrifying reality, hearts and laws will change."

"To this end, I have re-introduced the D.C. Pain Capable Unborn Protection Act, which will now be amended to broaden its coverage so that its provisions will apply nationwide," he said. "Knowingly subjecting our innocent unborn children to dismemberment in the womb, particularly when they have developed to the point that they can feel excruciating pain every terrible moment leading up to their undeserved deaths, belies everything America was called to be. This is not who we are."

The move to expand the bill to ban abortions after 20 weeks nationwide has the strong support of the National Right to Life Committee.

"National Right to Life strongly concurs in Congressman Franks' decision that the time is ripe to seek protection for pain-capable unborn children nationwide," said NRLC Legislative Director Douglas Johnson. "Because of publicity surrounding the trial of Kermit Gosnell and subsequent revelations about other abortionists, many Americans are becoming aware for the first time that abortions are frequently performed late in pregnancy on babies who are capable of being born alive, and on babies who will experience great pain while being killed."

Johnson says that in a nationwide poll of 1,003 registered voters in March, The Polling Company found that 64% would support a law such as the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act prohibiting abortion after 20 weeks - when an unborn baby

Johnson added that the federal bill contains legislative findings and operative language very similar to bills already enacted in nine states, beginning in 2010, based on model legislation prepared by NRLC. Like those state laws, Mr. Franks' legislation contains findings of fact regarding the medical evidence that unborn children experience pain at least by 20 weeks after fertilization (which is 22 weeks in the "LMP" system, or about the start of the sixth month), and prohibits abortion after that point, except when an acute physical condition endangers the life of the mother.

During the 2011-12 Congress, Mr. Franks' bill garnered 222 co-sponsors in the 435-member House, and received the support of a majority of House members on July 31, 2012 (roll call no. 539).

The science behind the concept of fetal pain is fully established and Dr. Steven Zielinski, an internal medicine physician from Oregon, is one of the leading researchers into it. He first published reports in the 1980s to validate research showing evidence for it.

He has testified before Congress that an unborn child could feel pain at "eight-and-a-half weeks and possibly earlier" and that a baby before birth "under the right circumstances, is capable of crying."

He and his colleagues Dr. Vincent J. Collins and Thomas J. Marzen  were the top researchers to point to fetal pain decades ago. Collins, before his death, was Professor of Anesthesiology at Northwestern University and the University of Illinois and author of Principles of Anesthesiology, one of the leading medical texts on the control of pain.

"The functioning neurological structures necessary to suffer pain are developed early in a child's development in the womb," they wrote.

"Functioning neurological structures necessary for pain sensation are in place as early as 8 weeks, but certainly by 13 1/2 weeks of gestation. Sensory nerves, including nociceptors, reach the skin of the fetus before the 9th week of gestation. The first detectable brain activity occurs in the thalamus between the 8th and 10th weeks. The movement of electrical impulses through the neural fibers and spinal column takes place between 8 and 9 weeks gestation. By 13 1/2 weeks, the entire sensory nervous system functions as a whole in all parts of the body," they continued.

With Zielinski and his colleagues the first to provide the scientific basis for the concept of fetal pain, Dr. Kanwaljeet Anand of the University of Arkansas Medical Center has provided further research to substantiate their work.

"The neural pathways are present for pain to be experienced quite early by unborn babies," explains Steven Calvin, M.D., perinatologist, chair of the Program in Human Rights Medicine, University of Minnesota, where he teaches obstetrics.

Further documentation and links to the scientific studies can be found at: http://www.doctorsonfetalpain.com/.

 

 

Thoughts??

by on Jun. 13, 2013 at 10:12 AM
Replies (221-227):
lizzy_ellie
by Member on Jun. 17, 2013 at 10:03 AM

If abortion is illegal somewhere, it's for a good reason. It's the woman choice to get an illegal abortion, it isn't there only option.. i'm sure in some cases they feel that way but ultimately their is adoption. And I was raised catholic and in my crisis pregnancy I chose to have her. If a christian is having an abortion (while knowing what they are fully doing) then she isn't a christian! It's that simple.


Quoting A-nony-mous:

Also more to point out...there's something called 'Best Practice' which is where you're supposed to look around you at what other people and other countries have done and basically not be a dumbass and repeat their mistakes. You're supposed to take what works, not what failed.

China banned abortion in the 1950s to encourage 'population growth'. Well, it worked. Now it's the most overpopulated place on the planet. They finally realized this and made it legal again in the 1970s.

India banned abortion from 1860 - 1971. Thousands of women died seeking illegal abortions and they legalized it again 1971. 

Romania banned abortion in 1966 and over 9,000 women died as a result of seeking out illegal abortions. As a side effect, thousands of children of those 9000 women were put into orphanages which is why Romanian orphanages are some of the worst in the world. It finally realized the mistake and crisis and legalized abortion again in 1989.

Thailand had abortion illegal until 2006 but only in extreme cases. As a result over 300,000 women a year seek illegal abortions and many die. 

In the USA before legalization in 1973 estimates of the annual number of illegal abortions in the United States during the 1950s and 1960s range from 200,000 to 1.2 million. Prior to Roe v. Wade, as many as 5,000 American women died annually as a direct result of unsafe abortions

The Guttmachter Institute recently published that there is at least 70,000 deaths from illegal abortions worldwide every year and that is a low estimate since many will never admit that they performed one or had one or that that was the cause of death. 

I also encourage people to read "The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion", a short webpage, which points out that Christians are just as likely to have abortions when actually faced with crisis pregnancies as anyone else. 

So it's not just a problem of lose women, of sluts or the 'uncareful'. Your mother, your sister, your aunt, the woman beside you in church is just as likely to want an abortion when it comes right down to it. And just as likely to have one whether they're legal or not. 

When you look at the evidence logically -- knowing that banning it doesn't decrease numbers, that Christians get just as many abortions, that thousands of women die when it becomes illegal -- how can ANYONE discount Best Practice and be arrogant or ignorant enough to think that things in the US will be different?  


 

jaxTheMomm
by Platinum Member on Jun. 17, 2013 at 10:22 AM

The countries in which abortion is/has been illegal is either for religious reasons, or to increase population size.  Neither of these are "good reasons".

These countries typically have higher rates of child abuse, as well as women being hurt or killed trying to obtain an illegal abortion.  Making it illegal does not stop it.

Adoption does not help a woman who is pregnant and doesn't wish to be.

You cannot force a woman to carry a pregnancy against her will.

What you CAN do is implement programs that help prevent unwanted pregnancies (comprehensive sex ed, free birth control, etc) and programs that makes abortion less of a financial decision (universal health care, child care, etc).

Quoting lizzy_ellie:

If abortion is illegal somewhere, it's for a good reason. It's the woman choice to get an illegal abortion, it isn't there only option.. i'm sure in some cases they feel that way but ultimately their is adoption. And I was raised catholic and in my crisis pregnancy I chose to have her. If a christian is having an abortion (while knowing what they are fully doing) then she isn't a christian! It's that simple.


Quoting A-nony-mous:

Also more to point out...there's something called 'Best Practice' which is where you're supposed to look around you at what other people and other countries have done and basically not be a dumbass and repeat their mistakes. You're supposed to take what works, not what failed.

China banned abortion in the 1950s to encourage 'population growth'. Well, it worked. Now it's the most overpopulated place on the planet. They finally realized this and made it legal again in the 1970s.

India banned abortion from 1860 - 1971. Thousands of women died seeking illegal abortions and they legalized it again 1971. 

Romania banned abortion in 1966 and over 9,000 women died as a result of seeking out illegal abortions. As a side effect, thousands of children of those 9000 women were put into orphanages which is why Romanian orphanages are some of the worst in the world. It finally realized the mistake and crisis and legalized abortion again in 1989.

Thailand had abortion illegal until 2006 but only in extreme cases. As a result over 300,000 women a year seek illegal abortions and many die. 

In the USA before legalization in 1973 estimates of the annual number of illegal abortions in the United States during the 1950s and 1960s range from 200,000 to 1.2 million. Prior to Roe v. Wade, as many as 5,000 American women died annually as a direct result of unsafe abortions

The Guttmachter Institute recently published that there is at least 70,000 deaths from illegal abortions worldwide every year and that is a low estimate since many will never admit that they performed one or had one or that that was the cause of death. 

I also encourage people to read "The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion", a short webpage, which points out that Christians are just as likely to have abortions when actually faced with crisis pregnancies as anyone else. 

So it's not just a problem of lose women, of sluts or the 'uncareful'. Your mother, your sister, your aunt, the woman beside you in church is just as likely to want an abortion when it comes right down to it. And just as likely to have one whether they're legal or not. 

When you look at the evidence logically -- knowing that banning it doesn't decrease numbers, that Christians get just as many abortions, that thousands of women die when it becomes illegal -- how can ANYONE discount Best Practice and be arrogant or ignorant enough to think that things in the US will be different?  





LindaClement
by Thatwoman on Jun. 18, 2013 at 1:10 AM
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I don't understand why this horror show of a human knows what your current name is or has any idea at all what country you live in --much less ever had 4 seconds of access to your child.

Child support isn't enough money to stand in the way of this.

Quoting JP-StrongForTwo:

sucked back into what? Do you think i had a choice somehow? I dont think you are understanding this fully. 

Quoting LindaClement:

I would say, offhand: don't count on it.

He'll be back whenever he feels like it. Apparently, Mr. Narcissic gets to do whatever he wants to, whenever he feels like it. I would expect that to continue, were I you.

And yes, actually: I have a vivid imagination and lots of life experience. I still can't believe you were sucked back into that.

Quoting JP-StrongForTwo:

I have sole physical custody, but at that time he was paying child support and i wasnt allowed to deny him rights to see her. He was married to a girl and had 2 more children and me and his wife both thought he was changing and turning around. me and her are good friends. then he beat the crap out of her :( and then disapeared. he hasnt paid child support, to either of us since.

we were living together when he raped me (almost nightly) and i wasnt able to press charges (long story, basically he kept me under lock and key house arrest, no phone, no internet, couldnt even call the cops. it was the best thing to ever happen to me when he walked out on us) I say rape because he held a gun to my head, and told me if i ever left him he would kill me. I cant describe how scary it is to know a man is holding a gun in his hand while he orgasms. 

thankfully, he is gone, and I will probably never hear from him again. 

Quoting LindaClement:

Okay... just a little confused here:

She's been in contact with the man who raped you?!?

Quoting JP-StrongForTwo:

Im gonna pull the pity card. Just cause i feel like it :P hehe. 

This is Ayla

I was raped when i concieved her. 

Then, I was told that something could be wrong with her. I refused the amnio because she was still too small for it to be safe enough IMO. 

She had a stroke while i still carried her. 

Then she was born at 32 weeks. 

She came out pink and healthy. 

Then we see the neurological damage from the stroke. She is weak on the whole left side of her body. Something that the neurologist said there is no help for. no therapy, no medicine. nothing. 

She is diagnosed with autism, and severe anxiety. 

she has dealt with abuse and seen abuse, from my family, her bio father. 


When i ask her if she is happy with life...

She lights up, smiles so big, and says "IM ALIVE" *quoting some movie or song, she still hasnt told me what* 


So...

I am, and always will be against abortions. 
Because in the opinion of many, my child should have been aborted. Because of my rape, becuase of the stroke, because of the disabilities, because I wasnt old enough (19) because i wasnt ready. so so many things.


But this beautiful girl, would not be here today.


If someone chooses NOT to deal with these things, there is no reason (other than being selfish and self centered) to not carry the child to term, and let someone give him/her a home. Yes our system is too full. Im aware of that. 



There, im done :) just felt like sharing. not trying to be a brat to anyone.  






JP-StrongForTwo
by on Jun. 18, 2013 at 1:20 AM

Well, i dont understand it either. but again, i had no choice. 

He disapeard though. I doubt he knows where i live now. 


Quoting LindaClement:

I don't understand why this horror show of a human knows what your current name is or has any idea at all what country you live in --much less ever had 4 seconds of access to your child.

Child support isn't enough money to stand in the way of this.

Quoting JP-StrongForTwo:

sucked back into what? Do you think i had a choice somehow? I dont think you are understanding this fully. 

Quoting LindaClement:

I would say, offhand: don't count on it.

He'll be back whenever he feels like it. Apparently, Mr. Narcissic gets to do whatever he wants to, whenever he feels like it. I would expect that to continue, were I you.

And yes, actually: I have a vivid imagination and lots of life experience. I still can't believe you were sucked back into that.

Quoting JP-StrongForTwo:

I have sole physical custody, but at that time he was paying child support and i wasnt allowed to deny him rights to see her. He was married to a girl and had 2 more children and me and his wife both thought he was changing and turning around. me and her are good friends. then he beat the crap out of her :( and then disapeared. he hasnt paid child support, to either of us since.

we were living together when he raped me (almost nightly) and i wasnt able to press charges (long story, basically he kept me under lock and key house arrest, no phone, no internet, couldnt even call the cops. it was the best thing to ever happen to me when he walked out on us) I say rape because he held a gun to my head, and told me if i ever left him he would kill me. I cant describe how scary it is to know a man is holding a gun in his hand while he orgasms. 

thankfully, he is gone, and I will probably never hear from him again. 

Quoting LindaClement:

Okay... just a little confused here:

She's been in contact with the man who raped you?!?

Quoting JP-StrongForTwo:

Im gonna pull the pity card. Just cause i feel like it :P hehe. 

This is Ayla

I was raped when i concieved her. 

Then, I was told that something could be wrong with her. I refused the amnio because she was still too small for it to be safe enough IMO. 

She had a stroke while i still carried her. 

Then she was born at 32 weeks. 

She came out pink and healthy. 

Then we see the neurological damage from the stroke. She is weak on the whole left side of her body. Something that the neurologist said there is no help for. no therapy, no medicine. nothing. 

She is diagnosed with autism, and severe anxiety. 

she has dealt with abuse and seen abuse, from my family, her bio father. 


When i ask her if she is happy with life...

She lights up, smiles so big, and says "IM ALIVE" *quoting some movie or song, she still hasnt told me what* 


So...

I am, and always will be against abortions. 
Because in the opinion of many, my child should have been aborted. Because of my rape, becuase of the stroke, because of the disabilities, because I wasnt old enough (19) because i wasnt ready. so so many things.


But this beautiful girl, would not be here today.


If someone chooses NOT to deal with these things, there is no reason (other than being selfish and self centered) to not carry the child to term, and let someone give him/her a home. Yes our system is too full. Im aware of that. 



There, im done :) just felt like sharing. not trying to be a brat to anyone.  







LindaClement
by Thatwoman on Jun. 18, 2013 at 1:23 AM

That's a relief.

Quoting JP-StrongForTwo:

Well, i dont understand it either. but again, i had no choice. 

He disapeard though. I doubt he knows where i live now. 


Quoting LindaClement:

I don't understand why this horror show of a human knows what your current name is or has any idea at all what country you live in --much less ever had 4 seconds of access to your child.

Child support isn't enough money to stand in the way of this.

Quoting JP-StrongForTwo:

sucked back into what? Do you think i had a choice somehow? I dont think you are understanding this fully. 

Quoting LindaClement:

I would say, offhand: don't count on it.

He'll be back whenever he feels like it. Apparently, Mr. Narcissic gets to do whatever he wants to, whenever he feels like it. I would expect that to continue, were I you.

And yes, actually: I have a vivid imagination and lots of life experience. I still can't believe you were sucked back into that.

Quoting JP-StrongForTwo:

I have sole physical custody, but at that time he was paying child support and i wasnt allowed to deny him rights to see her. He was married to a girl and had 2 more children and me and his wife both thought he was changing and turning around. me and her are good friends. then he beat the crap out of her :( and then disapeared. he hasnt paid child support, to either of us since.

we were living together when he raped me (almost nightly) and i wasnt able to press charges (long story, basically he kept me under lock and key house arrest, no phone, no internet, couldnt even call the cops. it was the best thing to ever happen to me when he walked out on us) I say rape because he held a gun to my head, and told me if i ever left him he would kill me. I cant describe how scary it is to know a man is holding a gun in his hand while he orgasms. 

thankfully, he is gone, and I will probably never hear from him again. 

Quoting LindaClement:

Okay... just a little confused here:

She's been in contact with the man who raped you?!?

Quoting JP-StrongForTwo:

Im gonna pull the pity card. Just cause i feel like it :P hehe. 

This is Ayla

I was raped when i concieved her. 

Then, I was told that something could be wrong with her. I refused the amnio because she was still too small for it to be safe enough IMO. 

She had a stroke while i still carried her. 

Then she was born at 32 weeks. 

She came out pink and healthy. 

Then we see the neurological damage from the stroke. She is weak on the whole left side of her body. Something that the neurologist said there is no help for. no therapy, no medicine. nothing. 

She is diagnosed with autism, and severe anxiety. 

she has dealt with abuse and seen abuse, from my family, her bio father. 


When i ask her if she is happy with life...

She lights up, smiles so big, and says "IM ALIVE" *quoting some movie or song, she still hasnt told me what* 


So...

I am, and always will be against abortions. 
Because in the opinion of many, my child should have been aborted. Because of my rape, becuase of the stroke, because of the disabilities, because I wasnt old enough (19) because i wasnt ready. so so many things.


But this beautiful girl, would not be here today.


If someone chooses NOT to deal with these things, there is no reason (other than being selfish and self centered) to not carry the child to term, and let someone give him/her a home. Yes our system is too full. Im aware of that. 



There, im done :) just felt like sharing. not trying to be a brat to anyone.  








JP-StrongForTwo
by on Jun. 18, 2013 at 1:29 AM

well said :) 

Quoting LindaClement:

That's a relief.

Quoting JP-StrongForTwo:

Well, i dont understand it either. but again, i had no choice. 

He disapeard though. I doubt he knows where i live now. 


Quoting LindaClement:

I don't understand why this horror show of a human knows what your current name is or has any idea at all what country you live in --much less ever had 4 seconds of access to your child.

Child support isn't enough money to stand in the way of this.

Quoting JP-StrongForTwo:

sucked back into what? Do you think i had a choice somehow? I dont think you are understanding this fully. 

Quoting LindaClement:

I would say, offhand: don't count on it.

He'll be back whenever he feels like it. Apparently, Mr. Narcissic gets to do whatever he wants to, whenever he feels like it. I would expect that to continue, were I you.

And yes, actually: I have a vivid imagination and lots of life experience. I still can't believe you were sucked back into that.

Quoting JP-StrongForTwo:

I have sole physical custody, but at that time he was paying child support and i wasnt allowed to deny him rights to see her. He was married to a girl and had 2 more children and me and his wife both thought he was changing and turning around. me and her are good friends. then he beat the crap out of her :( and then disapeared. he hasnt paid child support, to either of us since.

we were living together when he raped me (almost nightly) and i wasnt able to press charges (long story, basically he kept me under lock and key house arrest, no phone, no internet, couldnt even call the cops. it was the best thing to ever happen to me when he walked out on us) I say rape because he held a gun to my head, and told me if i ever left him he would kill me. I cant describe how scary it is to know a man is holding a gun in his hand while he orgasms. 

thankfully, he is gone, and I will probably never hear from him again. 

Quoting LindaClement:

Okay... just a little confused here:

She's been in contact with the man who raped you?!?

Quoting JP-StrongForTwo:

Im gonna pull the pity card. Just cause i feel like it :P hehe. 

This is Ayla

I was raped when i concieved her. 

Then, I was told that something could be wrong with her. I refused the amnio because she was still too small for it to be safe enough IMO. 

She had a stroke while i still carried her. 

Then she was born at 32 weeks. 

She came out pink and healthy. 

Then we see the neurological damage from the stroke. She is weak on the whole left side of her body. Something that the neurologist said there is no help for. no therapy, no medicine. nothing. 

She is diagnosed with autism, and severe anxiety. 

she has dealt with abuse and seen abuse, from my family, her bio father. 


When i ask her if she is happy with life...

She lights up, smiles so big, and says "IM ALIVE" *quoting some movie or song, she still hasnt told me what* 


So...

I am, and always will be against abortions. 
Because in the opinion of many, my child should have been aborted. Because of my rape, becuase of the stroke, because of the disabilities, because I wasnt old enough (19) because i wasnt ready. so so many things.


But this beautiful girl, would not be here today.


If someone chooses NOT to deal with these things, there is no reason (other than being selfish and self centered) to not carry the child to term, and let someone give him/her a home. Yes our system is too full. Im aware of that. 



There, im done :) just felt like sharing. not trying to be a brat to anyone.  









A-nony-mous
by Bronze Member on Jun. 18, 2013 at 3:57 PM


Adoption is not the be all and end all to 'curing' abortion. 

1) It does not end the pregnancy if the pregnancy itself is the problem, which for many women it is. Many women simply do not wish or are not able to be pregnant. It has nothing to do with the potential child or raising of the child after birth. It has to do with them not wishing to be pregnant for 10 months.

2) Adoption does not guarantee a good home. I was adopted and I was abused mentally, physically and sexually by my adoptive parents who passed all the checks to adopt children. This happens more than you think. That doesn't even address the 'lesser' issues that essentially all adoptees face; wondering where they came from, dealing with identity issues, potentially dealing with biological parent rejection after reunion. There is a lot of suffering that can be involved with a process. You don't just hand your baby over and everyone lives in flowers and roses and rainbows ever after. 

3) If your child goes into foster care, which many who are given up before a home is chosen, there is an even greater risk of abuse and even death. Thousands of children die in state and provincial foster homes every year in the US and Canada. Thousands more are abused and neglected. We also know that the current system of bouncing kids around from home to home is psychologically crippling. A good portion if not the majority of children who grow up in this system end up incredibly damaged and broken and turn to alcohol and drugs to deal with it. 

4) The adoption system is rife with corruption. Please see my earlier post in this thread. Hundreds of children are quite literally kidnapped by 'Child Services' every year to feed what has become a billion dollar a year industry. 

So please, try to be a bit more considerate and well-researched before you start just saying "ADOPT!" "ADOPTION!" "ADOPTION CURES ALL ABORTIONS!" 

And yes, Christians have abortions and then they go back to preaching and teaching in churches. You may not like it but they are Christians and will continue to identify as Christians for many years if not the rest of their lives. But best believe these were the same people frothing at the mouth about abortion being evil when they didn't need the service. It's easy to discount things when you don't need them. But when you do you want them to be there.


Quoting lizzy_ellie:

If abortion is illegal somewhere, it's for a good reason. It's the woman choice to get an illegal abortion, it isn't there only option.. i'm sure in some cases they feel that way but ultimately their is adoption. And I was raised catholic and in my crisis pregnancy I chose to have her. If a christian is having an abortion (while knowing what they are fully doing) then she isn't a christian! It's that simple.

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